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7pm (CT) CBS News Radio - Harley Karns

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Anybody listen to CBS News tonight at 8pm ET, 7 CT??

I mean the little 3 minute thing they broadcast. The one at 7CT, with Harley Karns (sp?).
There was obviously no news today.

Harley was hilarious. He totally mocked the bird flu outcry. There was a story run by some other reporter about how some companies are makind their employees wear gloves and masks in the work place to fight the flu. He comes back on, and you hear this crackling. He was opening a mask. He said "Here at CBS News, we all use the same mics, seats, and keyboards... so..." and then he continued with the news.

I love the way he tells random stories too. He's great. And funny.

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Urban Legend is Born

1. I don't believe you. By the "little three minute thing" possibly you mean the top of the hour network news broadcast? They don't mock stories. They don't try to be hillarious.

2. Even if I did believe you, your post is about radio and this is a TV board.

3. Karns does not work for CBS News. He works for Westwood One.

4. If Karns tried something like this on his own, he'd be fired.

5. The top of the hour newscasts have writers, editors and producers. The toh is not the product of one individual. It has no room for "random" stories.
 
Re: Harley Carnes is no urban legend!

Aside from the fact that this post should be on the "Coast to Coast" radio board, Harley Carnes (correct spelling), is a tremendous talent and did exactly as was reported. Harley was an anchor on WCBS Radio in New York for many years before he starting anchoring on the network. He writes most if not all of his own copy. Lastly, Carnes is an employee of CBS News but the programming is distributed by Westwood One.


> 1. I don't believe you. By the "little three minute thing"
> possibly you mean the top of the hour network news
> broadcast? They don't mock stories. They don't try to be
> hillarious.
>
> 2. Even if I did believe you, your post is about radio and
> this is a TV board.
>
> 3. Karns does not work for CBS News. He works for Westwood
> One.
>
> 4. If Karns tried something like this on his own, he'd be
> fired.
>
> 5. The top of the hour newscasts have writers, editors and
> producers. The toh is not the product of one individual.
> It has no room for "random" stories.
> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jjjohnson on 11/22/05 02:04 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Harley Carnes is no urban legend!

> Carnes is an employee of
> CBS News but the programming is distributed by Westwood One.
>
And both are owned by Viacom, and both will soon become part of CBS after the Viacom split.
 
Re: Urban Legend is Born

> 2. Even if I did believe you, your post is about radio and
> this is a TV board.

Which, if you had simply reported to me as a moderator instead of taking it upon yourself to berate the poster about, I would have corrected by moving it to the right place (which I did, upon discovering it on my own this morning).<P ID="signature">______________


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Re: Harley Carnes is no urban legend!

> Aside from the fact that this post should be on the "Coast
> to Coast" radio board, Harley Carnes (correct spelling), is
> a tremendous talent and did exactly as was reported. Harley
> was an anchor on WCBS Radio in New York for many years
> before he starting anchoring on the network. He writes most
> if not all of his own copy. Lastly, Carnes is an employee of
> CBS News but the programming is distributed by Westwood One.
>

Carnes is a great writer. Just by listening to his cast compared to others on the same network, you can tell he does most of the writing. His newscast has its own style.

I think the top three "writers" on radio network news right now are Gil Gross (ABC), Harley Carnes (CBS) and Bill Vitka (CBS).
 
The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

The CBS Radio Network is no longer part of CBS News. The people who do "CBS Radio" news broadcasts also produce, write, edit and read news broadcasts under other Westwood One Brands.

When Charles Kuralt left Sunday Morning and recommended Charles Osgood as a replacement, CBS News management had to give him a special waiver from a policy that does not all CBS News air talent to do commercials. That policy did not and does not apply to Osgood's radio work because the radio network operating under the CBS brand is not part of CBS News. (When you call, the people on the desk answer the phone "network news".)

WCBS Radio is an Infinity Broadcasting station and is also not part of CBS News (dating to well before WCBS adopted the all news format).

And these news readers like to claim they write their own newscasts. (1) Why is the writing style so uniform? (2) Why do they have all those writers?

All that said, Carnes is good at what he does and I doubt he would have done anything so unprofessional as what the original poster described. I also doubt he would have remained employed if he had.
 
A few things:

1) I apologize for posting this in the wrong place. That is not the first time I have made that stupid mistake, and once again, I am sorry.

2) This really did happen! Don't beliebe me? Fine. If we can get anyone to respond that ACTUALLY LISTENED, unlike you, they could confirm this. Don't accuse me of lying, or starting an Urban Legend, unless you heard it and know I was wrong... which I am not!

3) Yes, I am just a listener, hence the name. The "network news" title didn't come to mind at the time of the post. If the fact that I didn't name something correctly offends you so bad as to think of me as a liar, then, well... I don't know what to say to a person like you.

4) THE BIRD FLU STORY DESERVES TO BE MOCKED!! That is the biggest joke in the news!!

5) I am truly sorry that you don't have a sense of humor, and you must believe that nobody else does either. I wish the best for you.

Other than that...

Have a happy Thanksgiving (honestly. dispite our little dissagreements, I wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving, and may you all have a happy Holliday Season.)

Respectfully,

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I think Harley does a great job. A couple of years ago, he was doing the all night news on WCBS-AM. A buddy of mine who used to work with him (I THINK the spelling might be Cairns but am not sure) told me about a newscast Harley did on the CBS network about two years ago where he ended the cast calling it ABC news (Harley used to do news on WLS-AM in Chicago and ABC radio network stuff).

> Anybody listen to CBS News tonight at 8pm ET, 7 CT??
>
> I mean the little 3 minute thing they broadcast. The one at
> 7CT, with Harley Karns (sp?).
> There was obviously no news today.
>
 
Re: Harley Carnes is no urban legend!

> I think the top three "writers" on radio network news right
> now are Gil Gross (ABC), Harley Carnes (CBS) and Bill Vitka
> (CBS).

Can't stand Gil Gross. Tries to hard to be cute. Just my opinion.

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Re: The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

> The CBS Radio Network is no longer part of CBS News. The
> people who do "CBS Radio" news broadcasts also produce,
> write, edit and read news broadcasts under other Westwood
> One Brands.

Yes, they do, but they do it as CBS News employees.

In practice, the lines are far more blurred than you'd like to make them out to be. The CBS Radio News newsroom is still at the Broadcast Center at 524 W. 57th, right down the hallway from the Westwood One master control, which handles distribution of CBS Radio and many other networks, some of which are owned by Westwood One and some which simply contract with WW1 for distribution.

Tangled in among those offices in the narrow web of hallways on the first floor of the Broadcast Center are the 60 Minutes studios, CBS Television Network master control, and down the hall a bit, Studio 47, where the Evening News originates. Whatever distinctions may apply on paper, in practice it all still functions as "CBS News."

(WCBS-TV is in a completely separate newsroom tucked in behind the big studios upstairs, and when WCBS 880 moved to the Broadcast Center from Black Rock a few years ago, it ended up way upstairs on the 8th floor of the office tower.)

One more bit of useless Broadcast Center trivia: what's now the CBS Radio newsroom was Cronkite's original newsroom/studio. Cronkite's on-camera map of Vietnam now hangs, framed, above the executive producer's desk.

> That policy did not
> and does not apply to Osgood's radio work because the radio
> network operating under the CBS brand is not part of CBS
> News. (When you call, the people on the desk answer the
> phone "network news".)

Only for the same reason I used to answer the phone on the desk at WBZ as "Radio News." When you're answering the phone 50 times an hour, brevity counts.

"Osgood Files" is not part of CBS News; it's a commentary broadcast that's part of the CBS Radio Network. If Osgood were to do one of the hourly radio newscasts, he'd be doing it for CBS News.

> WCBS Radio is an Infinity Broadcasting station and is also
> not part of CBS News (dating to well before WCBS adopted the
> all news format).

This is true. CBS has long drawn a distinction between its own network news employees (including those in radio news) and anyone else. I remember the first time I filed to the network from WBZ with the outcue, "Scott Fybush, CBS News, Boston" and was reprimanded - the correct formulation, even though WBZ had by that point become a "CBS Radio" station, was "Scott Fybush, FOR CBS News, Boston." I believe that would have been the case had I been filing from WCBS or WBBM or KNX, as well.

> And these news readers like to claim they write their own
> newscasts. (1) Why is the writing style so uniform? (2)
> Why do they have all those writers?

The writing style's so uniform because that's what the writers are paid to do. I know - I was one, at WBZ, for much of the early 90s.

"All those writers"? The last time I was in the CBS Radio newsroom, a month or so ago, there were a total of maybe a dozen people in there, in the middle of the day on a weekday. WCBS staffs two writers and two anchors per daytime shift, if memory serves. At WBZ, we had one writer per shift (except mornings, which had two). That's NOTHING, compared to TV.

At WBZ, the practice was generally for the anchors to write most of their own "A" block :)00-:03/:30-:33) and for the writers to handle the rest. I'd guess it works similarly at the network level.

> All that said, Carnes is good at what he does and I doubt he
> would have done anything so unprofessional as what the
> original poster described. I also doubt he would have
> remained employed if he had.

Carnes wouldn't have been allowed to show that much personality a decade ago. Times have changed. He's now encouraged to show some humor and personality in his newscasts. I didn't hear the one in question, but I have no doubt that it was pretty much as described. <P ID="signature">______________
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Re: The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

Thanks for a very informative reply.

One nit: Cronkite's original newsroom/studio was in the Graybar Building on Lexington Avenue (next to Grand Central Station). The broadcast began originating from a combined newsroom/studio in that building when the broadcast expanded to 30 minutes. Prior to that, the Evening News studio was in Grand Central Station.

>
>
> One more bit of useless Broadcast Center trivia: what's now
> the CBS Radio newsroom was Cronkite's original
> newsroom/studio. Cronkite's on-camera map of Vietnam now
> hangs, framed, above the executive producer's desk.
>
 
Re: The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

I read that when Paul Harvey was considering jumping ship from ABC (he almost signed with Mutual),had he gone to CBS he'd have had to become an employee of CBS News and thus be prohibited from doing commercials, so other arrangements would have to have been made.
 
Re: The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

> Thanks for a very informative reply.
>
> One nit: Cronkite's original newsroom/studio was in the
> Graybar Building on Lexington Avenue (next to Grand Central
> Station). The broadcast began originating from a combined
> newsroom/studio in that building when the broadcast expanded
> to 30 minutes. Prior to that, the Evening News studio was
> in Grand Central Station.

You are correct, sir!

I should have phrased it more correctly - what's now the CBS Radio newsroom was the newsroom/studio that Cronkite used when the broadcast moved from the Graybar Building to the Broadcast Center. I think that wasn't too long after Cronkite took over from Edwards, but I'm not certain of the year - late 1964?

The 75th anniversary timeline at cbs.com says radio moved from "484 Madison Avenue" to the Broadcast Center (which is a typo - the address was 485) on July 26, 1964.

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Re: The story about Harley Carnes is the urban legend!

> I should have phrased it more correctly - what's now the CBS
> Radio newsroom was the newsroom/studio that Cronkite used
> when the broadcast moved from the Graybar Building to the
> Broadcast Center. I think that wasn't too long after
> Cronkite took over from Edwards, but I'm not certain of the
> year - late 1964?

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WW1, Viacom connection

Viacom owns 17% of Westwood One, through Infinity Networks, Inc. WW1 is managed
by Infinity Broadcasting. Both Infinity Broadcasting and Infinity Networks are
subsidiaries of Viacom, but will be shifted to the "new" CBS. Westwood One is
a publicly traded company that is listed on the NYSE under WON.
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