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2023 Format Changes

That's the issue. For about 30 years now, Alternative has been synonymous with Alt Rock. It ignores all other forms. It is a broad genre. As a format, the insiders on here explained for years that Alt Rock is the general consensus when discussing the Alternative format.

As I have said here before, music wise I quite liked what Audacy was doing under Mike Kaplin. Pretty much everyone hated it, but I thought it was good. I thought that under his leadership the music was great and it had a wider appeal. The consolidation of programming is what brought Audacy undone, in my opinion.
 
1. Q104.3 of Classic Rock should change to The Next Generation of Classic Rock by playing the 80's, 90's & Early 2000's like:

Aerosmith - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing
Aerosmith - Jaded
Bon Jovi - It's My Life
Eagle-Eye Cherry - Save Tonight
Heaven 17 - Let Me Go
Heaven 17 - Temptation (like Burger King played on the commercial in 1999)
Pearl Jam - Last Kiss
Santana feat. The Product G&B and Wyclef Jean - Maria, Maria
Santana feat. Michelle Branch - The Game of Love
Shakira - Whenever, Wherever
Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes
Sting feat. Cheb Mami - Desert Rose
Train - Drops of Jupiter (Tell Me)
Al, respectfully, please pass whatever it is you’re smoking because there is no way you are serious right now with this. Shakira on Classic Rock? What?
 
1. Q104.3 of Classic Rock should change to The Next Generation of Classic Rock by playing the 80's, 90's & Early 2000's like:

Aerosmith - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing
Aerosmith - Jaded
Bon Jovi - It's My Life
Eagle-Eye Cherry - Save Tonight
Heaven 17 - Let Me Go
Heaven 17 - Temptation (like Burger King played on the commercial in 1999)
Pearl Jam - Last Kiss
Santana feat. The Product G&B and Wyclef Jean - Maria, Maria
Santana feat. Michelle Branch - The Game of Love
Shakira - Whenever, Wherever
Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes
Sting feat. Cheb Mami - Desert Rose
Train - Drops of Jupiter (Tell Me)
no, those songs have no place on a classic rock station, they might be better for classic AC/Hot AC, the Aerosmith songs that should be played on the station if they go for a 80s/90s/early 2000s Classic Rock should be 80s/early 90s era Aerosmith and not the late 90s era Aerosmith that ditched the rock for soft rock friendly hits.

the core artist of a 80s/90s/early 2000s based classic rock should be Nirvana, Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, Korn, The Offspring, Green Day, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Def Leppard, Poison, Whitesnake, Foo Fighters, and any other bands with hits in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, artist that dominated the Rock and Alternative rock charts of 1980-2003.
 
Stop it. It isn't gonna happen.

This is beating a dead horse.

If Audacy wanted to put WCBS's all-news format on FM, they would have done it already. But they chose WINS. It makes absolutely no sense to have both stations simulcast on FM for many reasons.

And they are showing patience with 94.7 The Block. To compare its performance with other markets is foolish. If it fails, it will be because of Audacy's lack of promotional support (which can be compounded by their financial issues) moreso than a stale playlist. But if they bill well enough, the ratings will not matter.

No disrespect, but this is definitely coming from a fan who doesn't understand how the business really works.
Idk this entire board beat the dead horse of “wins needs to go on 92.3“ until it actually happened. I feel like someone on the board has information that they’re privy to and not showing their hand
 
Idk this entire board beat the dead horse of “wins needs to go on 92.3“ until it actually happened. I feel like someone on the board has information that they’re privy to and not showing their hand
Nope. I've never worked for Audacy, and have spent less than 7 days in NY in my lifetime - and I still called that move. It was pretty obvious from a business perspective.
 
Way too many station signals and not enough safe-and-tested formats to distribute among that many.
Not just in NYC either, of course.
The industry is like some twelve thousand people playing at the table of one Monopoly Board game.
Besides, any big-signal'ed change is apt to be met here with mixed reaction at best.
 
I actually heard Cold Heart on Hot once during their "new at 2" mixshow, despite that not being in any Billboard hip-hop chart, which is the station's direction, but rather, it was gone from Z100 and was a Hot AC/AC hit at the time.
The issue is not Billboard's chart. The issue is checking the other stations and streaming sources that play the same general format. Very few radio stations use Billboard as a primary guidance, if they even subscribe at all. We use MediaBase and used to use Gavin, R&R, FMQB, and a bunch of other radio airplay and record industry trades.
 
That is sad to hear Hot 97 playing Cold Heart or Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift for that matter. It is a Hip Hop Station for a reason.
 
That is sad to hear Hot 97 playing Cold Heart or Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift for that matter. It is a Hip Hop Station for a reason.
It's not a hip-hop station. It's always been a "cross color lines" (to borrow a 90's positioner from LA) station that plays rhythmic music for Blacks, Hispanics, non-Hispanic whites and anyone else who likes the music.
 
The issue is not Billboard's chart. The issue is checking the other stations and streaming sources that play the same general format. Very few radio stations use Billboard as a primary guidance, if they even subscribe at all. We use MediaBase and used to use Gavin, R&R, FMQB, and a bunch of other radio airplay and record industry trades.
But billboard is now using mediabase on some of the charts like the mainstream top 40.
If you look at the Z100 playlist it basically matches that chart.
Even before that switch the billboard top 40 airplay chart & the mediabase chart were very close except for different recurrent rules.
 
But billboard is now using mediabase on some of the charts like the mainstream top 40.
If you look at the Z100 playlist it basically matches that chart.
Stations in the larger markets do their own listener-based research as to song preferences. It's based on having selected listeners in the target demos listen to pieces of each possible song and scoring them.

Sure, they look at MediaBase and other outside data, but the key element in airplay is internal research.
Even before that switch the billboard top 40 airplay chart & the mediabase chart were very close except for different recurrent rules.
That still does not mean that stations look at the Billboard charts. My point is that stations combine a lot of data to determine whether to play a song and, then, how often.
 
But KROQ flipped to alternative under Infinity ownership.
Actually, Ken Roberts was the owner at the time the station became the ROQ of the 80s. Shadoe Stevens was the initial PD, and Rick Carroll took over as PD in 1979 and really propelled 106.7 into what has sustained it through to the current day.
 
Actually, Ken Roberts was the owner at the time the station became the ROQ of the 80s. Shadoe Stevens was the initial PD, and Rick Carroll took over as PD in 1979 and really propelled 106.7 into what has sustained it through to the current day.

Yes, but that wasn't an alternative format. According to R&R it was an AOR chart reporter through the end of the 80s.
 
That is sad to hear Hot 97 playing Cold Heart or Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift for that matter. It is a Hip Hop Station for a reason.
Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift would be a bit too scary to hear on Hot, even during the "new at 2" show. While Lavender Haze by Swift has a hip-hop/R&B sound, it's more pop and thus wouldn't fit on Hot, or their rival, Power 105.1. Peaches by Bieber did air on Hot though.
 
Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift would be a bit too scary to hear on Hot, even during the "new at 2" show. While Lavender Haze by Swift has a hip-hop/R&B sound, it's more pop and thus wouldn't fit on Hot, or their rival, Power 105.1. Peaches by Bieber did air on Hot though.
Ironically, the VentureX ad with Anti-Hero plays on Hot, so that's up for questioning.
 
Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift would be a bit too scary to hear on Hot, even during the "new at 2" show. While Lavender Haze by Swift has a hip-hop/R&B sound, it's more pop and thus wouldn't fit on Hot, or their rival, Power 105.1. Peaches by Bieber did air on Hot though.
Her remixes of anti-hero (roosevelt remix) & lavender haze (snakehips remix) are awesome.
 
Yes, but that wasn't an alternative format. According to R&R it was an AOR chart reporter through the end of the 80s.
KROQ, as well as other early "alternative" stations like 91X, WLIR, and WFNX, were AOR reporters until Billboard premiered its "Modern Rock Tracks" chart in September of 1988. For KROQ, in the early 80s they were spinning some AOR stalwarts (Stones, Petty, etc.) but by around '84 or '85 they were definitely more in the modern rock lane. Linked below is a site that collected all the Top 106.7 countdowns of each year on KROQ from 1980 onward.

 
For KROQ, in the early 80s they were spinning some AOR stalwarts (Stones, Petty, etc.) but by around '84 or '85 they were definitely more in the modern rock lane.

Correct, but when you look at what they played in 1985, it was all standard rock stuff. Today, those songs are the foundation of adult hits, not alternative. Alternative was designed to be the alternative to that kind of hit-oriented rock.
 
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