Noticed the last few days 570 KLIF isn't surrounded with digital hash noise when I tune in with my manual tuning analog radio, and they are not turning on my "HD" tuner either. Anyone know what's up with that?
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570 KLIF IBOC turned off?
- Thread starter Megapsycle
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rbrucecarter5
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Megapsycle said:
Perhaps they have decided to be responsible station owners and not jam their neighbors? Now if they could be persuaded to turn off KKLF IBOC: it is not legal, expanded band stations are supposed to be C-Quam by law, and they are also jamming the TIS station from DFW airport.
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Curl
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Yes, its nice to be able to hear KLBJ again. Probably the bacon frying noise will return after some transmitter maintenance is completed.
BTW, I finally figured out why 1190 actually clears up when you are under a freeway underpass on west LBJ near sunset. WOAI 1200 is jamming it but the bridge blocks the skywave of bacon frying garbage.
Megapsycle said:
I LIKE IT BETTER THAT WAY ! !
HD for AM is useless, unless for maybe a KAAM. But only doing it in daytime, then creates a disspointment for evening listening expectations.
IBOC for News/Talk/Sports is USELESS ! !
I only like IBOC on FM for the secondary channels, and theie prospect of playing something other than Commerical Hits of whatever genre. So far, THAT has not happened.
The shallow nature of DFW Radio Music Listening Options just keeps on keepin' on !!
Even with HD, the Blinders are firmly fixed...
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Andyf101
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Maybe their Ibiquity gear bit the dust. 
Andy
Andy
It does indeed seem to go down for long periods on AMs when it breaks.
Quite a while ago, maybe a year and half or two ago, I was working in St Louis, Mo near KFUO 860 owned by a Lutheran College, and their
Iboc had gone totally schizo, not just 50 khz wide but 90 to 100 khz. Not totally sidebanded, but beyond the "normal" iboc sidebands
was a crisp "sparkling" sound unlike any other Iboc I've ever heard.
The engineer said he couldn't get the HD to decode anywhere at all, and they turned it off, and it was off a very long time.
When "upgrades" have been applied to AMs in Chicago they are frequently off HD for 4-5 days.
The August 2007 upgrades did at least balance the hiss out better and seemingly permit better enhanced sibliance for analog listeners.
WSCR AM 670 is totally unpredictable as to when they'll be in HD or not (and ruining reception of WSM).
Now is the time to call KLIF with an excited, breathless voice, saying,
"It's gone! The interference in my neighborhood is gone! Did you increase power? It sounds better than ever! "
Indeed even the weakest 250w one-lung country daytimer with an old CRL can whip the pants off a 50 kw IBOC for loudness
and wideband audio. Now the 50kw giant sounds like the one-lung 250w daytimer from one or two counties over,
except they sound that way over their whole huge area. Well, to be honest they sound better the farther you get away from them,
cause when the AGC voltage drops, in most radios the apparent IF passband is wider, and higher frequencies are often less overloaded
by heavy low and midrange material. All the AM 50 kw Chicago stations sound better in analog at 100-200 miles, after the iboc sidebands
have dimnished and the analog strong, yet not enough to heavily bias the AGC (daytime conditions).
Quite a while ago, maybe a year and half or two ago, I was working in St Louis, Mo near KFUO 860 owned by a Lutheran College, and their
Iboc had gone totally schizo, not just 50 khz wide but 90 to 100 khz. Not totally sidebanded, but beyond the "normal" iboc sidebands
was a crisp "sparkling" sound unlike any other Iboc I've ever heard.
The engineer said he couldn't get the HD to decode anywhere at all, and they turned it off, and it was off a very long time.
When "upgrades" have been applied to AMs in Chicago they are frequently off HD for 4-5 days.
The August 2007 upgrades did at least balance the hiss out better and seemingly permit better enhanced sibliance for analog listeners.
WSCR AM 670 is totally unpredictable as to when they'll be in HD or not (and ruining reception of WSM).
Now is the time to call KLIF with an excited, breathless voice, saying,
"It's gone! The interference in my neighborhood is gone! Did you increase power? It sounds better than ever! "
Indeed even the weakest 250w one-lung country daytimer with an old CRL can whip the pants off a 50 kw IBOC for loudness
and wideband audio. Now the 50kw giant sounds like the one-lung 250w daytimer from one or two counties over,
except they sound that way over their whole huge area. Well, to be honest they sound better the farther you get away from them,
cause when the AGC voltage drops, in most radios the apparent IF passband is wider, and higher frequencies are often less overloaded
by heavy low and midrange material. All the AM 50 kw Chicago stations sound better in analog at 100-200 miles, after the iboc sidebands
have dimnished and the analog strong, yet not enough to heavily bias the AGC (daytime conditions).
Tom, I totally agree with you on the Chicago 50 kw stations. I really liked it when WSCR's IBOC was off, I was able to hearTom Wells said:
WSM much more clearly at night. I also wish WGN would shut their IBOC off, due to the fact that I like to listen to CHWO AM740
at night, even though I am able to null out WGN I can still here the slight hiss on AM740.
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Andyf101
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Hasn't it also been pointed out how little stations seem to care about their HD service, anyway? Maybe it's off because someone in charge isn't paying attention to it.
Andy
Andy
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rbrucecarter5
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Still off when I checked today - and so is KMKI IBOC. How many people have called either station to complain that IBOC is off, I wonder? Especially kids listening to Radio Disney!
And l KRLD's IBOC is off too.rbrucecarter5 said:
It's on as I type. 1310, 1270, 820, 770 only ones I find right now with IBOC. And yes, I seem to remember KAAM had a link or page with different "HD" radios etc. Only a "HD" logo under the "Listen Live" for the stream now.Neil56 said:
Noticed last night about 11pm WBAP 820 was still running in "HD" ...wonder what was up with that?
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Andyf101
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Megapsycle said:
Well it is legal to do that now, per the FCC.
Andy
Well it is legal to do that now, per the FCC.
Andy
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Legal, but uncommon in this market. It's really rare that any of the local stations keeps HD on past sunset.
In other places, they don't seem to mind. KMOX, WOAI and others always seem to be in HD. (Okay, I rarely actually HEAR them in HD from North Texas, but my receiver shows an HD signal present, and sometimes IDs the station.
Andy
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Legal, but uncommon in this market. It's really rare that any of the local stations keeps HD on past sunset.
In other places, they don't seem to mind. KMOX, WOAI and others always seem to be in HD. (Okay, I rarely actually HEAR them in HD from North Texas, but my receiver shows an HD signal present, and sometimes IDs the station.
Yep unusual it was, last night 820 "HD" was off after 8 pm. A quick scan today looks like "HD" is back up on all except 570 KLIF is still down.
From west Houston ... just got out of the car after a late lunch break and I can tell you KLIF was coming in stronger down here than it has in months. I can't tell from this far away (240 miles give or take from their tower) whether their IBOC is on, of course, but that's a "for what it's worth" observation.
Thank God 560 from Beaumont hasn't turned on the crap!!
At my location near Westheimer, Gessner and the Beltway, I can hardly get WBAP because of a ton of interference, not the least of which is hiss from 790's IBOC.
KRLD is completely out; any signal that would be left here is obliterated by the analog slop from 1070.
Thank God 560 from Beaumont hasn't turned on the crap!!
At my location near Westheimer, Gessner and the Beltway, I can hardly get WBAP because of a ton of interference, not the least of which is hiss from 790's IBOC.
KRLD is completely out; any signal that would be left here is obliterated by the analog slop from 1070.
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rbrucecarter5
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schmave said:
Careful - if you make any hint of a suggestion that IBOC cuts coverage for AM, the pro-IBOC gestapo will come and flame you here! Anything that interferes with their arrogant little egomaniac trip of legally jamming first and second adjacents is met with the strongest possible derison of the poster.
KLIF used to be a blowtorch in Houston, not affected much at all by KLVI. I definitely noticed they are much weaker with IBOC on. I've noticed that with every single one of the AM that run it. WBAP, KAAM, both adversely affected. I can remember WBAP static free in Houston - not after IBOC turned on.
KRLD is possible in Cypress, because you can null 1070. But it, too, is much weaker than it used to be.
Of course the IBOC advocates will come on here with a chorus of "Houston listeners don't add to the bottom line for Dallas stations" or some variant, but poorer signal strength in Houston directly translates into less building penetration in Dallas. And that DOES affect their bottom line!
rbrucecarter5 said:
Ha! So true. They get very defensive, don't they?!
I was in Katy later yesterday and 570, 820 and 1080 all were coming in very well, though of course not static-free. And I was out of the heart of 1070's quite directional signal, which helped considerably. But I swear I heard hiss on 830. Hearing it all the way down here scares me.
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