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2005 KGO All-Stars Broadcast

BossRadioDJ

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With special thanks to Mike Amatori and everyone at KGO, here is the complete "2005 KGO All-Stars Broadcast" from Thursday, November 10, in case you missed it or just want to experience it once more:

http://www.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml

Click on the radio or "On The Air" icons at the top of the page to hear the entire broadcast, or scroll down to the bottom of the page to listen to the hours separately.

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> With special thanks to Mike Amatori and everyone at KGO,
> here is the complete "2005 KGO All-Stars Broadcast" from
> Thursday, November 10, in case you missed it or just want to
> experience it once more:
>
http://ww> w.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml
>
>
> Click on the radio or "On The Air" icons at the top of the
> page to hear the entire broadcast, or scroll down to the
> bottom of the page to listen to the hours separately.
>
> DJ
>


Props all around for doing this. It's apparently caused some friction at KGO --Pete Wilson brought it up in his first hour Monday afternoon, referring to the subject as "rudeness." Bottom line: most of the panelists in last Thursday's debate fell into moments of childish name-calling over the business of whether the president lied about intelligence to sell the Iraq war to the American people. And Wilson faulted his own behavior in the debate.

If you listen to this audio, you hear Wilson saying "there's no proof that Bush lied" and then getting jumped on by the audience and fellow talk host Ray Taliaferro. Taliaferro yelled, "I'm not gonna sit here and allow you lie to the people in this auditorium," at which point, Wilson yelled back, "Ray you lie for five hours every night --lie, lie, lie!"

When you think about KGO, the reputation and success it has in the Bay Area, it was such a stunning moment that I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Listening to it the next day, it still had me laughing --maybe on the one hand because it was funny, and on the other it was so jaw-dropping.

If you haven't heard it, go to the audio and listen to the second hour, about 15 minutes in. I don't bring this up to laugh at the station (I have nothing but the highest respect); it was just one of those broadcast moments and I guess in retrospect, something of an embarrassing one.

In that regard, kudos to Gene Burns and (surprisingly) Bernie Ward for staying above the fray and providing debate points in calm fashion (mostly focusing not on who lied but now that we're there, what's next).

I don't know if this is of much interest to a lot of posters here since many are more preoccupied with music radio, but if nothing else, you have to give KGO credit for having a number of diverse talk show hosts on the air. So many stations are so one-sided in the politics (not counting the syndicated stuff) that an event like this for KSFO, or the KSTE/KFBK talk show hosts in Sacramento would be nothing more than a one-note stroke fest.
 
Re: Dr. Bill Attacks Karel on KGO web site

Thanks to Mike Amatori very much for the recording. What is unfortunate is the continuing on-air story since the debate, especially Dr. Bill attacking Karel on both weekend broadcasts (12th, 13th). Dr. Bill also copied material from Karel's private web site to his employer's web site. I thought this was inappropriate and brought this up on the national board. Another poster responded with very good observations stating that the whole situation will bring ratings for both hosts, but copying messages from place to place is reality nowadays (unfortunately!).

I'll respond to some of what you had to say about the debate:

> Props all around for doing this. It's apparently caused
> some friction at KGO --Pete Wilson brought it up in his
> first hour Monday afternoon, referring to the subject as
> "rudeness." Bottom line: most of the panelists in last
> Thursday's debate fell into moments of childish name-calling
> over the business of whether the president lied about
> intelligence to sell the Iraq war to the American people.
> And Wilson faulted his own behavior in the debate.

= Talliaferro brought up the debate at 107am Monday, esp. referring to Dr. Bill.

> When you think about KGO, the reputation and success it has
> in the Bay Area, it was such a stunning moment that I
> couldn't help but laugh out loud. Listening to it the next
> day, it still had me laughing --maybe on the one hand
> because it was funny, and on the other it was so
> jaw-dropping.

= The Talkers Magazine/Heritage foundation debates and KIRO-710 debates never reach this level.


> If you haven't heard it, go to the audio and listen to the
> second hour, about 15 minutes in. I don't bring this up to
> laugh at the station (I have nothing but the highest
> respect); it was just one of those broadcast moments and I
> guess in retrospect, something of an embarrassing one.

= KGO is my favroite news/talk station and their diversity of viewpoints is mostly unprecedented in the industry.

> In that regard, kudos to Gene Burns and (surprisingly)
> Bernie Ward for staying above the fray and providing debate
> points in calm fashion (mostly focusing not on who lied but
> now that we're there, what's next).

= Indeed. Bernie Ward and Gene Burns remained calm and kept everything in perspective. Perhaps there should be more debates, with just 3-4 of the hosts, perhaps Gene Burns, Bernie Ward, Ronn Owens, and John Rothmann. Did you hear John Rothmann take 3 hours of calls on the debate following it? Listeners clearly enjoyed debates and wanted them every 4-6 months, and in varying formats.

> I don't know if this is of much interest to a lot of posters
> here since many are more preoccupied with music radio, but
> if nothing else, you have to give KGO credit for having a
> number of diverse talk show hosts on the air.

= Absolutely...
 
Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars

> Perhaps there should be more debates, with just 3-4 of the hosts, perhaps Gene Burns, Bernie Ward, Ronn Owens...


Ronn Owens doesn't participate in these events any longer.

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Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars

> > Perhaps there should be more debates, with just 3-4 of the
> hosts, perhaps Gene Burns, Bernie Ward, Ronn Owens...
>
>
> Ronn Owens doesn't participate in these events any longer.
>
> DJ
>
I have to say that the All-star broadcats was some of the best radio I've ever heard. The issues that were discussed, especially Iraq, are very sensitive and emotional issues for many people and is was nice to hear professional talk show hosts hashing it out like regular guys talking politics around the water cooler.

It seems obvious that there is a big rift between the left (Ray Taliafero and Karel) and the big righty (Dr. Bill) at KGO, and it even sounds truly personal. Often talk show hosts will comment about each other's topics and opinions but keep it 'professional'; at the end of the day they'd have a beer together. But in the case of the 'all-stars', I suspect that there's not much love lost between them even in their personal lives. In a way, that's a shame. But it sure makes for some VERY entertaining radio!

By the way, some of my freinds that heard this show though Ed Baxter didn't moderate very well. I think the opposite; I agree that it did get out of control a few times, but I liked that. If Ed Baxter would have tried to control this more than he did it may not have been nearly as entertaining. Almost like a ref in a WWE match, eh? ;-)

As for Ronn not participating, anyone know why? It's too bad, I like his show and I think he would have provided a significant contribution to these debates.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars

My guess is that Ronn doesn't participate due to compensation...
That and he doesn't like to share the spotlight...



> > > Perhaps there should be more debates, with just 3-4 of
> the
> > hosts, perhaps Gene Burns, Bernie Ward, Ronn Owens...
> >
> >
> > Ronn Owens doesn't participate in these events any longer.
>
> >
> > DJ
> >
> I have to say that the All-star broadcats was some of the
> best radio I've ever heard. The issues that were discussed,
> especially Iraq, are very sensitive and emotional issues for
> many people and is was nice to hear professional talk show
> hosts hashing it out like regular guys talking politics
> around the water cooler.
>
> It seems obvious that there is a big rift between the left
> (Ray Taliafero and Karel) and the big righty (Dr. Bill) at
> KGO, and it even sounds truly personal. Often talk show
> hosts will comment about each other's topics and opinions
> but keep it 'professional'; at the end of the day they'd
> have a beer together. But in the case of the 'all-stars', I
> suspect that there's not much love lost between them even in
> their personal lives. In a way, that's a shame. But it sure
> makes for some VERY entertaining radio!
>
> By the way, some of my freinds that heard this show though
> Ed Baxter didn't moderate very well. I think the opposite; I
> agree that it did get out of control a few times, but I
> liked that. If Ed Baxter would have tried to control this
> more than he did it may not have been nearly as
> entertaining. Almost like a ref in a WWE match, eh? ;-)
>
> As for Ronn not participating, anyone know why? It's too
> bad, I like his show and I think he would have provided a
> significant contribution to these debates.
>
 
Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars (Audio)

woody1394 wrote:

> As for Ronn not participating, anyone know why? It's too
> bad, I like his show and I think he would have provided a
> significant contribution to these debates.

The best answer comes from Ronn Owens himself -- I have just added an excerpt from Ronn's show from "the morning after" on KGO:

http://www.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, under "For Your Listening Pleasure," for the link to the Ronn excerpt, which also includes Ed Baxter and Mike Amatori.

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Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars

DyingMedium wrote:

> My guess is that Ronn doesn't participate due to compensation...
> That and he doesn't like to share the spotlight...


Bad guess. See my post above for a link to Ronn's comments.

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Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars (Audio)

Sorry...don't want to listen to it...just wanted to know...what does Owens say?



> woody1394 wrote:
>
> > As for Ronn not participating, anyone know why? It's too
> > bad, I like his show and I think he would have provided a
> > significant contribution to these debates.
>
> The best answer comes from Ronn Owens himself -- I have just
> added an excerpt from Ronn's show from "the morning after"
> on KGO:
>
http://ww> w.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml
>
>
> Scroll down to the bottom of the page, under "For Your
> Listening Pleasure," for the link to the Ronn excerpt, which
> also includes Ed Baxter and Mike Amatori.
>
> DJ
>
 
Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars (Audio)

> woody1394 wrote:
>
> > As for Ronn not participating, anyone know why? It's too
> > bad, I like his show and I think he would have provided a
> > significant contribution to these debates.
>
> The best answer comes from Ronn Owens himself -- I have just
> added an excerpt from Ronn's show from "the morning after"
> on KGO:
>
http://ww> w.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml
>
>
> Scroll down to the bottom of the page, under "For Your
> Listening Pleasure," for the link to the Ronn excerpt, which
> also includes Ed Baxter and Mike Amatori.
>
> DJ
>
I tried to play it, but my computer doesn't recognize the file. What program should I use to play this?<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Ronn Owens & The All-Stars (Audio)

woody1394 wrote:

> I tried to play it, but my computer doesn't recognize the
> file. What program should I use to play this?


RealPlayer FREE from http://www.real.com

Just so we don't have to go over this a dozen more times, when you get to Real.com, look on the right side of the screen for RealPlayer *FREE*. It is a free program. There is no charge for it.

If you click on "Rhapsody" because you think "Rhapsody" is the way some people spell "RealPlayer FREE" and then complain to me that you shouldn't have to pay $14.95 a month to listen to files on the museum website, then you are just plain dumb. You should not be allowed to own a computer if you are not bright enough to read what it says on the screen.

(You think I'm kidding? You should read the messages I get from tards who think I actually am the tech department for Real.com.)

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Re: Dr. Bill posts on Karel Quickly Removed from kgo.com

> I have to say that the All-star broadcats was some of the
> best radio I've ever heard. The issues that were discussed,
> especially Iraq, are very sensitive and emotional issues for
> many people and is was nice to hear professional talk show
> hosts hashing it out like regular guys talking politics
> around the water cooler.

I never thought of it that way. That's the best description of what it was - talking around the water cooler. Iraq is very sensitive and devisive, especially when an ex-professor emeritus of nuclear engineering/consultant to the US govt (BillW) debates a liberal ratio veteran (RayT) who was crusading against the Vietnam war on the radio when Dr Bill was probably working on nukes. Amazing that a station has exceptionally talented broadcasters from these two entirely different backgrounds.

> It seems obvious that there is a big rift between the left
> (Ray Taliafero and Karel) and the big righty (Dr. Bill) at
> KGO, and it even sounds truly personal. Often talk show
> hosts will comment about each other's topics and opinions
> but keep it 'professional'; at the end of the day they'd
> have a beer together. But in the case of the 'all-stars', I
> suspect that there's not much love lost between them even in
> their personal lives. In a way, that's a shame. But it sure
> makes for some VERY entertaining radio!

Probably not much love between them in their personal lives at all. Indeed, KGO quickly removed the comments that Dr. Bill posted on kgo.com direcly from Karel's message boards, without permission. Dr. Bill didn't need to take things so far, and KGO management obviously realized this and edited the BillW page, at least that as my best guess as to what happened, I really don't know. Both Bill and Karel have a right to their sharply divergent views on Iraq and other issues, and that is what is incredibly unique about KGO.
 
Re: Dr. Bill posts on Karel Quickly Removed from kgo.com

Good for KGO for removing it!







> I have to say that the All-star broadcats was some of the
> > best radio I've ever heard. The issues that were
> discussed,
> > especially Iraq, are very sensitive and emotional issues
> for
> > many people and is was nice to hear professional talk show
>
> > hosts hashing it out like regular guys talking politics
> > around the water cooler.
>
> I never thought of it that way. That's the best description
> of what it was - talking around the water cooler. Iraq is
> very sensitive and devisive, especially when an ex-professor
> emeritus of nuclear engineering/consultant to the US govt
> (BillW) debates a liberal ratio veteran (RayT) who was
> crusading against the Vietnam war on the radio when Dr Bill
> was probably working on nukes. Amazing that a station has
> exceptionally talented broadcasters from these two entirely
> different backgrounds.
>
> > It seems obvious that there is a big rift between the left
>
> > (Ray Taliafero and Karel) and the big righty (Dr. Bill) at
>
> > KGO, and it even sounds truly personal. Often talk show
> > hosts will comment about each other's topics and opinions
> > but keep it 'professional'; at the end of the day they'd
> > have a beer together. But in the case of the 'all-stars',
> I
> > suspect that there's not much love lost between them even
> in
> > their personal lives. In a way, that's a shame. But it
> sure
> > makes for some VERY entertaining radio!
>
> Probably not much love between them in their personal lives
> at all. Indeed, KGO quickly removed the comments that Dr.
> Bill posted on kgo.com direcly from Karel's message boards,
> without permission. Dr. Bill didn't need to take things so
> far, and KGO management obviously realized this and edited
> the BillW page, at least that as my best guess as to what
> happened, I really don't know. Both Bill and Karel have a
> right to their sharply divergent views on Iraq and other
> issues, and that is what is incredibly unique about KGO.
>
 
Shouldn't it be called the 2005 KGO Egomaniacs Broadcast?



> With special thanks to Mike Amatori and everyone at KGO,
> here is the complete "2005 KGO All-Stars Broadcast" from
> Thursday, November 10, in case you missed it or just want to
> experience it once more:
>
http://ww> w.bayarearadio.org/audio/kgo/kgo_all-stars_nov-10-2005.shtml
>
>
> Click on the radio or "On The Air" icons at the top of the
> page to hear the entire broadcast, or scroll down to the
> bottom of the page to listen to the hours separately.
>
> DJ
>
 
Re: Ronn Owens = war monger

he banged the drum for war in Iraq...ten when things went bad he hides like a rat..he does not have the guts to show his face in public and defend his views...he said that he doesn't care if a bunch of U.S. troops get blown upo in Iraq.
 
Re: Ronn Owens = war monger

> he banged the drum for war in Iraq...ten when things went
> bad he hides like a rat..he does not have the guts to show
> his face in public and defend his views...he said that he
> doesn't care if a bunch of U.S. troops get blown upo in
> Iraq.
>
Ronn Owens doesn't need defending from me, but I doubt that's the case. Like most talk hosts, he's always been upfront about his views. I don't know his current views on Iraq, but I'm sure he either: (1) still defends the war, which is his privelege and a legitimate point of view, whether you like it or not; or (2) has "mea culpa'ed" and admits he was wrong. He's done that before. What you described fits about 50% of all Americans, including most of the Democratic Congressional delegation. It also includes Rep. Murtha, the hawkish ex-Marine who initially supported the war, and is now advocating that we withdraw now.
 
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