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710... 1050... I Have A Vision...

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DiamondJoe

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Okay, it'll probably never happen, but picture this:

ABC/Citadel and Buckley swap ownership of their 710 and 1050 frequencies. Buckley has been steadfast to cripple, er, protect the strong-signaled 710 for the longest time, so just assume ABC/Citadel really breaks the bank for them...

And in the end, you have:

"710 ESPN"

and

"1050 WEVD"

Who's with me?<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
So far, Buckley hasn't sold his stand-alone AM. One can only guess that several companies came at him with offers in the go-go days of consolidation. ABC has been woefully unagressive in acquisions. The ones it made were for the Disney and ESPN brand, leaving WABC and WPLJ as the only ABC-branded stations that will go to Citadel. I'm guessing that Citadel will have a more aggressive attitude about acquisition. Granted, there are not a lot of signals in-play but I would not be surprised to see them sniffing around.

If Buckley is approached by Citadel/ABC I would not be surprised if they would also invite Clear Channel to participate in a bidding war, and I would not be surprised if either Citadel or Clear Channel got WOR.

Bu the way, if you're changing call letters again at 1050, how about bringing back WHN?
 
> By the way, if you're changing call letters again at 1050,
> how about bringing back WHN?

Nice thought, but negative. Once a three-letter call has been changed, it cannot be rescinded from the FCC database. Which is why whoever does ultimately ends up with 710 and changes it to sports, news, whatever, should keep the WOR calls intact.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
> Nice thought, but negative. Once a three-letter call has
> been changed, it cannot be rescinded from the FCC database.
> Which is why whoever does ultimately ends up with 710 and
> changes it to sports, news, whatever, should keep the WOR
> calls intact.

That is, unless your new callsign sounds like ca-ca. (See the KHJ incident, for which the FCC should be spanked.)
 
> > Nice thought, but negative. Once a three-letter call has
> > been changed, it cannot be rescinded from the FCC
> database.


I always thought if a station gave up a 3-letter call sign, that station was the only one who could subsequently request them back and get them. Has that changed over the years?
 
> > > Nice thought, but negative. Once a three-letter call has
>
> > > been changed, it cannot be rescinded from the FCC
> > database.
>
>
> I always thought if a station gave up a 3-letter call sign,
> that station was the only one who could subsequently request
> them back and get them. Has that changed over the years?

The call can be swapped in a market under a common owner, as has happened. And the same station can only recover a former 3 letter call if it is under the same ownership still. The only exception was KKHJ, which somehow got permission to return to KHJ two owners later... on a totally bogus pretense.
>
 
The
> only exception was KKHJ, which somehow got permission to
> return to KHJ two owners later... on a totally bogus
> pretense.
> >
>
Ok, I'll bite...
How was it bogus?
 
> The
> > only exception was KKHJ, which somehow got permission to
> > return to KHJ two owners later... on a totally bogus
> > pretense.
> > >
> >
> Ok, I'll bite...
> How was it bogus?
>

KKHJ was a Spanish station. They asked for those calls when they became Spanish. However, they filed with the FCC 8 years later to say that listeners would be offended by the calls, since, in Spanish, the double K sounds like "caca" which means "poop." The FCC bought the argument.

However, the station never said calls in Spanish. Only used 'em once per hour in English for the legal ID. So the reasoning was totally false.
 
> Okay, it'll probably never happen, but picture this:
>
> ABC/Citadel and Buckley swap ownership of their 710 and 1050
> frequencies. Buckley has been steadfast to cripple, er,
> protect the strong-signaled 710 for the longest time, so
> just assume ABC/Citadel really breaks the bank for them...
>
> And in the end, you have:
>
> "710 ESPN"
>
> and
>
> "1050 WEVD"
>
> Who's with me?
>




eoooooooo!! Someone wants to move ESPN radio almost right next to WFAN. haha. Nice thought.
 
No retakes on three-letter calls? What about....

WJZ which was removed from 770 by ABC in 1953 and reclaimed by Westinghouse for its Baltimore TV station?

Or specific to this frequency, WHN which changed to WMGM in 1950 under Loew's, then returned to WHN in 1962 under Storer?
 
Re: No retakes on three-letter calls? What about....

> WJZ which was removed from 770 by ABC in 1953 and reclaimed
> by Westinghouse for its Baltimore TV station?
>
> Or specific to this frequency, WHN which changed to WMGM in
> 1950 under Loew's, then returned to WHN in 1962 under
> Storer?

But those were not under the current rules, I believe. I don't know when the current administrative rule went into effect, but believe it was in the 80's.
>
 
> > By the way, if you're changing call letters again at 1050,
>
> > how about bringing back WHN?
>
> Nice thought, but negative. Once a three-letter call has
> been changed, it cannot be rescinded from the FCC database.
> Which is why whoever does ultimately ends up with 710 and
> changes it to sports, news, whatever, should keep the WOR
> calls intact.
>

The WHN calls can be returned to 1050. The FCC does allow for "heritage" 3-letter calls to be returned to their original frequency and/or moved to a co-owned station in the same market. For instance, the WHK calls in Cleveland were historically at 1420. They moved to 1220 when 1420 was sold, and then moved back to 1420 when Salem purchased the station back. That "caca' story is just that... urban legend. They simply returned the KHJ calls to the heritage frequency after KHJ-TV gave them up and became KCAL. Some years ago, the KRE calls made a comeback in Berkeley, Calif., the WHN calls returned to 1050 in 1962 after a stint as WMGM. The KYW calls were moved from Cleveland to Philadelphia in 1965.
 
I thought it was crass and blasphemous when they put such a crappy format on the hallowed 660 frequency, they might as well put an equally crappy format on the hallowed 710 frequency. Everyone knows bad management is forever

Okay, it'll probably never happen, but picture this:
> >
> > ABC/Citadel and Buckley swap ownership of their 710 and
> 1050
> > frequencies. Buckley has been steadfast to cripple, er,
> > protect the strong-signaled 710 for the longest time, so
> > just assume ABC/Citadel really breaks the bank for them...
>
> >
> > And in the end, you have:
> >
> > "710 ESPN"
> >
> > and
> >
> > "1050 WEVD"
> >
> > Who's with me?
> >
>
>
>
>
> eoooooooo!! Someone wants to move ESPN radio almost right
> next to WFAN. haha. Nice thought.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Norm Rosen
</P>
 
> I thought it was crass and blasphemous when they put such a
> crappy format on the hallowed 660 frequency, they might as
> well put an equally crappy format on the hallowed 710
> frequency. Everyone knows bad management is forever

Why is WFAN a crappy format? This was the first all sports station, and represented a real breakthrough in innovative ideas for AM stations when the talk options were pretty much filled.
 
> Why is WFAN a crappy format? This was the first all sports
> station, and represented a real breakthrough in innovative
> ideas for AM stations when the talk options were pretty much
> filled.
>

Amen!
 
Re: wrong.

>
> The WHN calls can be returned to 1050. The FCC does allow
> for "heritage" 3-letter calls to be returned to their
> original frequency and/or moved to a co-owned station in the
> same market.

This can be done only if the station is under ownership of the same licensee as owned it when the three-letter calls were dropped. 1050 ceased being WHN when it became WEVD (The SBS swap, I believe) and is not under the same ownership at all. It can not become WHN again.


> For instance, the WHK calls in Cleveland were
> historically at 1420. They moved to 1220 when 1420 was
> sold, and then moved back to 1420 when Salem purchased the
> station back.

But they were moved by the licensee who held them at the time. If I recall, the calls moved, but were never in disuse.

> That "caca' story is just that... urban
> legend. They simply returned the KHJ calls to the heritage
> frequency after KHJ-TV gave them up and became KCAL.

Wrong. I have seen the FCC filing (I was OM of KKHJ) and it asks for a waiver of the "original owner" rule because the calls were "discovered" by the current licensee to have a dirty meaning when said in Spanish.

> Some
> years ago, the KRE calls made a comeback in Berkeley,
> Calif., the WHN calls returned to 1050 in 1962 after a stint
> as WMGM.

1962 was prior to the "same owner" recover rule. Storer put WHN back on 1050 when they owned the station.

> The KYW calls were moved from Cleveland to
> Philadelphia in 1965.

This is a complex legal issue. Westinghouse was forced to sell KYW in Philly to NBC under threat of loss of affiliation, and were given the Cleveland stations, TV included. The FCC later ruled that the situation was done under duress and that the deal had to be reversed. So KYW was put back in Philly under Westinghouse. Again, this was way before the current rule.
>
 
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