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40th anniversary of Sacramento's short-lived "Rock of the 80s" station (KPOP 93.5)

I wanted to post here to remember what might have been Sacramento's shortest-lived format but one that had a HUGE influence on my music taste ever since. Rock of the 80s was a format consisting mainly of new wave music including synth-pop, punk, ska and some reggae created by Rick Carroll who had worked at KPOP previously and later sold them the format after launching it on KROQ in Los Angeles most famously and also KQAK The Quake in San Francisco. I'm not sure what the format on KPOP was prior (I know it was disco and then R&B for a while) but when I first tuned in during summer 1983 it seemed like top 40 with some "deeper" tracks thrown in- I heard the long version of Taco's "Puttin' on the Ritz" when the other stations were playing the shortened version, and an odd Culture Club track for example. They played a few promo spots announcing that they would become "Rock of the 80s" on August 1st but didn't really explain what that meant. I was curious though- our family went on a vacation the last few weeks of July and into August but as soon as we got back I tuned in.

I was going into 5th grade at the time for reference; my regular station at the time was KWOD but I was getting fed up with their repetitiveness and especially how most stations would only play the "hit" songs, released as singles, and not the other tracks from albums. It was especially insulting when KWOD would play one song off a new album for a while and then later play one other song and call that the "latest" from that artist, when I knew it had already been on the album for months and they should have been playing it already. I heard a few familiar songs and groups on this new "Rock of the 80s" station, but what kept me hooked was that they didn't stick to just their "hit" songs. Men Without Hats was a great example- every station was playing "Safety Dance" over and over, but KPOP was playing other tracks off their album like "Antarctica" and "The Great Ones Remember". Spandau Ballet had a hit in the US with the sappy ballad "True" which fit in mainly on adult contemporary stations, but KPOP was playing several other songs from them which showed that wasn't their usual sound. I got introduced to tons of other artists the other stations would never touch, but some got more popular years later- The Cure, U2, Thompson Twins and the B-52s but also some real previously-unknowns like the Ramones, Toy Dolls, Shriekback, The Jam, Missing Persons, Yello, and Berlin- some which might have been on MTV then but we didn't even have that available. Another incredible thing about how this station was programmed was that on Sunday mornings they would play three entire ALBUMS all the way through, not even talking in between songs. Some of this music was a bit strange to me at first but I grew to love it, but just as I was ready to declare that love in January 1984, the station suddenly flipped to top 40. One night I fell asleep to a live recording of Spandau Ballet playing "Gold," the next day I heard Lionel Richie, Kool and the Gang and Barry Manilow. They had kept all of the same DJs but they sounded like they had been lobotomized- before they were sounding laid-back and "cool" as they introduced me to all this intriguing new music, now they had an outright phoniness to them.

I was heartbroken- we already had 2 "hit music" stations in the area, why would a station doing something new and different suddenly decide to give us more of the same? I was pretty shy back then and afraid to make phone calls, but I called up the station just asking what had happened to Rock of the 80s and was told "Not enough people were listening to it." Aside from a few cancelled TV shows, it was my first lesson in the taste of the general public. I was hooked on this music at this point, I saw most of the more popular music as "lame" and "fake" and could never go back to that. I was able to pick up The Quake from San Francisco at least and in fact had sampled that during KPOP's short life to compare how they were doing the format. That at least lasted another year and a half so I got to keep hearing my now-favorite songs and plenty of new ones, plus experience the sheer genius of Alex Bennett in the morning. I'd occasionally check back on KPOP and it hurt to hear Olivia Newton-John and Journey on the frequency where I had once heard all of these incredibly new and different sounds. A few kids I knew at school had started listening to them after the format change and I stopped being friends with them as a result (hey, I was 11 so cut me a bit of slack!) At least this format didn't turn out to be very successful either however as it became "93 Rock" in 1986 (which I didn't like a lot and was no replacement for what they had been, but was still better than top 40) and soon moved frequencies to 93.7.

In June 1985 The Quake was sold and flipped to a different format (called The City) that was still high-quality, not top 40, but I wasn't quite old enough to really appreciate it then. With no internet and no MTV I was pretty much in the dark music-wise after that and too poor to blind-buy records on my own; in 1986 (after KPOP became 93 Rock) I was elated and amazed that KITS in San Francisco had actually DROPPED top 40 for a return to my favorite format which they soon renamed "Modern Rock", but it was nearly impossible to pick up where I was. I listened to it whenever I could though, and in 1991 KWOD also dropped top 40 for an attempt at a modern rock format which they were never really great at but then grunge soon came along and took over pretty much every station with this format squeezing out the synth stuff which I much preferred. (I couldn't even stand to listen to Live 105 after this and didn't care when they flipped to "Dave FM", their recent "return" is still a bore to me.)

It's hard to find much online about KPOP as that name now mainly means Korean pop music, but I wanted to give them some recognition now 40 years later. It was sad how short-lived it was, lasting only five months, but during those five months they made a huge impression on my musical taste and although I've grown to appreciate other music (even Journey and Lionel Richie!) for what it is, the music of this format remains my absolute favorite and I might not have discovered it without this station. The first DJ there I got familiar with was Carmy Ferreri who would usually call himself by his last name sounding like "Ferrari," I see he is still in the radio business today, I also remembered Zeb Norris who left the station shortly after the format change as he hated it and is now in Vermont; he friended me on Facebook a few years ago after I posted some memories of KPOP. Although I did record some of the complete albums they played, I cut out all of the DJs and commercials in between sides and never taped any straight sets of music- I wish I had and hope others did and those tapes will be unearthed eventually. My thanks go out to everyone who made this station possible, and absolutely no thanks whatsoever to those who killed it after only five months. I've met a few people who still fondly remember those five months (but never heard any fond memories of their top 40 days aside from the morning team of Robbins, Kinney and Cowan, who were no Alex Bennetts but two of them went on to somewhat great fame later) and hopefully someone will post some here.
 
And it’s now been 40 years since this great format was killed prematurely. History shows that the top 40 format didn’t work out so great either, ending with a faked publicity stunt with DJs pretending to barricade themselves in the studio, smashing records and changing the format to 93 Rock.
 
You’re welcome, The Quake was clearly the better station of the two (It was said despite Rick Carroll’s involvement, KPOP was never really committed to the format and pulled the plug when the ratings weren’t an immediate success) but KPOP was my first taste of this type of music aside from the few tracks played on top 40 radio, and who knows where my musical taste would be now otherwise.

It was said top 40 was a much “safer” format which is why my mind was blown when KITS in San Francisco later DROPPED that for this format which had already failed on The Quake. They had a much better business plan and sounded much more like they knew what they were doing, but their signal was so bad that I couldn’t get it much where I was and there was no internet radio back then. KWOD finally picked up the format in 1991 but they never did a really great job with it, and the format in general greatly declined soon after anyways as grunge took over and the more dance and pop oriented music was given the boot. I wasn’t even sad when Live 105 changed to Dave FM, and now that they’ve brought it back it’s been mostly a bore as well. Even KROQ is nothing special now. Always wondered if these older stations had stayed around to today if they would have suffered the same fate.

Strangely enough I discovered 103.1 “The Wave” in Salt Lake City while passing through there and that can be heard online. It keeps a lot of the same spirit of the music I liked but focuses more on the older music which I already have in my collection, they play some good new music but not enough of it.
 
One more thing worth mentioning is that when KPOP flipped the format to top 40, it was sudden with no “stunting” and all of the same DJs stayed though some of them left as they didn’t like the new format. That taught me a bit about radio as well, as I naively thought DJs actually liked all the music they were playing. (I did find a posting here a few years ago from the person responsible for that format change, but they are listed as “no longer active” here.)

They were pretty much straightforward and casual with the Rock of the 80s format, but after the switch they sounded like they had gotten brain transplants. They suddenly had a phony positive vibe to their presentations, and I really felt betrayed hearing Carmy Ferrari trying to make me think Lionel Richie’s “Hello” was a great song after he had introduced me to the likes of The Ramones just a few months before! That likely wouldn’t happen today, as there’s usually mass firings when a format changes and stations already have little personality left.
 
It's probably important to remember that the "Rock of The 80's" was a pretty 'niche' format for the time in a market the size of Sacramento....and KPOP only had a 3,000 watt signal off of the Roseville tower at that time as I recall (someone correct me if I'm wrong). My high school buddy Joe LOVED that station... but he lived in Elk Grove and he said the signal was VERY choppy down there and hard to listen to. Had they had better coverage over the entire listening area....it might have been a different story. Sadly, that's not the way it happened.
 
It's probably important to remember that the "Rock of The 80's" was a pretty 'niche' format for the time in a market the size of Sacramento...

True even in slightly bigger markets. In 1987, New Times (the SN&R of Phoenix) interviewed Steve Goddard, a local jock whose "Goddard's Gold" is still syndicated around the country.

He'd been in Phoenix (from San Diego and before that, Dallas) for six years and was the number one afternoon guy in town.

One of the questions they asked Steve was "Why doesn't Phoenix have a "rock of the 80s"-type station like KROQ in Los Angeles?"

Steve's answer:

"Los Angeles has more people. And more people from Mars."

(Steve's a bit of a traditionalist.)

Phoenix was market #24 at the time. Sacramento was #32.
 
For years I said it was either "too good for Sacramento" or "Sacramento just wasn't ready for it"- really made me hate the area for a long time also. I remember their signal wasn't the best, what was typical in the pre-internet days (honestly I hardly care about radio reception nowadays) was that that best stations had awful signals while the worst ones were super-powerful. At that time KSFM 102.5 was #1 with a repetitive top 40 format and phony-sounding DJs and their signal was and still is unbeatable. Made me wonder why a station that was harder to get would bother competing with that by copying them when they could've had a smaller but far more dedicated audience if they had stuck with it a bit longer. I always thought top 40 stations were for people who didn't REALLY like music, they just wanted someone else to tell them what was "cool" because they had no idea themselves. Today many of the lower-rated stations from that era are the ones that are best remembered while the top ones of that time hardly get mentioned now.

Still wish I could find some off-air recordings of KPOP during this short time; also wonder how many other stations picked up the Rock of the 80s format and how well they did with it (and how many that survived ended up sounding as bad as KROQ does now)- I read someplace that there were about 12 in the country.
 
Strangely enough I discovered 103.1 “The Wave” in Salt Lake City while passing through there and that can be heard online. It keeps a lot of the same spirit of the music I liked but focuses more on the older music which I already have in my collection, they play some good new music but not enough of it.
There are several "New Wave" or classic alternative choices on the Internet, and First Wave on Sirius XM, and I've heard The Wave in SLC as well. Try an old classic, which is now majority classic alternative, 91X in San Diego. You can hear them online, and through apps like TuneIn. They've retained much of their original spirit, plus some good new music selections as well.
 
For years I said it was either "too good for Sacramento" or "Sacramento just wasn't ready for it"- really made me hate the area for a long time also.

Although I've only lived here for the past 10 years, I've been familiar with Sacramento all my life. After I got into radio and started paying attention to it on that level, it's always struck me as a rock and country town, with not much room in the mainstream for things like modern rock, R&B, etc. There have been exceptions here and there, but overall.

I remember their signal wasn't the best, what was typical in the pre-internet days (honestly I hardly care about radio reception nowadays) was that that best stations had awful signals while the worst ones were super-powerful. At that time KSFM 102.5 was #1 with a repetitive top 40 format and phony-sounding DJs and their signal was and still is unbeatable.

It all depends on what you do with it. They're #14 with a 2.4 now.

Made me wonder why a station that was harder to get would bother competing with that by copying them when they could've had a smaller but far more dedicated audience if they had stuck with it a bit longer.

Ad agencies rarely buy the smaller number. Just that simple. Format decisions are made by people who are analyzing potential profit more than audience passion.

I always thought top 40 stations were for people who didn't REALLY like music, they just wanted someone else to tell them what was "cool" because they had no idea themselves.

Top 40 played the most popular records of the time, period. It was a reflection of mass tastes, not a guidebook. Think McDonalds and Walmart. They're not number one in fast food and retail respectively for any reason other than more people spend their money there. They're not asking McDonalds to tell them what good food tastes like or Walmart to tell them what the best product is.

Today many of the lower-rated stations from that era are the ones that are best remembered while the top ones of that time hardly get mentioned now.

Because they stood out among passionate listeners like yourself, who focused on stuff like that. Still doesn't mean there were ratings to be had or a profit to be made in Sacramento with them.

Still wish I could find some off-air recordings of KPOP during this short time; also wonder how many other stations picked up the Rock of the 80s format and how well they did with it (and how many that survived ended up sounding as bad as KROQ does now)- I read someplace that there were about 12 in the country.

I don't know that the information is available (at least conveniently), but here's a good overview of what Rick Carroll did at KROQ and some discussion of how he took it to 91X in San Diego and elsewhere:

 
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Ironically, "Mars FM" was a brief early 90s competitor to KROQ, leaning into the burgeoning rave and techno scene.

And you know, Andy, the first time I heard it, on a visit to L.A., the first thing I thought of was Goddard and "if KROQ is for people from Mars, who is Mars-FM for?"

I dug it---but as I said Steve (who I got to know and work with a couple of years later), is a bit of----no, strike that----very much a traditionalist.
 
Rick was a brilliant programmer, but the format didn't come out of nowhere and KROQ was not the first. I know there must be other examples in the secondary markets, but a station in Seattle (KZAM) not only played pretty much the same music but even called themselves "the rock of the 80s" starting in May of 1978, one full year before Rick started programming KROQ. I knew one of the programmers of that Seattle operation, and basically he said they were trying to take what was being played on college radio at the time and package it so it made some kind of sense on commercial radio.

The difference I suppose is that the early pioneers probably had little to lose, whereas Rick was in a huge market with lots of exposure if the experiment failed. Fortunately for him he had excellent instincts and succeeded wildly.
 
Rick was a brilliant programmer, but the format didn't come out of nowhere and KROQ was not the first. I know there must be other examples in the secondary markets, but a station in Seattle (KZAM) not only played pretty much the same music but even called themselves "the rock of the 80s" starting in May of 1978, one full year before Rick started programming KROQ.

Timeline's a little off....KZAM launched the format and the name on January 1, 1980---seven months after Rick started programming KROQ:


KZAM at the time was co-owned with KDJQ, Phoenix. It went "Rock of the 80s" in August of 1979, and as the article notes, got permission from KROQ to use the phrase.

I knew one of the programmers of that Seattle operation, and basically he said they were trying to take what was being played on college radio at the time and package it so it made some kind of sense on commercial radio.

What gave them cover to say they were creating something rather than grabbing KROQ's coattails was that KROQ, although it had been first, wasn't seeing any traction in the ratings yet. There were no coattails.

Rick inherited a 1.2 in the spring '79 Arbitron, and watched it drop to a 0.6 in the summer and fall books.

In Jan/Feb '80, it doubled to a 1.2, moved up to a 1.6 in April/May, a 1.5 in July/August and a 1.8 in October/November.

For 1981, it was 1.6-1.7-1.8 and then breaking open in the fall book with a 2.4.

1982 was the watershed year. 3.0-3.7-3.7-3.9 (which was good enough for 5th place overall, number three music station and only half a point behind KIIS-FM).

The difference I suppose is that the early pioneers probably had little to lose, whereas Rick was in a huge market with lots of exposure if the experiment failed. Fortunately for him he had excellent instincts and succeeded wildly.

What Rick did that most of the others didn't was treat KROQ as a CHR station that just happened to play this music. Most of the others came at it from an AOR perspective.
 
For years I said it was either "too good for Sacramento" or "Sacramento just wasn't ready for it"- really made me hate the area for a long time also. I remember their signal wasn't the best, what was typical in the pre-internet days (honestly I hardly care about radio reception nowadays) was that that best stations had awful signals while the worst ones were super-powerful. At that time KSFM 102.5 was #1 with a repetitive top 40 format and phony-sounding DJs and their signal was and still is unbeatable. Made me wonder why a station that was harder to get would bother competing with that by copying them when they could've had a smaller but far more dedicated audience if they had stuck with it a bit longer. I always thought top 40 stations were for people who didn't REALLY like music, they just wanted someone else to tell them what was "cool" because they had no idea themselves. Today many of the lower-rated stations from that era are the ones that are best remembered while the top ones of that time hardly get mentioned now.

Still wish I could find some off-air recordings of KPOP during this short time; also wonder how many other stations picked up the Rock of the 80s format and how well they did with it (and how many that survived ended up sounding as bad as KROQ does now)- I read someplace that there were about 12 in the country.
Ironically, this is one of the TOP markets in the country for the "Alternative" format now. Alt 94.7 performs extremely well here now.
 
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Checking my facts, Mr. Hagerty, you are correct and I am wrong. Goes to show that the ol' memory bank from 43 years ago is far from perfect. KZAM only lasted 18 months- I thought it was more like 3+ years.
 
Ironically, this is one of the TOP markets in the country for the "Alternative" format now. Alt 94.7 performs extremely well here now.

Yeah, but as I said the format isn't what it used to be and hasn't been since the late 90s. KWOD ultimately failed long after I'd already given up on them (my default station in the car for the past 20+ years has been KDVS, a freeform noncommercial station with very few rules. Even if I don't like the music being played, I usually keep it on just because I know that whoever is playing it likes it.) I left KWOD because it got repetitive and the synth-pop stuff was dumped in favor of more grunge and little else, same thing happened at Live 105 which also failed at least for a bit, and even the mighty KROQ which used to be a treat to hear whenever I made it down to LA but now don't even bother listening to it online. 94.7 in Sacramento was owned by the same company as KWOD and I think they flipped that from smooth jazz seeing what a mistake it was to flip KWOD, but that station's been even worse as every time I tune that in I hear a song from the 90s that was already overplayed back then and they've always been automated with zero personality. It seems like all of these stations "jumped the shark" in the 90s and shed the 80s sounds but kept the 90s, I now call that the decade that won't go away. There's lots of great new music being made today that just isn't getting played anywhere while songs from 30 years ago still get played several times a day on a format that used to be called "Modern Rock". I never heard any songs from the 50s being played on these stations in the 80s. I hold many of the tracks from the 80s that these stations introduced me to in VERY high regard, but I wouldn't want to hear those on the air every day now either. I've already got CDs of most of them; if I turn on the radio I want to hear something new that will hopefully have the same effect the old stuff did when I first heard it.

Top 40 played the most popular records of the time, period. It was a reflection of mass tastes, not a guidebook. Think McDonalds and Walmart. They're not number one in fast food and retail respectively for any reason other than more people spend their money there. They're not asking McDonalds to tell them what good food tastes like or Walmart to tell them what the best product is.
But who MADE those records popular? In the 80s and 90s certainly as I listened to a lot of radio then, it was usually the station programmers. Sure they probably had people calling in to request some songs more than others but there were plenty of other good songs and artists that never even got a chance- I'd frequently call some stations and request songs that I KNEW they wouldn't play at all, and I can't imagine anyone over the age of 12 calling in to request a song that's already being played ad nauseum. The thing I hated most about top 40 radio was that they would ONLY play songs that the labels released as singles, and that was a huge thing that attracted me to KPOP- they'd play several other tracks off of an album or B-sides, they even played complete albums all the way through on Sunday mornings (to be fair they certainly did still favor specific tracks over others, but I never got the feeling that anyone was 'locked out' of playing certain songs like the other stations were). If they had to flip to more "mainstream" music they could've kept that free-for-all philosophy with it and played, say, some Lionel Richie album tracks or B-sides in addition to his "hit" songs but of course they didn't.

Just remembered one thing from top 40 radio that blew my mind, and not in a good way- one track played a lot on KPOP then (and also on The Quake) was "Red Red Wine" by UB40. You didn't hear that at all on the 'mainstream' stations, but in 1988 that song started being played frequently on all the top 40 stations here all of a sudden, FIVE YEARS after I had heard it on the "good" stations. I heard it even went to #1 on the Billboard charts then. I don't know the story of how or why that happened, but why weren't those stations playing it in 1983 when it was new, instead waiting five years and then treating it as if it were a new song? "Send Me an Angel" by Real Life had a similar thing happen with it, but at least the version that was picked up years later on top 40 was a somewhat 'new' version; the UB40 track was the exact same recording that had been ignored for five years before put into heavy rotation. "Forever Young" by Alphaville was yet another song to have this happen- during a short trip to Southern CA in 1989 I heard some people on 91X joking about it, then played "You Say You Don't Love Me" by the Buzzcocks (which was 10 years old then) saying "Hey, any top 40 DJs that are listening, this is a brand new song that you should play all the time!"

Because they stood out among passionate listeners like yourself, who focused on stuff like that. Still doesn't mean there were ratings to be had or a profit to be made in Sacramento with them.
Well, that's why I'm not rich right now. At the end of the day I'd rather be remembered for making a difference in someone's life, turning them on to music they otherwise might not have heard, than simply make a "profit," and I'd certainly value having "passionate listeners" who would likely listen longer, even have it on in the living room at foreground levels and actively listening rather than a bunch of casual listeners who used it for nothing more than background sound. I've learned long ago that doing the right thing doesn't always result in the most money, but the right things should still be done anyways. (Incidentally, decades ago the McClatchy family owned 92.5 FM and had a classical music format, and they ran it AT A LOSS for years just because they liked classical music. I'd rather hear classical music than the bland AC format that's there now.)

Anyone know of any other format, good or bad, that lasted just five months or less anywhere?
 
It seems like all of these stations "jumped the shark" in the 90s and shed the 80s sounds but kept the 90s, I now call that the decade that won't go away. There's lots of great new music being made today that just isn't getting played anywhere while songs from 30 years ago still get played several times a day on a format that used to be called "Modern Rock". I never heard any songs from the 50s being played on these stations in the 80s.

This is a combination of time doing what time does and a change in where the money can be made demographically. Modern Rock in the 80s targeted 12-34. In today's advertising world, it needs to do well 25-54, which automatically makes it a Gold-based format. They're shooting for people who grew up in the 90s.

But who MADE those records popular? In the 80s and 90s certainly as I listened to a lot of radio then, it was usually the station programmers.

I promise you that by the 80s and 90s, in the vast majority of cases, that wasn't true. PDs needed some solid reasons to add a record. And the simple act of playing a record on a radio station can't make it popular if the audience doesn't actually like it. What it can do is make the audience resent the artist, record and station.

Sure they probably had people calling in to request some songs more than others but there were plenty of other good songs and artists that never even got a chance- I'd frequently call some stations and request songs that I KNEW they wouldn't play at all, and I can't imagine anyone over the age of 12 calling in to request a song that's already being played ad nauseum.

Requests were probably the smallest portion of what was considered in the popularity of a record. Even by the 80s, it was becoming:

  1. Does it test well in call-out or auditorium research ("testing well" meaning having the highest number of negative responses and the lowest negatives---what we now call a "consensus song"---that the majority of the audience you're trying to attract loves, likes or at the very minimum won't push the button when it comes on)?
  2. (in those days) Physical sales of the record.
  3. Phone requests.

Even in the supposed "glory days" of Top 40 stations with 40% shares of the audience, only about 6% of the audience were what we called "active listeners"---people who would actually bother to pick up the phone and make a request. They were more female than male and more pre-teens and early-mid teens than older teens and young adults. Basing what you play on phones alone meant your music was based on that small, skewed sample.

And sales were secondary to testing because maybe half of your audience bought music---and among those who did, most couldn't afford to buy everything they liked.

The thing I hated most about top 40 radio was that they would ONLY play songs that the labels released as singles, and that was a huge thing that attracted me to KPOP- they'd play several other tracks off of an album or B-sides, they even played complete albums all the way through on Sunday mornings (to be fair they certainly did still favor specific tracks over others, but I never got the feeling that anyone was 'locked out' of playing certain songs like the other stations were). If they had to flip to more "mainstream" music they could've kept that free-for-all philosophy with it and played, say, some Lionel Richie album tracks or B-sides in addition to his "hit" songs but of course they didn't.

Top 40/CHR was song-based, not artist-based.

Buzz Bennett unlocked one of the fundamental truths about Top 40 more than 50 years ago: At any given time, there are only about seven hit songs. The rest are songs that have peaked and are declining in popularity and songs that haven't peaked yet and may not become one of the seven most popular. This is why Buzz' playlists at KCBQ tended to be 22 records.

If you have a Lionel Richie hit, and you play three more cuts from his album in addition to that hit single, you're either going to be playing the hit less often, or a lot more Lionel Richie per hour---which is deadly for the audience that doesn't like Lionel, or those who like the hit, but aren't really fans.

And because only one thing comes out of the radio at a time, those album cuts are going to eat time that could have gone to a different artist's hit.

This is why Top 40/CHR and AOR were such different animals. AOR was artist-based (especially after Lee Abrams' "Superstars" format debuted in the late 70s). The audience wanted to hear what else was on the album---but which cuts aired and which didn't was almost always very carefully researched and not left to the taste of the PD.

Just remembered one thing from top 40 radio that blew my mind, and not in a good way- one track played a lot on KPOP then (and also on The Quake) was "Red Red Wine" by UB40. You didn't hear that at all on the 'mainstream' stations, but in 1988 that song started being played frequently on all the top 40 stations here all of a sudden, FIVE YEARS after I had heard it on the "good" stations. I heard it even went to #1 on the Billboard charts then. I don't know the story of how or why that happened, but why weren't those stations playing it in 1983 when it was new, instead waiting five years and then treating it as if it were a new song? "Send Me an Angel" by Real Life had a similar thing happen with it, but at least the version that was picked up years later on top 40 was a somewhat 'new' version; the UB40 track was the exact same recording that had been ignored for five years before put into heavy rotation.

Well, that's not exactly what happened. Enough CHRs played "Red Red Wine" when it was first released (65% of Radio & Records' reporting stations) that it peaked at #34 in Billboard.

The story on its revival is that Guy Zapoleon, PD at KZZP, Phoenix (and before that, Music Director at KRLA and KRTH) saw UB40 perform "Red Red Wine" at Nelson Mandela's 70 birthday party in 1988 (an event broadcast to 600 million people in 67 countries).

The next day, Guy went to the station and put "Red Red Wine"---the album version with Astro's rap, not the edited single from five years before---on the air just to see what happened. The phone response was way beyond what you would normally get from the subset of active listeners. The record stayed on the air, testing was done--it was through the roof. Guy made sure A&M Records knew about it. They reissued the single---this time unedited, with the rap intact, and got to #1.

Well, that's why I'm not rich right now. At the end of the day I'd rather be remembered for making a difference in someone's life, turning them on to music they otherwise might not have heard, than simply make a "profit," and I'd certainly value having "passionate listeners" who would likely listen longer, even have it on in the living room at foreground levels and actively listening rather than a bunch of casual listeners who used it for nothing more than background sound. I've learned long ago that doing the right thing doesn't always result in the most money, but the right things should still be done anyways.

A laudable attitude. It's tougher when it's your life savings on the line and employees' salaries and benefits---their livelihoods--- are riding on how much profit you make. If you're okay with "a little" instead of "a lot", and can take the hit yourself in the rough times instead of cutting salaries, benefits and jobs to protect a margin, that's fine. I've worked for guys like that.

(Incidentally, decades ago the McClatchy family owned 92.5 FM and had a classical music format, and they ran it AT A LOSS for years just because they liked classical music. I'd rather hear classical music than the bland AC format that's there now.)

And this is the problem. You don't get to control whether you make "a little" or lose money. That's up to advertisers, who buy numbers.

As for McClatchy, do we know for a fact KFBK-FM ran at a loss, and for how long? That was an era where commercial Classical stations could be profitable. Looks like their peak was a 3.3 in the fall '76 book, which would have been good enough for 12th place.

And in 1978, they attempted to cash in on the boom in Beautiful Music by flipping it to KAER. That just got them spanked by KEWT and KCTC until fall of '82 when they managed to edge KCTC. Still, it was automated, low overhead and probably made money.

In '83, they went Country and beat KRAK-AM. Four years later, they sold KFBK and KAER for $19 million.

Anyone know of any other format, good or bad, that lasted just five months or less anywhere?

Whole thread on that from six years ago:

 
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Hasn't been any activity in the Sacramento forum for about a month- but wanted to reply that the version of "Red Red Wine" played on Rock of the 80s stations in 1983 WAS the longer version with the "rap". I didn't even know there was a shorter version of it til now.

KEWT (105.1) was mentioned also; in 1984 they dropped "beautiful music" (a format I hated with a passion then, but have grown to appreciate now as kind of a kitsch thing since it's dead) for country and have changed names a few times since then but have stayed country that whole time, making it probably the longest-lasting music format in the area right now.

And yet I keep hoping SOMEBODY, SOMEDAY will try SOMETHING that's as new and different as KPOP was to me back then. A friend who I didn't know back then but who also listened to KPOP remembers that they did repeat a lot of songs; I have much less tolerance for that nowadays. Looking at the current ratings, the "CHR" stations aren't doing too well in general. If you want to hear a 'popular' song now you can do so online as much as you want.
 
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