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TheFonz said:
Yeah, the deaths of Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Gram Parsons, Keith Moon sure brought drug abuse in the 70s to a screeching halt.
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Thomps2525
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Yesterday I didn't really want to get into a debate about whether I'm "inhumane" but today, ladies and gentleman of the jury, I've prepared a short speech. There have always been drug-related deaths in the entertainment industry, just as there have always been drug-related deaths in the general population. But since the 1980s, when rap music first became popular---and Michael, don't you dare try to insist that Walter Brennan's Old Rivers was a rap song!---I have seen an inordinately high number of drug-related and gun-related deaths among rap artists. The rappers, for whatever reasons, adopt the "thug" lifestyle and it no longer surprises me when one of them is gunned down or dies of an overdose. Mister landtuna phrased it quite well: Most of them die of "stupidity."
LARadioRewind said:
I'd be curious to see if the drug-related deaths are in fact any more frequent in the music industry now than in previous decades. Gang-related homicide, certainly. It really wasn't a factor in the music business decades ago (and the Mob considered it bad business to whack the artists that made them money).
And, no, Steve, Walter Brennan's "Old Rivers" wasn't the first rap record.
That would be Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues".
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Thomps2525
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How about all the Two Black Crows comedy recordings made in 1927-28 by the vaudeville team of Moran & Mack (George Moran and Charles Sellers)? We could even make a case for that "little piece of practical poetry" (Mary Had A Little Lamb) recorded by Thomas Edison in 1878:
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2012/10/25/10712/hear-thomas-edison-sing-rare-1878-audio-restored-f/
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2012/10/25/10712/hear-thomas-edison-sing-rare-1878-audio-restored-f/
Ah, but while you can't necessarily rap a song, you can assign a melody to a rap. And though I'm sure that wasn't what Dylan thought he was doing, it's what he did.
Factor out the accompaniment, bore in on the lyrics and picture a rap voice and a strong downbeat on 5:
Johnny's in the basement
Mixin' up the medicine
I'm on the pavement
Thinkin' 'bout the government.
It's where the basic structure of rap and hip-hop comes from. The first time I heard Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" 30-some years ago, I thought they owed Dylan big.
Factor out the accompaniment, bore in on the lyrics and picture a rap voice and a strong downbeat on 5:
Johnny's in the basement
Mixin' up the medicine
I'm on the pavement
Thinkin' 'bout the government.
It's where the basic structure of rap and hip-hop comes from. The first time I heard Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" 30-some years ago, I thought they owed Dylan big.
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hornet61
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I'm sorry fellows,but, it's obvious here that the views on Rap are driven by age..just like 1958, I was 12,my dad said "This Rock N' Roll is crap,they can't sing, they can't play, it's not music (sound Familiar) Glen Miller, Artie Shaw, Tommy Dorsey,etc. That's Music" It's generation thing, for the most part we are all defined musically by puberty."I like to call it "Pimples, Puberty and Petticoats" now, 55 years later, we are my dad knocking Rap , cause It ain't our thing .....and the opinion of rappers is driven by our personal bagagge,mine included,deny it or not, just scroll back and re-read what you are saying. Hey, I'm just a month shy of 67, I don't like to listen to anything musically past 1979...but there was alot of great stuff out there beyond 1979, but beacuse I don't care to listen to it, doesn't make it bad stuff.
And, let's not gloss over the 60's/70's artists as innocent to demonize the modern day artists, every era has it's good guys and it's bad guys.....
post script:Revealed a few years back..deathbed confession, Brian Jones was accidently killed/drowned by his Valet, not drug related.
And, let's not gloss over the 60's/70's artists as innocent to demonize the modern day artists, every era has it's good guys and it's bad guys.....
post script:Revealed a few years back..deathbed confession, Brian Jones was accidently killed/drowned by his Valet, not drug related.
Re: Brian Jones: Really? Wow. I'd never heard that. I'll have to go look it up.
And...there's a reason for that.
Frank Thorogood's alleged confession in 1993 rests on the word of one man, Tom Keylock, who is the person Thorogood allegedly confessed to. Keylock then told an author, who included it in a book about Jones' death. But Keylock, it turns out, also had motive and opportunity to kill Brian. And Keylock is dead...having died 40 years to the day after Jones.
So we don't know if Keylock told the truth about a confession no one else heard, and if he did, if Thorogood was telling the truth.
Meaning it's still an open case. And back to the point of the original post, the toxicology reports show significant levels of alcohol and drugs in Brian's system. He shouldn't have been anywhere near a swimming pool.
Frank Thorogood's alleged confession in 1993 rests on the word of one man, Tom Keylock, who is the person Thorogood allegedly confessed to. Keylock then told an author, who included it in a book about Jones' death. But Keylock, it turns out, also had motive and opportunity to kill Brian. And Keylock is dead...having died 40 years to the day after Jones.
So we don't know if Keylock told the truth about a confession no one else heard, and if he did, if Thorogood was telling the truth.
Meaning it's still an open case. And back to the point of the original post, the toxicology reports show significant levels of alcohol and drugs in Brian's system. He shouldn't have been anywhere near a swimming pool.
melan8tr said:
I am about your age and have much the same feeling about post-1980 popular music but I disagree heartily about rap being mostly a generational irritant. I have five "kids" (they are all adults now) who all listened to various types of music but none tolerated rap and only one listened to hip-hop and then only rarely.
Rap, first, is not anywhere near the traditional definition of "music". Second, most of it contains hate messages, particularly against females, and fails to connect with anyone outside its target audience of street thugs and wannabees. Third, any rap sounds pretty much like any other. No variety. No uniqueness. No innovation. Just noise and hate. Go to any downtown or mall and pump up rap good and loud and it is almost a given you will be assaulted by someone who sees it for what it is. Anything that provokes that kind of response is not a good citizen.
It is true some people back in the 50's (hello Mitch Miller) thought the same of Rock n Roll when it hit the airwaves but it is also true that the general population didn't agree with him. My parents and my grandparents thought it was kind of weird, especially when they saw kids dancing on AB and other programs. But they didn't think the world was going to end and didn't forbid me or my sisters from listening to it. I remember artists like Elvis trying to look all Brando with his ducktail haircut and leather jacket but most of us just thought he was silly. The girls, of course, thought otherwise.
Most of the artists of the 50's were of the same clean cut variety as were the crooners of the previous decade. Jerry Lee Lewis was probably the most notorious and that was for marrying his 12-year old cousin and not necessarily his music. In the mid-60's it all changed and predominately because of the Vietnam War and associated draft. Fold in the explosion of the civil rights movement and you had all manner of music with messages, both good and bad, but nothing like the hate-filled rap content. The 60's and 70's were also known for perhaps the greatest exposition of experimentation in music history. Nothing since even comes close.
melan8tr said:
You're right, we do pass on the torch of righteousness, claiming the high ground for our own generation's music. But, I disagree with the "...ain't our thing" qualifier against rap. That's an understatement. No generation has ever pushed the envelope into the gutter like rap has.
So-called "suggestive lyrics" have always found their way contemporary music. But, there's the rub; there is nothing simply "suggestive" about some (though not all) of rap's salty street language. It's more of a call to arms, encouraging criminal behavior. And there's the difference. Contempt for rap is rooted in dynamics deeper than "age". I myself honor a principal condemning any 'song' whose lyrics encourage violence, particularly on women, and homocide, on anyone, even fellow rappers. No, rap isn't the first musical genre to breach boundaries, but it's the worst!
Uh-oh---- chop-chop-chop-chop-chop-chop-chop-chop... Hear that? That's the sound of the R/D MBE helicopter... Won't be surprised if they swoop down and drop us all into the bowels of TIO... Quick, LAR, post another obit ASAP! Get us back on topic!
TUNA,
My rant, above (REPLY 272), looks very much like your post, but I swear, I did not plagurize. I must have missed that red-ink alert, cueing me of a new post on the subject. Gotta say though, I obviously agree with you.
My rant, above (REPLY 272), looks very much like your post, but I swear, I did not plagurize. I must have missed that red-ink alert, cueing me of a new post on the subject. Gotta say though, I obviously agree with you.
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Thomps2525
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"I hate country music." "That's fine."
"I hate heavy metal." "That's all right."
"I hate opera music." "That's okay."
"I hate rap." "You're racist!"
By request, here is another obituary to get us back on topic:
Indian actor Pran Krishan Sikand, known simply as Pran, appeared in more than 350 movies over a six-decade career. He died of pneumonia July 12 at age 93. In 2000, Stardust, the monthly Bollywood magazine published in English and Hindi, named Pran "Villain of the Millennium." Take that, Freddy Krueger, Darth Vader, Hannibal Lecter and Lord Voldemort!
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/India-s-legendary-actor-Pran-dies-at-93-4661985.php
"I hate heavy metal." "That's all right."
"I hate opera music." "That's okay."
"I hate rap." "You're racist!"
By request, here is another obituary to get us back on topic:
Indian actor Pran Krishan Sikand, known simply as Pran, appeared in more than 350 movies over a six-decade career. He died of pneumonia July 12 at age 93. In 2000, Stardust, the monthly Bollywood magazine published in English and Hindi, named Pran "Villain of the Millennium." Take that, Freddy Krueger, Darth Vader, Hannibal Lecter and Lord Voldemort!
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/India-s-legendary-actor-Pran-dies-at-93-4661985.php
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hornet61
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C'mon guys....it's not just the music...it's the movies today..TV today.....Magazines ..OMG! the intranet..it's 2013
quite classifing RAP as the root of all evil today...compare the classifieds of a 1955 newspaper and then go to craigs list where you can buy anything drugs, sex, viagra, and worse..my god you guys talk like the world stood still except for RAP...it's a progression and If I have to dig and find examples of profanity, homophobia, misogmy, murder, suicide and every thing you all have cited in RAP I can find the same in todays rock and POP, ....
I know you all are not this naive...i will say it again this is personal baggage...I never said my dad tried to stop me from listening ,this was an anology that happens every generation since Cain killed Abel over which station to listen to.
and I am sorry but the majority of the kids love it.
quite classifing RAP as the root of all evil today...compare the classifieds of a 1955 newspaper and then go to craigs list where you can buy anything drugs, sex, viagra, and worse..my god you guys talk like the world stood still except for RAP...it's a progression and If I have to dig and find examples of profanity, homophobia, misogmy, murder, suicide and every thing you all have cited in RAP I can find the same in todays rock and POP, ....
I know you all are not this naive...i will say it again this is personal baggage...I never said my dad tried to stop me from listening ,this was an anology that happens every generation since Cain killed Abel over which station to listen to.
and I am sorry but the majority of the kids love it.
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Thomps2525
Guest
Cain killed Abel with a rock. I could make a comment that substitutes "rap" for "rock"---get it?---but you probably wouldn't appreciate it. 
Anna Wing had dozens of roles on stage and on television but she was best known for playing Lou Beale on the BBC soap opera EastEnders. She died July 7 at age 98.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/jul/11/anna-wing-lou-beale-eastenders
Anna Wing had dozens of roles on stage and on television but she was best known for playing Lou Beale on the BBC soap opera EastEnders. She died July 7 at age 98.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/jul/11/anna-wing-lou-beale-eastenders
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Thomps2525
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He started doing drugs at 13. He died at 31. Sad. Canadian-born actor Cory Monteith, who had played Finn Hudson on Glee since the series' debut in 2009, was found dead on July 13 in a hotel room in Vancouver, BC.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dies-584965
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dies-584965
LARadioRewind said:
Now, you see....that would have been a nice way to write the Kris Kross notice, wouldn't it?
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