Lately it seems like WNYH is staying on their 25,000 watt daytime power at night, rather than cutting down to their licensed 43-watt nighttime signal. Here in central NJ if I null out CFZM from Toronto I can hear Asian talk on 740 kHz. When CFZM fades it's all I can hear on the channel. There's no way I could hear them clearly 60 miles away if they were only transmitting 43 watts.
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740 WNYH staying on daytime power at night
- Thread starter kevtronics
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Out here in PA, I've caught them a few times, in bright sunset light. Their Rx=Locator daytime pattern :
They send SOME day signal at us, even though we're like 70 miles west off the left edge of the map (same essential latitude as we are). And again, basically, that daytime signal of theirs is very similar to the days when they used just 5000 watts and only three towers. Once more, likewise, one could take them on an average car radio in their WGSM days all the way up the Palisades and into Haverstraw. That back lobe plus that of the similarly-signalled 3-tower WGLI came from when both stations had what were probably identical 5K daytime patterns.
But on WNYH's official *nighttime* pattern ?
In Central NJ ?!?!?!? Like kevtronics says ????
I'd just be guessing by suggesting that WNYH uses the same pattern at night, except it's just 24, 957 watts less. Heck -- it looks the same to me.
That especially huge, imploded null away from the SW is there day and night. I believe it's to protect omni WVCH Chester PA on 740 ; I could be wrong, But I can testify as to its existence back when I'd take the 'SOB'** north in broad daylight and could hear all of that wattage chewing itself to pieces in a hissy, gurgling audio rapture. True DX, lol.
** That's the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway
They send SOME day signal at us, even though we're like 70 miles west off the left edge of the map (same essential latitude as we are). And again, basically, that daytime signal of theirs is very similar to the days when they used just 5000 watts and only three towers. Once more, likewise, one could take them on an average car radio in their WGSM days all the way up the Palisades and into Haverstraw. That back lobe plus that of the similarly-signalled 3-tower WGLI came from when both stations had what were probably identical 5K daytime patterns.
But on WNYH's official *nighttime* pattern ?
In Central NJ ?!?!?!? Like kevtronics says ????
I'd just be guessing by suggesting that WNYH uses the same pattern at night, except it's just 24, 957 watts less. Heck -- it looks the same to me.
That especially huge, imploded null away from the SW is there day and night. I believe it's to protect omni WVCH Chester PA on 740 ; I could be wrong, But I can testify as to its existence back when I'd take the 'SOB'** north in broad daylight and could hear all of that wattage chewing itself to pieces in a hissy, gurgling audio rapture. True DX, lol.
** That's the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway
Usually here in NE Ohio I listen to CFZM at night with the occasional fade in/fade out of KRMG out of Tulsa, OK. or KTRH in Houston but lately hearing a smattering of Asian language every once in a while. So reading that they're staying on daytime power at night would explain me hearing the foreign language broadcasts.
The FCC does not mandate any particular method of making sure the power/mode changes are made on time.
Does the FCC even care about these violations anymore? I’ve seen quite a few messages on this board about stations running daytime power at night. Seems like the FCC hasn’t taken any action when the interference impacted another US station. I’d be shocked if they were to lift a finger over interference with a Canadian station unless Trudeau turns this into a diplomatic spat.
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qwertyuiop56
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I actually live where WNYH is clear during the daytime 50 miles away northeast, I saw videos online where WNYH was cutting in during the night on CFZM but for some reason I never actually experienced WNYH daytime signal during the nighttime in CT myself but instead WBWD 540 did also left the daytime signal alone during the nighttime a few times I tried to measure the nighttime signal. If the signals are lowered correctly, I'll still barely hear either stations during the night when the clear channel interference didn't happen yet 50 miles away.
Did you think of reaching out to the station with your inquiry or concerns or do you feel they are better illustrated here on a message board? Perhaps you could find the answer that you are looking for. Finding a "speculative" one here may not be the best approach short of throwing them under the bus without any and all details.
Isn't there an alarm to somebody that goes off if the station is on after it should be off, there should be?
I'll bet nobody in management listens to this station ,that includes the chief engr. It is like so many things today,the customer is asked to do the troubleshooting.
I heard a station down south that was on after sunset , I sent an E-mail to the owner ,via the stations website, "he'd said he'd look into it " ,it seemed to me I was getting in his way,like he knew they were on but didn't care. The station continued to be on some nights off others ,finally they are now off at night. I'll bet that owner or his chief engr never thought "ya know are station should be off now ,its automated ",let me turn on the radio and check to see its all working good ". Assuming they live anywhere near the station !
I'll bet nobody in management listens to this station ,that includes the chief engr. It is like so many things today,the customer is asked to do the troubleshooting.
I heard a station down south that was on after sunset , I sent an E-mail to the owner ,via the stations website, "he'd said he'd look into it " ,it seemed to me I was getting in his way,like he knew they were on but didn't care. The station continued to be on some nights off others ,finally they are now off at night. I'll bet that owner or his chief engr never thought "ya know are station should be off now ,its automated ",let me turn on the radio and check to see its all working good ". Assuming they live anywhere near the station !
From personal experience, most "rag tag AM day timers" rely on their contract engineer. If the transmitter is running at night when there is no revenue, it will increase the power bill. There are "outlaws" out there like pirates, but if anyone spends money to buy an existing station I doubt they would knowingly do things to put their investment in danger or increase their expenses.
A.) Not all stations have alarms set up. Some will and when a particularly important reading is out of tolerance, it will call or text someone.. but again, not all set it up.
4.) If you think WNYH has a chief engineer, i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. They have at most a very part time contract engineer.. I'd bet $20 on that.
A couple years ago, their contract engineer was a member of, and i think even admin of.. a facebook group where WKAJ came up... their day night pattern and power are drastically different in both regards and its obvious.. when people started calling them out and posting about it, he started silencing discussion about it.
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kenglish
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I don't think the FCC does anything until there is a complaint made, usually by an affected party. But, how many stations know that some of their listeners are being lost due to interference? They would need to receive complaints, investigate them, and either contact the offending station, or file a complaint with the FCC.
Station personnel in the immediate area of their transmitter may never know that potential listeners, further away, aren't getting a listenable signal.
Station personnel in the immediate area of their transmitter may never know that potential listeners, further away, aren't getting a listenable signal.
Back in the early 80s a station I had once worked at had to reduce its nightime power and change it's broadcast pattern so as no to interfere with adjacent stations out of state. [Had automated system to do that, DJ just had to turn around and check readings to make sure it had done its job] One night I was dialing across the dial and picked up the station when I shouldn't have been able to receive it. I called the hot line and let the on-air DJ know and his response was "Good, now people that never heard me before can listen to me. Besides, I'm not the CE and its not my problem." Stayed on daytime power and pattern for a week until one of the out of state stations called an complained [and filed a complaint with the FCC I believe]. From what I heard it was fixed within 15 minutes of that call and the CE and DJ got their ass chewed out big time. I don't know how the DJ kept his job.
your right about them most likely not having a chief engr ( force of habit ) ,how much ya want for the bridge ?
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kenglish
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When was the last time you saw a news story, on TV, in the paper, magazine or on-line, that told the general public why their stations change power/patterns at night....and why it is important that they do?
Most people don't have a clue. Many of them even work in broadcasting.
Most people don't have a clue. Many of them even work in broadcasting.
(Just after hitting the deadly 'send' button I realize that this rant probably belongs more on the DX forum ; sorry)
@ CSpence : That WKAJ reception hoopla indeed was from 7 Julys ago to the week. A special treat was hearing a new station with a 'K' anywhere in their call letters.
For what it's worth, and belying their daytime signal, they do not show up at all in the nearest book (Utica-Rome). I'm under the extinct impression that they wouldn't show up in a Metro Saint Johnsville survey, either.
But I'll take a new AM 'add' to the totals log any day -- legal or illegal wattage or any justification in between.
O/T somewhat ; mea culpa ......
@ whomever posted about reception of 860's WSBS from Vermont : God bless 'em! They sound like a real treat. Of course it's moot to bother speculating how effective a return to that form of sound and approach would be in 2021, since so many stations are as closeminded to change as advertisers claim the older audiences such as *we* are.
But that sort of attitude has inundated even the smallest markets .... two commercial marathons per hour ....
That tuneout clutter is a different topic, of course. But as a DXer since I was eleven, I'm puzzled by complaints made by *DXers* about such stations coming in when they shouldn't come in.
AM DXers in particular! None of us listens to AM for music. We just want to hear distant stations.
@ CSpence : That WKAJ reception hoopla indeed was from 7 Julys ago to the week. A special treat was hearing a new station with a 'K' anywhere in their call letters.
For what it's worth, and belying their daytime signal, they do not show up at all in the nearest book (Utica-Rome). I'm under the extinct impression that they wouldn't show up in a Metro Saint Johnsville survey, either.
But I'll take a new AM 'add' to the totals log any day -- legal or illegal wattage or any justification in between.
O/T somewhat ; mea culpa ......
@ whomever posted about reception of 860's WSBS from Vermont : God bless 'em! They sound like a real treat. Of course it's moot to bother speculating how effective a return to that form of sound and approach would be in 2021, since so many stations are as closeminded to change as advertisers claim the older audiences such as *we* are.
But that sort of attitude has inundated even the smallest markets .... two commercial marathons per hour ....
That tuneout clutter is a different topic, of course. But as a DXer since I was eleven, I'm puzzled by complaints made by *DXers* about such stations coming in when they shouldn't come in.
AM DXers in particular! None of us listens to AM for music. We just want to hear distant stations.
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Aren't they still in lockdown?
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