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2 stations heard in New Hampshire

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Hello All, the phenomena known as "ducting" doesn't seize to amaze me... I have 2 accounts of this for you today. The program director of one of my sister stations is unable to get his signal because he is getting interference from 93.3 KIOA in Des Moines, IA at his remote in Chichester, NH and I myself just heard a station in my car radio in Hooksett, NH on 105.9 The Eagle Even heard a "Central Iowa weather break". CRAZY!!!! Anyone else getting stations from afar?!
 
that is pretty good. I have heard one from montana once, coming in the best from the nw side of the dsm metro... Can't remember the frequency though... but strange...
 
I was getting FMs from Lansing and Kalamazoo, MI on the 235 Freeway in West Des Moines last night after 11pm. WVIC and WJXQ were coming in like local stations.
 
Iowa DX

Tropo is loads of fun for radio geeks of all kinds. ;D

Those south of Des Moines (particularly on the hills near St. Charles and Martensdale where you're far enough away to avoid Life 96.1's adjacent channel interference) might wish to try for 96.3 KTTB-Glencoe, MN. It runs an urban format known as "B96", and is an interesting signal for a number of reasons.

First off, it's the Rimshot from Hell -- Glencoe is over 40 miles straight-line west of downtown Minneapolis, and about 50 from downtown St. Paul. Despite serious multipath in downtown St. Paul (especially Capitol Heights and Mounds Park) and even in parts of Minneapolis, the station regularly shows around 3.5 (12+) in the Arbs. Secondly, it's 100kW, but at only 578' HAAT. Thirdly, it's on a frequency that's VERY clear in the area... which causes it to be receivable in a number of spots on I-35, sometimes strongly enough to bring in and hold a stereo pilot. (Under regular conditions, I've heard it as far as Iowa Exit 34 for Osceola. With even moderate tropo, I've logged it at Van Wert, and my all-time record for it is Missouri Exit 110 for Eagleville!) I've often wondered if its low height might actually be an ADVANTAGE for extreme DX of this kind, as the signal peeks through in a number of places one really wouldn't expect -- there are *valleys* around mile 42 where the signal outperforms high areas closer to the 5/65 interchange. Perhaps it's hitting the ground at just the right angle to be detected by a car antenna. In any event, the tropo ought to make B96 an even more likely catch... unless, of course, it's favoring the south, in which case they'll probably be canceled by Keokuk.

In the other direction, KAZR-Pella/Des Moines "Lazer 103.3" is a regular catch in the southern Twin Cities suburbs when tropo's in -- and sometimes when it's not, if you park your car in JUST the right spot in Prior Lake or Lakeville. (The FCC calculator says this signal is one dB BELOW a microvolt at my folks' place in that area... being the nerd I am, I just about fainted when that number popped up. ;D) And when tropo is quite good, the area will also receive 97.7 KCRR-Grundy Center, and Z98 from Sioux City (97.9).

MadSam -- I was also pretty shocked when I first heard that FM signals can also travel the extreme distances we normally expect from nighttime AM. Some of the engineering types on this board might be able to fill out the explanation a little bit better, but here's the basics for ya. :)

Tropospheric ducting ("tropo" for short) happens most often in June and July, when temperature inversions are common. (Ordinarily a warm air mass naturally rises, but it will occasionally be trapped closer to the ground and eclipsed by colder masses.) This leads to the formation of a "duct" that features ideal conditions to trap and repeatedly reflect VHF signals (i.e., signals around the frequency of TV channels 2-6, and FM broadcast.) The signals generally bounce through the duct and come down to your radio at distances of around 300 miles... sometimes further. (Some folks on this board have received signals from 550 miles away via tropo!) Tropo tends to happen first at lower frequencies -- i.e., around TV channel 2 (54 MHz) -- and rise toward the FM band as tropo-causing conditions get more extreme. Thus, the best FM tropos are somewhat more likely on the low end of the band.

The REALLY insane FM travel owes to a phenomenon known as E-skip, in which FM signals somehow get trapped in the "E-layer" of the atmosphere, and refracted (i.e. bent) at bizarre angles that cause them to return to Earth up to 1500 miles away (but typically around 1000). I'm not as familiar with how this process occurs... nor do I know, aside from distance, how to tell a tropo signal from a skip one... perhaps there are some experts reading the forum who could fill us in. :)
 
I used to live in Warren County, and would receive B96 quite a bit. When I first heard it I thought for sure it was B96 from Chicago (WBBM) but then found out it was from Twin Cities, but was still exciting (I later picked up Chicago VHF/FM during tropo).
I have picked up KAZR 95-100 miles SE of Kansas City...that's with KC and St. Louis having stations on that frequency, and that was in the wintertime with no tropo!

My best tropo catch was 97.1 from Dallas, Tx known at that time as "The Eagle"-classic rock, I think that station is Mexican now.
My best e-skips were an FM from Salt Lake City, UT and the audio for Channel 6 TV from Miami, FL heard on 87.7 FM in the car and at the same time receiving FMs from there. I have also received Mexican FMs (from the actual country Mexico) via Eskip.
 
Re: Iowa DX

Grrrradio said:
The REALLY insane FM travel owes to a phenomenon known as E-skip, in which FM signals somehow get trapped in the "E-layer" of the atmosphere, and refracted (i.e. bent) at bizarre angles that cause them to return to Earth up to 1500 miles away (but typically around 1000). I'm not as familiar with how this process occurs... nor do I know, aside from distance, how to tell a tropo signal from a skip one... perhaps there are some experts reading the forum who could fill us in. :)

I've probably had e-skip about 10 days here so far in Peoria, Illinois. Today in the car I had FM stations from Florida, North Carolina and Virginia. Tropo is up as I type this. I'm getting some Nebraska stations.

In your post you said you can get stations UP TO 1500 miles away. There are actually a few people in the WTFDA (Worldwide TV-FM DX Association)--which I'm a member of--who have received stations up to around 2200 miles.

If any of you are interested in DXing...please visit the WTFDA forums. Lots of stuff there...even an audio file of the 2200 mile e-skip catch.

http://www.wtfda.info/

:)

Chris Cervantez
-Peoria, IL
 
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