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7 P.M. News

Re: 7 P.M. News -- Back to the Future

I seem to remember a trend in the 80's toward starting 7pm newscasts. Specifically, I know that stations in Seattle (KIRO) and Providence (WLNE and WJAR) started 7pm newscasts. The experiments were short-lived, IIRC.

As usual, there are no new ideas (only recycled ideas). ::)
 
Re: 7 P.M. News -- Back to the Future

formeraa said:
Specifically, I know that stations in Seattle (KIRO) and Providence (WLNE and WJAR) started 7pm newscasts. The experiments were short-lived, IIRC.
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Since they lost the KingWorld shows and got sued for 5 million, WLNE has introduced a 7 PM newscast, meaning they air news from 4:00-5:00 PM, 6:00-6:30 PM, and 7:00-7:30 PM. Kind of a weird schedule, but I guess they've found their niche in airing newscasts when other stations don't.
 
WSET expanded the 6PM news to an hour when they lost Wheel and Jeopardy to WDBJ and bumped World News Tonight to 7PM. Soon after, they flipped it and now have a half-hour of news at 7PM.

WSET airs no news at 5 due to Oprah.

- Trip
 
New Yorks WNBC tried the 7pm slot for awhile and run Extra at 5:30pm.I wonder what happen.Did they had bad ratings going against with ch2's ET/Insider.Ch7 's Jeopardy and sicoms on the other stations at the same time slot.
 
There was a trend toward running network news
at 7 in the early '80s; in five markets (New York,
Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, and Atlanta)
all three network newscasts aired at 7. And I
remember that, of fifteen network affiliates between
Raleigh/Durham and Atlanta, nine of them carried their
network news at 7. The rise of "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!"
pretty much ended this trend; only WSB still has its
network news at 7 (as does WRC Washington).

Right now in these parts only two North Carolina
stations are doing a 7 PM newscast: WBTV Charlotte
and WNCN Raleigh/Durham (theirs is an hour). But
six stations in South Carolina: WIS and WLTX Columbia,
WCIV and WCSC Charleston, WSPA Spartanburg, and
WPDE Florence/Myrtle Beach, have a 7 PM local news.
There are 4 PM newscasts on WCNC Charlotte, WCSC
Charleston, and WMBF Florence/Myrtle Beach.

In Atlanta, WGCL is doing a 4 PM news, and WXIA has
a 7 PM one (neither does a 5 PM news, Ch. 11 has Dr.
Phil, while Ch. 46 has Ellen DeGeneres). There are also
7 PM newscasts in Knoxville (WVLT) and Louisville (WAVE),
and I believe WOWK Charleston/Huntington has one as well.
 
bpatrick said:
There was a trend toward running network news at 7 in the early '80s; in five markets (New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, and Atlanta) all three network newscasts aired at 7. And I remember that, of fifteen network affiliates between Raleigh/Durham and Atlanta, nine of them carried their network news at 7. The rise of "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" pretty much ended this trend; only WSB still has its
network news at 7 (as does WRC Washington).
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In Atlanta, WGCL is doing a 4 PM news, and WXIA has a 7 PM one (neither does a 5 PM news, Ch. 11 has Dr. Phil, while Ch. 46 has Ellen DeGeneres). There are also 7 PM newscasts in Knoxville (WVLT) and Louisville (WAVE), and I believe WOWK Charleston/Huntington has one as well.
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WSB-TV has no incentive to move network news. They are number one with Oprah at 4, Local news at 5 and 6, and ABC World News at 7. WXIA and WGCL are trying new things...because they cannot beat or even get close to WSB-TV...period.

In major markets...where commutes seem to get longer and longer...it seems that later newscasts would be a better option. If it means more eyeballs (and since all ad-time can be sold locally during news...money), it may become a trend.
 
Re: 7 P.M. News -- Back to the Future

formeraa said:
I seem to remember a trend in the 80's toward starting 7pm newscasts. Specifically, I know that stations in Seattle (KIRO) and Providence (WLNE and WJAR) started 7pm newscasts. The experiments were short-lived, IIRC.

As usual, there are no new ideas (only recycled ideas). ::)
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I Recall KPLR (St. Louis) Had A 7pm newscast in the early 90's up to the WB affiliation
 
Re: 7 P.M. News -- Back to the Future

PDXREXX said:
formeraa said:
I seem to remember a trend in the 80's toward starting 7pm newscasts. Specifically, I know that stations in Seattle (KIRO) and Providence (WLNE and WJAR) started 7pm newscasts. The experiments were short-lived, IIRC.

As usual, there are no new ideas (only recycled ideas). ::)
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I Recall KPLR (St. Louis) Had A 7pm newscast in the early 90's up to the WB affiliation
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And they have again at 7pm since September as part of an attempt to increase CW ratings (which airs 8-10pm to the end of regular network primetime). A couple months later when KTVI's operations were merged into KPLR's facilities as part of the Local TV/Tribune management agreement, it then became a way to avoid competing with their...roommate's (can't really call it a sister since the stations still have different ownership) newscasts. I'm guessing it's all a part to shine up the station so that KPLR can finally get the ABC affiliation they should've gotten in 1995 in the first place, but Tribune was behind the WB so they had to go with them. Of course KDNL got ABC, KDNL has criminally low ratings for network programming that make your average TBN station look like a market leader...you know the tale.
 
jal41 said:
bpatrick said:
There was a trend toward running network news at 7 in the early '80s; in five markets (New York, Los Angeles, Washington, Boston, and Atlanta) all three network newscasts aired at 7. And I remember that, of fifteen network affiliates between Raleigh/Durham and Atlanta, nine of them carried their network news at 7. The rise of "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" pretty much ended this trend; only WSB still has its
network news at 7 (as does WRC Washington).
......
In Atlanta, WGCL is doing a 4 PM news, and WXIA has a 7 PM one (neither does a 5 PM news, Ch. 11 has Dr. Phil, while Ch. 46 has Ellen DeGeneres). There are also 7 PM newscasts in Knoxville (WVLT) and Louisville (WAVE), and I believe WOWK Charleston/Huntington has one as well.
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WSB-TV has no incentive to move network news. They are number one with Oprah at 4, Local news at 5 and 6, and ABC World News at 7. WXIA and WGCL are trying new things...because they cannot beat or even get close to WSB-TV...period.

In major markets...where commutes seem to get longer and longer...it seems that later newscasts would be a better option. If it means more eyeballs (and since all ad-time can be sold locally during news...money), it may become a trend.
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Even though only two ABC affiliates carry "World News" at 7/6 Central (the affiliate in Montgomery, AL is the other), I don't think WSB will move it to 6:30; I don't even think Atlanta viewers want such a change. (Interestingly-- and perhaps it was a face-saving statement,--when WSB and WXIA switched, WXIA was confident that it would inherit the NBC news audience. Didn't happen.)

It's interesting, though, that the United States is one of the few countries where the network news airs in the early evening (and has since 1948, the very dawn of television). When I consider that Canada's "The National/The Journal" and Mexico's "24 Horas" air at 10 or later, I go back to my argument for a later network newscast. Barring that, look at what some Fox affiliates are doing at 10/9; WBRC Birmingham comes to mind, with a 9 PM newscast that gets in the neighborhood of 55-60 shares. So I'm totally in agreement about later news.

One question re Fort Myers: what happens to "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!"?
 
tripinva said:
WSET expanded the 6PM news to an hour when they lost Wheel and Jeopardy to WDBJ and bumped World News Tonight to 7PM. Soon after, they flipped it and now have a half-hour of news at 7PM.

WSET airs no news at 5 due to Oprah.

- Trip
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Even though it didn't last, I believe WSET still holds the "honor" of having and doing the only 60 minute 6PM local newscast in the history of Virginia TV. Richmond and Hampton Roads, despite being bigger markets I don't think they ever did. But WSET may lose that "honor" within the next 6 months as Harrisonburg's WHSV is planning to do the 6pm hour long newscast thing...but not for Harrisonburg but rather for WHSV-DT 49.3 's "TV3 Winchester". The other night I heard their anchor saying something like "..coming soon a full hour of local news at six".

Also the other day I drove by Gray/WHSV's Winchester studios and noticed two of their cars not only had the regular "TV3 Winchester" logo but also the words "Eyewitness News" a brand that I have yet to hear on the air on the air at either WHSV DT 49.1 or WHSV DT 49.3. Maybe Gray has plans on using "Eyewitness News" for their Shenandoah Valley news broadcasts in the future.
 
Was it back in 60s and 70s the network news was allways on at 7pm.I remember tuning in Uncle Walter at 7pm at the time,but i dont remember if Harry Reasoner,Howard K Smith,Frank Reynolds,John Chancellor and others were at 7pm.
 
WPPCProductions said:
Was it back in 60s and 70s the network news was allways on at 7pm.I remember tuning in Uncle Walter at 7pm at the time,but i dont remember if...(snip)...others were at 7pm.
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Again, it depends on the market and stations within a given market.

The netcasts are live at 6:30 ET, refeed at 7 ET (updated if/when
warranted).

ABC marched to a bit of a different drummer back then, as they didn't
expand from 15 to 30 minutes until sometime in 1967, and for some time
after that their first feed was at 6 ET. Some have said that was sort of
a "practice show" for the 6:30 feed, so I don't know if ABC was always
live at both 6 and 6:30. bpatrick?
 
Not having ever lived in the Eastern Time Zone, or having ever worked an 8-5 job, I can't say how I would feel about news at 7:00. It makes logical sense to me - you get more eyeballs, people aren't trying to make dinner at the same time... but simultaneously maybe people prefer to watch entertainment programming after getting home from a stressful day at work.
 
JayR said:
bpatrick said:
One question re Fort Myers: what happens to "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!"?
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Nothing. The 7 p.m. news will air on WZVN "ABC 7."
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Per the original post, NBC-2 will "produce" a 7 PM newscast for ABC-7. Aren't they both owned by the same broadcaster, Waterman? What's wrong with "ABC-7 News At 7"? Or is NBC-2 the bigger news brand in Southwest Florida? I can see if they had a "My" or "CW" station that they were producing a newscast for and giving it the NBC-2 branding, but to do so for an ABC affiliate... boy, they must be in more dire straits than KDNL!
 
DToTheJ said:
Per the original post, NBC-2 will "produce" a 7 PM newscast for ABC-7. Aren't they both owned by the same broadcaster, Waterman? What's wrong with "ABC-7 News At 7"? Or is NBC-2 the bigger news brand in Southwest Florida? I can see if they had a "My" or "CW" station that they were producing a newscast for and giving it the NBC-2 branding, but to do so for an ABC affiliate... boy, they must be in more dire straits than KDNL!
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Waterman programs WZVN "ABC 7" under a local marketing agreement. WZVN is owned by Montclair.
 
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