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mustangrio
Guest
> I see where WOKV has finally been granted their Construction
> Permit for the 25Kw night power upgrade,on Thursday 6-09.Now
> if they could only find a way to eliminate the null towards
> St. Augustine in their night pattern.....
>
why do they need an up grade???
> Permit for the 25Kw night power upgrade,on Thursday 6-09.Now
> if they could only find a way to eliminate the null towards
> St. Augustine in their night pattern.....
>
why do they need an up grade???
F
FloridaBear1776
Guest
WOKV's NIF is really high
> > I see where WOKV has finally been granted their
> Construction
> > Permit for the 25Kw night power upgrade,on Thursday
> 6-09.Now
> > if they could only find a way to eliminate the null
> towards
> > St. Augustine in their night pattern.....
>
Another problem with OKV is the high Nighttime Interference Free Contour...
I think it takes 16 or 17 millivolts to overcome all the gunk on 690...
St. Augustine and other places would have better reception if that number were to be made lower...
I would guess a lot of that comes from WTIX in New Orleans which is on the same frequency and has an easterly lobe... That station even causes interference
on the fringe of OKV's daytime coverage area to the west (Levy County).
Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to another channel?
> > I see where WOKV has finally been granted their
> Construction
> > Permit for the 25Kw night power upgrade,on Thursday
> 6-09.Now
> > if they could only find a way to eliminate the null
> towards
> > St. Augustine in their night pattern.....
>
Another problem with OKV is the high Nighttime Interference Free Contour...
I think it takes 16 or 17 millivolts to overcome all the gunk on 690...
St. Augustine and other places would have better reception if that number were to be made lower...
I would guess a lot of that comes from WTIX in New Orleans which is on the same frequency and has an easterly lobe... That station even causes interference
on the fringe of OKV's daytime coverage area to the west (Levy County).
Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to another channel?
B
bossmsx
Guest
Re: WOKV's NIF is really high
> Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> another channel?
Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light on 1050?
> Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> another channel?
Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light on 1050?
F
FloridaBear1776
Guest
Re: WOKV's NIF is really high
> > Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> > another channel?
>
> Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't
> you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor
> did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it
> once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light
> on 1050?
>
WTIX's daytime and nighttime signals more than overshoot the New Orleans market.
It could stand to lose a few watts. It doesn't need all that juice to run syndicated talk. Those Cajuns are way too privileged with AM signals anyway, having two class A 50 kWers -- WWL and KWKH. Florida has how many Class A's?
Try Zero?
> > Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> > another channel?
>
> Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't
> you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor
> did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it
> once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light
> on 1050?
>
WTIX's daytime and nighttime signals more than overshoot the New Orleans market.
It could stand to lose a few watts. It doesn't need all that juice to run syndicated talk. Those Cajuns are way too privileged with AM signals anyway, having two class A 50 kWers -- WWL and KWKH. Florida has how many Class A's?
Try Zero?
P
preferprivacy
Guest
Re: WOKV's NIF is really high
Friends in the market report that at night, AM 690 barely covers Duval county with their highly-directional 10kw signal; as they are protecting station in Cuba (690), New Orleans (690), Birmingham (690), Raleigh (680).
Further, a friend familiar with the signal says night reception is pitiful in eastern Duval (the beaches) and fast-growing southern counties (Clay and St. Johns). He says that WOKV will gain a much stronger signal within current pattern, and expanded coverage at night to those areas.
As for moving to another frequency, isn't that why they moved WOKV to AM 690 from AM 600 in the first place (back in 1994)? AM-600 (5kw day and night) had a better night signal, but didn't penetrate offices during the day.
> > > Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> > > another channel?
> >
> > Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't
> > you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor
> > did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it
>
> > once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light
>
> > on 1050?
> >
>
> WTIX's daytime and nighttime signals more than overshoot the
> New Orleans market.
> It could stand to lose a few watts. It doesn't need all that
> juice to run syndicated talk. Those Cajuns are way too
> privileged with AM signals anyway, having two class A 50
> kWers -- WWL and KWKH. Florida has how many Class A's?
> Try Zero?
>
Friends in the market report that at night, AM 690 barely covers Duval county with their highly-directional 10kw signal; as they are protecting station in Cuba (690), New Orleans (690), Birmingham (690), Raleigh (680).
Further, a friend familiar with the signal says night reception is pitiful in eastern Duval (the beaches) and fast-growing southern counties (Clay and St. Johns). He says that WOKV will gain a much stronger signal within current pattern, and expanded coverage at night to those areas.
As for moving to another frequency, isn't that why they moved WOKV to AM 690 from AM 600 in the first place (back in 1994)? AM-600 (5kw day and night) had a better night signal, but didn't penetrate offices during the day.
> > > Why not just buy TIX and shut them down or move them to
> > > another channel?
> >
> > Gee, a little selfish of you with those poor Cajuns don't
> > you think?? You want to castrate the poor WTIX like Jacor
> > did with WJCM in Sebring, taking it from the powerhouse it
>
> > once was on 960 and turning it into a Christmas tree light
>
> > on 1050?
> >
>
> WTIX's daytime and nighttime signals more than overshoot the
> New Orleans market.
> It could stand to lose a few watts. It doesn't need all that
> juice to run syndicated talk. Those Cajuns are way too
> privileged with AM signals anyway, having two class A 50
> kWers -- WWL and KWKH. Florida has how many Class A's?
> Try Zero?
>
Re: WOKV's NIF is really high
Am no engineer (and somewhere in dusty files there are transmitter logs with my signature to prove it)......
But it seems that WOKV has enough towers to rig up a looser nighttime lobe toward the southeast. That'd give them better signal into St. Augustone at night without going near -- in fact going away from -- N.O., Raleigh, Cuba, Montreal, etc.
Yes, no?
Am no engineer (and somewhere in dusty files there are transmitter logs with my signature to prove it)......
But it seems that WOKV has enough towers to rig up a looser nighttime lobe toward the southeast. That'd give them better signal into St. Augustone at night without going near -- in fact going away from -- N.O., Raleigh, Cuba, Montreal, etc.
Yes, no?
F
FloridaBear1776
Guest
The problem is called Anguilla...
A tiny British controlled island off Puerto Rico has its own 50,000 watt station on 690 which WOKV must protect.
A tiny British controlled island off Puerto Rico has its own 50,000 watt station on 690 which WOKV must protect.
B
bossmsx
Guest
Dr. Gene Scott lives on.....
So what is Anguilla running now that Dr. Gene Scott is dead?? I've never been able to hear either 690 or 1610 from here in Miami, but I must admit what I've heard on the Dr's shortwave frequencies is infinitely more interesting than whatever 'also-ran' Satellite programming WOKV would ever be capable of running.
So what is Anguilla running now that Dr. Gene Scott is dead?? I've never been able to hear either 690 or 1610 from here in Miami, but I must admit what I've heard on the Dr's shortwave frequencies is infinitely more interesting than whatever 'also-ran' Satellite programming WOKV would ever be capable of running.
P
preferprivacy
Guest
Re: Dr. Gene Scott lives on.....
Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking 25-54).
Why is that?
Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and serves them?
You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they are all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the station has a rather large news dept.
But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami, on what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
> So what is Anguilla running now that Dr. Gene Scott is
> dead?? I've never been able to hear either 690 or 1610 from
> here in Miami, but I must admit what I've heard on the Dr's
> shortwave frequencies is infinitely more interesting than
> whatever 'also-ran' Satellite programming WOKV would ever be
> capable of running.
>
Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking 25-54).
Why is that?
Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and serves them?
You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they are all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the station has a rather large news dept.
But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami, on what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
> So what is Anguilla running now that Dr. Gene Scott is
> dead?? I've never been able to hear either 690 or 1610 from
> here in Miami, but I must admit what I've heard on the Dr's
> shortwave frequencies is infinitely more interesting than
> whatever 'also-ran' Satellite programming WOKV would ever be
> capable of running.
>
F
FloridaBear1776
Guest
Re: Dr. Gene Scott lives on.....
WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself. Most Top 50 cities had a local talker with local shows in the talk radio gestation period before syndication got big in the 80s. Jacksonville did not. Almost all local shows in Jax have been brokered on marginal signals. WOKV signed on in 1982 at 600 with a nearly all satellite lineup and has been that way ever since. Jacksonville is sort of like Las Vegas in that its growth spurt has come after the 70s/80s, so it acts like a smaller market than it is.
But if 690 is such a great performer, why doesn't Cox cough up the cash and buy out some of those stations interfering with it at night? Anguilla would be tough because the State Department would have to get involved. But buying out WTIX (which is what I hear under WOKV at night) would be a no-brainer. It isn't even owned by a large company IIRC.
> Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
>
> A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the
> top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking 25-54).
>
> Why is that?
>
> Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and serves
> them?
>
> You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they are
> all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the station
> has a rather large news dept.
>
> But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami, on
> what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
>
WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself. Most Top 50 cities had a local talker with local shows in the talk radio gestation period before syndication got big in the 80s. Jacksonville did not. Almost all local shows in Jax have been brokered on marginal signals. WOKV signed on in 1982 at 600 with a nearly all satellite lineup and has been that way ever since. Jacksonville is sort of like Las Vegas in that its growth spurt has come after the 70s/80s, so it acts like a smaller market than it is.
But if 690 is such a great performer, why doesn't Cox cough up the cash and buy out some of those stations interfering with it at night? Anguilla would be tough because the State Department would have to get involved. But buying out WTIX (which is what I hear under WOKV at night) would be a no-brainer. It isn't even owned by a large company IIRC.
> Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
>
> A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the
> top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking 25-54).
>
> Why is that?
>
> Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and serves
> them?
>
> You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they are
> all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the station
> has a rather large news dept.
>
> But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami, on
> what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
>
Re: Dr. Gene Scott lives on.....
690- WOKV has had some local talk shows in the middle toward later 90s AM/PM Drive and I think one after PM Drive as well.
I don't have the opportunity right now to dig out the promos recorded off the air when I sampled the station back then.
Anguilla's 690 is a non-performer, I'm doubting it's operating at is rated power, and probably hasn't for a long time (like XERF 1570 had been doing until just very recently; it was using 10kw out of 150kw)...
Al Mauti
Aircheck Enthusiast / most formats
Palm Coast, FL
> WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an
> FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated
> route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a
> year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest
> thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it
> was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself.
>
690- WOKV has had some local talk shows in the middle toward later 90s AM/PM Drive and I think one after PM Drive as well.
I don't have the opportunity right now to dig out the promos recorded off the air when I sampled the station back then.
Anguilla's 690 is a non-performer, I'm doubting it's operating at is rated power, and probably hasn't for a long time (like XERF 1570 had been doing until just very recently; it was using 10kw out of 150kw)...
Al Mauti
Aircheck Enthusiast / most formats
Palm Coast, FL
> WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an
> FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated
> route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a
> year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest
> thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it
> was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself.
>
Re: Dr. Gene Scott lives on.....
>From a programming angle - As far as I can determine, the closest thing Jacksonville had to a talk station back in the 70's was the city owned WJAX 930. This market never had a heritage news/talk station like WSB Atlanta or WDBO Orlando. A few years ago, after it landed on 690, Cox finally decided to build WOKV into somewhat of a clone of their bigger siblings. To their credit, they have become a ratings leader in their target demos. It certainly still doesn't sound as polished as it's bigger city counterparts, but unless challenged, they probably never will. I doubt any company is going to put up the cash needed to fund an excellent news/talk alternative - the economics would be difficult in a market this size, at this time.
On a technical note:
Let's remember the history of what was WAPE 690... it was a non-directional daytimer until about 1962 from it's site south of Orange Park. (25kw later 50kw) The Brennan's finally got the nighttime array approved with 6 towers at a separate site just east of Baldwin in western Duval county at 10kw. 690 is a Canadian clear channel so they couldn't radiate north at night from OP, and, for whatever reason, we honor the international treaties with countries like Cuba who don't honor the same agreements, so they couldn't put and array north of town in the swamps and aim the signal south. WTIX already had an established butterfly pattern with lobes to the west and east of New Orleans with 5kw at night. That's why the towers were put in western Duval for WAPE - in other words, they had to accept the potential background noise from 'TIX in order to get a nighttime signal back in the '60's in order to be competitive and profitable (wouldn't have happened as a daytimer). So I congratulate Cox for finally getting a power upgrade to 25kw at night. Since the interference rules have been relaxed, it would seem to make sense to open up their nighttime pattern to the south in order to serve the fast growing area between Jax and St. Augustine. But the FCC may never allow it, so that will remain to be seen.
WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an
> FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated
> route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a
> year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest
> thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it
> was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself.
> Most Top 50 cities had a local talker with local shows in
> the talk radio gestation period before syndication got big
> in the 80s. Jacksonville did not. Almost all local shows in
> Jax have been brokered on marginal signals. WOKV signed on
> in 1982 at 600 with a nearly all satellite lineup and has
> been that way ever since. Jacksonville is sort of like Las
> Vegas in that its growth spurt has come after the 70s/80s,
> so it acts like a smaller market than it is.
>
> But if 690 is such a great performer, why doesn't Cox cough
> up the cash and buy out some of those stations interfering
> with it at night? Anguilla would be tough because the State
> Department would have to get involved. But buying out WTIX
> (which is what I hear under WOKV at night) would be a
> no-brainer. It isn't even owned by a large company IIRC.
>
> > Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
>
> >
> > A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the
> > top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking
> 25-54).
> >
> > Why is that?
> >
> > Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and
> serves
> > them?
> >
> > You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they
> are
> > all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the
> station
> > has a rather large news dept.
> >
> > But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami,
> on
> > what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
> >
>
>From a programming angle - As far as I can determine, the closest thing Jacksonville had to a talk station back in the 70's was the city owned WJAX 930. This market never had a heritage news/talk station like WSB Atlanta or WDBO Orlando. A few years ago, after it landed on 690, Cox finally decided to build WOKV into somewhat of a clone of their bigger siblings. To their credit, they have become a ratings leader in their target demos. It certainly still doesn't sound as polished as it's bigger city counterparts, but unless challenged, they probably never will. I doubt any company is going to put up the cash needed to fund an excellent news/talk alternative - the economics would be difficult in a market this size, at this time.
On a technical note:
Let's remember the history of what was WAPE 690... it was a non-directional daytimer until about 1962 from it's site south of Orange Park. (25kw later 50kw) The Brennan's finally got the nighttime array approved with 6 towers at a separate site just east of Baldwin in western Duval county at 10kw. 690 is a Canadian clear channel so they couldn't radiate north at night from OP, and, for whatever reason, we honor the international treaties with countries like Cuba who don't honor the same agreements, so they couldn't put and array north of town in the swamps and aim the signal south. WTIX already had an established butterfly pattern with lobes to the west and east of New Orleans with 5kw at night. That's why the towers were put in western Duval for WAPE - in other words, they had to accept the potential background noise from 'TIX in order to get a nighttime signal back in the '60's in order to be competitive and profitable (wouldn't have happened as a daytimer). So I congratulate Cox for finally getting a power upgrade to 25kw at night. Since the interference rules have been relaxed, it would seem to make sense to open up their nighttime pattern to the south in order to serve the fast growing area between Jax and St. Augustine. But the FCC may never allow it, so that will remain to be seen.
WOKV has never had any serious competition. Paxson put on an
> FM talker that was directionless. It tried the syndicated
> route and didn't develop any local talk, and was gone in a
> year or two. 690 under another callsign was the closest
> thing OKV ever had to competition in the early 90s -- and it
> was pretty lame. The problem is with Jacksonville itself.
> Most Top 50 cities had a local talker with local shows in
> the talk radio gestation period before syndication got big
> in the 80s. Jacksonville did not. Almost all local shows in
> Jax have been brokered on marginal signals. WOKV signed on
> in 1982 at 600 with a nearly all satellite lineup and has
> been that way ever since. Jacksonville is sort of like Las
> Vegas in that its growth spurt has come after the 70s/80s,
> so it acts like a smaller market than it is.
>
> But if 690 is such a great performer, why doesn't Cox cough
> up the cash and buy out some of those stations interfering
> with it at night? Anguilla would be tough because the State
> Department would have to get involved. But buying out WTIX
> (which is what I hear under WOKV at night) would be a
> no-brainer. It isn't even owned by a large company IIRC.
>
> > Certainly that's your opinion, but how about some facts...
>
> >
> > A quick look at the ratings shows that WOKV is one of the
> > top station in the market (forget 12+, I am talking
> 25-54).
> >
> > Why is that?
> >
> > Could it be that WOKV knows who their audience is and
> serves
> > them?
> >
> > You may not like Boortz, Limbaugh, and Hannity; but they
> are
> > all #1 in their timeslots in all key demos; and the
> station
> > has a rather large news dept.
> >
> > But, I am sure you know best, from your perch in Miami,
> on
> > what Jacksonville listeners SHOULD listening to.
> >
>
B
bossmsx
Guest
Cox Talk.
> 690- WOKV has had some local talk shows in the middle toward
> later 90s AM/PM Drive and I think one after PM Drive as
> well.
Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you on that.
Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
> 690- WOKV has had some local talk shows in the middle toward
> later 90s AM/PM Drive and I think one after PM Drive as
> well.
Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you on that.
Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
Re: Cox Talk.
Cox had the chance to be the first Hot Talk FM with the lineup they had at WIOD. Neil Rogers, Randy Rhodes, Rick and Suds, and the guy now in LA I can't think of his name would have been a powerhouse but can you imagine if they had added Howard Stern while he was in his prime. Ah, what could have been!
Cox probably decided it wasn't worth the trouble dealing with the complaints. Paxon sure killed a good thing.
Jeff
>
> Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly
> invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold
> it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local
> talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you
> on that.
>
> Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and
> Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
>
Cox had the chance to be the first Hot Talk FM with the lineup they had at WIOD. Neil Rogers, Randy Rhodes, Rick and Suds, and the guy now in LA I can't think of his name would have been a powerhouse but can you imagine if they had added Howard Stern while he was in his prime. Ah, what could have been!
Cox probably decided it wasn't worth the trouble dealing with the complaints. Paxon sure killed a good thing.
Jeff
>
> Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly
> invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold
> it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local
> talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you
> on that.
>
> Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and
> Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
>
P
preferprivacy
Guest
Re: Cox Talk.
A couple of points on this:
Was Phil Hendrie the talent you were trying to remember that was at WIOD when Cox owned it? Cox also owned KFI-AM in Los Angeles too and it was all-local.
Let's not forget that WSB has been quite successful for Boortz and Clark Howard.
Does the audience care about local? Obviously not, as the ratings for WOKV and WDBO seem pretty solid with network talk and heavy local news in the morning.
Don't see WIOD posting those kind of numbers.
Buying and closing WTIX wouldn't help WOKV one whit, they don't need the signal going west of Jax.
-PP
> Cox had the chance to be the first Hot Talk FM with the
> lineup they had at WIOD. Neil Rogers, Randy Rhodes, Rick
> and Suds, and the guy now in LA I can't think of his name
> would have been a powerhouse but can you imagine if they had
> added Howard Stern while he was in his prime. Ah, what
> could have been!
>
> Cox probably decided it wasn't worth the trouble dealing
> with the complaints. Paxon sure killed a good thing.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> >
> > Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly
> > invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold
>
> > it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local
> > talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you
>
> > on that.
> >
> > Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and
> > Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
> >
>
A couple of points on this:
Was Phil Hendrie the talent you were trying to remember that was at WIOD when Cox owned it? Cox also owned KFI-AM in Los Angeles too and it was all-local.
Let's not forget that WSB has been quite successful for Boortz and Clark Howard.
Does the audience care about local? Obviously not, as the ratings for WOKV and WDBO seem pretty solid with network talk and heavy local news in the morning.
Don't see WIOD posting those kind of numbers.
Buying and closing WTIX wouldn't help WOKV one whit, they don't need the signal going west of Jax.
-PP
> Cox had the chance to be the first Hot Talk FM with the
> lineup they had at WIOD. Neil Rogers, Randy Rhodes, Rick
> and Suds, and the guy now in LA I can't think of his name
> would have been a powerhouse but can you imagine if they had
> added Howard Stern while he was in his prime. Ah, what
> could have been!
>
> Cox probably decided it wasn't worth the trouble dealing
> with the complaints. Paxon sure killed a good thing.
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> Jeff
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> >
> > Yeah, this is Cox....Last Talk station they thoroughly
> > invested in local talent was WIOD in Miami, then they sold
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> > it citing it was 'too expensive to run'. How many local
> > talkers are on IOD now under CC?? Um, let me return to you
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> > on that.
> >
> > Oh yeah, WSUN Tampa, too, during the "Ron & Ron", and
> > Spivey, and Hooters Girls era...How long did that last??
> >
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