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710 WOR heard in Tampa!

WCBS was dominated by the Cuban.

WABC was barely listenable which is a little better than normal but nothing unusual.

WFAN was the same, on top of the others on the frequency but just barely too.

When I first heard what I thought was WOR under the Cuban and WAQI, I could hardly hear it but really hit me by surprise.

It came in as good as it did for a short time and then that was it, kind of like the times I've heard KFI. I always assumed WOR was impossible to hear down here but what a surprise. Who knew?
 
gar fla said:
WCBS was dominated by the Cuban.

WABC was barely listenable which is a little better than normal but nothing unusual.

WFAN was the same, on top of the others on the frequency but just barely too.

When I first heard what I thought was WOR under the Cuban and WAQI, I could hardly hear it but really hit me by surprise.

It came in as good as it did for a short time and then that was it, kind of like the times I've heard KFI. I always assumed WOR was impossible to hear down here but what a surprise. Who knew?
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I guess you were listening at the right place & the right time.
 
I recall mentioning that WOR might be an Atlantic Coast reception in Florida, possibly even in the day. In Norfolk VA many years ago, I got WOR on a clock radio in the afteroon. It was, iIrc, the only NYC station I heard that trip. While a good deal of it was water-path, *some* of the day pattern must've gone that way, because we were in north Norfolk, a half-block off Tidewater Drive and not exactly on any beach. I'm thinking a lot of the remaining miles of the signal was enhanced by Chesapeake Bay.

But it'd've be stretching it to say that the signal would have enough momentum to cross Florida -- and especially amid the co-channel interference in that state.

Nice catch, Gar! Wanna try for WADO 1280 next? They do send some nighttime juice in that direction, just as WOR does.
 
I recall mentioning that WOR might be an Atlantic Coast reception in Florida, possibly even in the day.
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Never at all during the day because their transmitter is over in North Jersey. Way too much land to cover.

Same with WABC and others in that location.

WCBS and WFAN are the only ones that could reach Florida's east coast daytime because their stick is out on Long Island, High Island near Queens. That greatly reduces the amount of land to cross between there and Florida.

Unlike WFAN, WABC, and WCBS, WOR is directional and I would guess partly because of WAQI 710 in Miami.

710 here in Tampa has always been the same night and day, just the Miami and the Cuban station that seem to be battling with each other.

Then for a short time last night, WOR sneaks in and beats them BOTH. :)
 
Does anyone know why WOR operates with a directional array?
They were licensed on their current frequency in 1927.
Perhaps they installed a DA to better penetrate NYC?
If so, it's much like 1030/WBZ. They went directional so as to put a better signal over land rather than wasting a lot of power over the Atlantic Ocean.
Nonetheless, hearing WOR in Tampa was a very good catch. Tampa is on the side of the WOR minor lobe. ERP in that direction would be somewhere around 10kw.
Congratulations!
 
frankberry said:
Does anyone know why WOR operates with a directional array?
They were licensed on their current frequency in 1927.
Perhaps they installed a DA to better penetrate NYC?
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There is some indication that early one they wanted to cover Philly and NY at the point in the 30's that they went to 50 kw.

They were 500 watts in 1928... 3500 watts after the reallocations (1928). By 1935 they were 5 kw. The 50 kw increase was in 1936 or 1937... I could check, but the point is that when they increased power, stations on 700 and 720 had long been 50 kw, and 710 was a B clear, not an A.
 
DavidEduardo said:
frankberry said:
Does anyone know why WOR operates with a directional array?
They were licensed on their current frequency in 1927.
Perhaps they installed a DA to better penetrate NYC?
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There is some indication that early one they wanted to cover Philly and NY at the point in the 30's that they went to 50 kw.

They were 500 watts in 1928... 3500 watts after the reallocations (1928). By 1935 they were 5 kw. The 50 kw increase was in 1936 or 1937... I could check, but the point is that when they increased power, stations on 700 and 720 had long been 50 kw, and 710 was a B clear, not an A.
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That was pretty much the story that I had heard. They (WOR) wanted to cover both the NYC & Philly markets. In 1962 WNBC moved their directional facility from Port Washington Long Island to the ND facility of WCBS so they could cover the growing population on Long Island.
 
From having lived in South Jersey right outside Philly, WOR always had the strongest signal of all the NYC stations day or night.
 
gar fla said:
From having lived in South Jersey right outside Philly, WOR always had the strongest signal of all the NYC stations day or night.
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That's what I was told by a friend who lived in a Philly suburb.
 
In northern VA WOR usually has been the easiest to hear among the NYC 50kw stations, when hearing very weak daytime signals from NYC.
 
Good catch-the band is so darn cluttered in SW Fla. On a sep. note the 820 AM Tampa was really booming in around sunset in SC just N of Savannah on Mon nite and I even got a very faint WHO from Des Moines from that location.
Further N the Chi stations were really booming into New England-far stronger than usual so it's that silly season...
 
radioman148 said:
gar fla said:
From having lived in South Jersey right outside Philly, WOR always had the strongest signal of all the NYC stations day or night.
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That's what I was told by a friend who lived in a Philly suburb.
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During the day. At night, it could be (theoretically) - but it gets clobbered every single night by a Cuban and is generally unlistenable. That was the case in Chester County, at least.
 
radioman148 said:
That was pretty much the story that I had heard. They (WOR) wanted to cover both the NYC & Philly markets.
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Yes, I heard that as well, and in checking the lineup of stations on 710 post-NARBA Seattle's KIRO, like WOR, was operating with 50,000 watts full-time. KMPC, at that time licensed to Beverly Hills, was 10,000 watts full-time. The fourth station on the frequency was a late arrival; in 1942 WFTL Fort Lauderdale held a CP to move from 1400 kHz with 10,000 watts directional full-time.

So the main protection in the WOR pattern was toward Seattle, which of course still exists. Also, from what I can find the amount of radiation toward Miami over the years didn't change, despite a re-location of the WOR transmitter site, so WOR's southerly lobe toward WAQI is grandfathered since they were there first.

More info on WOR's early history can be found here, courtesy of Barry Mishkind: www.oldradio.com/archives/stations/ccs/worpix.htm
 
jd said:
The fourth station on the frequency was a late arrival; in 1942 WFTL Fort Lauderdale held a CP to move from 1400 kHz with 10,000 watts directional full-time.
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And that station was purchased by George Storer and eventually moved to Miami, and went through an FCC hearing and lots of accusations of fraud and such. The most interesting part of the story is George B Storer's open letter to the Chairman of the FCC published in the September 18, 1944 issue of Broadcasting.
 
BRNout said:
radioman148 said:
gar fla said:
From having lived in South Jersey right outside Philly, WOR always had the strongest signal of all the NYC stations day or night.
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That's what I was told by a friend who lived in a Philly suburb.
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During the day. At night, it could be (theoretically) - but it gets clobbered every single night by a Cuban and is generally unlistenable. That was the case in Chester County, at least.
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Even up here, north of the border, WOR can get pretty beat up by the Cuban, as they were last night...

~BG
 
Tincap said:
Even up here, north of the border, WOR can get pretty beat up by the Cuban, as they were last night...
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Apparently, it's not one but either three or four Cuban stations like fenceposts along the northern coast, each creating enough interferenced to block the huge night love of WAQI.
 
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