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8 Questions About The Atlanta Radio Market

1) Does Atlanta need four Sports stations? 680 WCNN (at one time running CNN Headline News) is the market's ESPN affiliate. And 790 WQXI is its chief competitor. Spill-over games from WCNN are heard on 1340 WALR, a Fox Sports affiliate. Then there's also 1230 WFOM, but I couldn't find its website. So what do WQXI and WFOM air on nights and weekends when they don't have local sports hosts? I suppose one of them is affiliated with The Sporting News, the nation's third all-sports network. Atlanta used to have an ESPN Deportes station in Spanish but I think that's been discontinued.

2) Does Atlanta need five talk stations, plus a few rimshot talk outlets? WSB, owned by Cox, has the market's largest news department and runs mostly local hosts. WSB's 50,000 watt signal is heard all over the South. Then there's 640 WGST, owned by Clear Channel. They've got Rush and a few other big names in syndicated talk. But their ratings are not great, especially after giving up an FM simulcast. Religious broadcaster Salem owns 920 WGKA, running their national line-up of conservative talkers, but with poor ratings. There's a black talk station owned by CBS, 1380 WAOK. Their website only lists a few local hosts and says nothing about any national shows they may run, or whether they stay black talk around the clock. Then there's 1160 WCFO running national syndicated shows, such as Dr. Laura, Lou Dobbs and Mancow. Their website shows the CBS logo for news, but if WAOK is owned by CBS, who carries CBS News on the hour? WCFO lists Imus in the Morning as their wake-up show. But isn't Imus also on Oldies 106.7 WYAY? Does Citadel dilute Imus' ratings with an AM outlet also carrying his show? Other than WAOK, are the other four talk stations ALL carrying conservative shows? Georgia might be a red state but it came close to going for Obama over McCain in the recent election. And surely Atlanta is more liberal than the more rural areas of the state. So why are four Atlanta talk stations running ALL conservative talk shows?

3) Atlanta is not a great market for rock stations and it seems to be getting worse. It wasn't too long ago that 99.7 WNNX was one of the leading Alternative Rock stations in the U.S. Atlanta also had a healthy Classic Rocker in WKLS. CBS-owned 92.9 WZGC has always had ratings problems, never permitting Howard Stern to be its morning show, fearing a backlash, even though Howard boosted other CBS rock stations around the country. Now everything's changed. Cox introduced a Classic Hits station a few years ago called The River, 97.1 WSRV, which has become the only rock station consistantly in the top 10. It has a very pop-flavored playlist of Classic Rock hits of the past. WKLS gave up Classic Rock to go younger, but hasn't equaled its past ratings. The owners of WNNX watched it drop over the last few years to the point where they moved it to a lesser signal at 100.5 and made it a more mainstream contemporary rock station, also with poor results. They've just relaunched Alternative on a weak translator and an HD station. And CBS is now trying a very eclectic Adult Alternative format on WZGC, perhaps too unfamiliar and hard-edged for this market. Four Rock stations and only the most familiar, pop-oriented one, WSRV, does well 12+, although WKLS is doing OK in young male demos.

4) Urban formats are the real winners in Atlanta. CBS-owned 103.3 WVEE is usually #1, often beating WSB. 107.9 WHTA is more hip-hop and younger. Despite signal problems, it's also a contender. For Urban AC, there's the Majic simulcast at 97.5 and 107.5... although adding 107.5 knocked out the market's Smooth Jazz station a few months ago. There's Urban Oldies 104.1 WALR-FM. And Gospel WPZE recently moved to a stronger signal at 102.5. They're often all in the Top 10. Plus there are several Gospel stations on AM too.

5) Altanta may have the most religious outlets of any market in the U.S. In additon to the Black Gospel stations, there are six or seven AM stations doing religion, including a couple broadcasting in Spanish. There's not one but two Christian Contemporary stations on the FM dial as well as a few preaching stations. How can they all make a profit (or for the non-commercial stations, how they can get enough contributions)? And are there no mainstream or Catholic broadcasters?... So many religious stations and they're ALL Evangelical?

6) The big country station in the South's biggest market is Citadel's 101.5 WKXK. WKXK's protection station, also owned by Citadel, 106.7 WYAY, recently gave up Country to run Imus in the Morning and the True Oldies format the rest of the day. There are also rim-shot FM stations doing country at 92.1, 92.5, 96.7 and 107.1. And Clear Channel a couple of years ago jumped on the Country bandwagon, flipping long-time Soft AC WPCH to The Bull 94.1 WUBL. That has not been a good move. For decades, WPCH was Altanta's at-work station, first as Easy Listening, then as Soft AC. Why would they jump into the overcrowded Country war?

7) WPCH's demise has left Cox's WSB-FM as the only AC in the market, and it's usually #3, especially in the Fall when it goes all-holiday music from Late November to Christmas Day. It's very odd that Atlanta has four rock stations, two Top 40s, two Christian Contemporary stations... but only one AC. WSB-FM steers right down the middle, trying to be the office station while still being uptempo and allowing DJs to talk, more like a Hot AC. How long can they stay the only AC station in Atlanta?

8) Oddly, Georgia Public Radio doesn't have an Atlanta outlet. Some Atlanta listners may pick up GPR stations from Warm Springs or Rome. The Atlanta Board of Education owns WABE 90.1, which runs NPR programs, local shows and Classical music. I'd guess Atlanta Public Radio would want a station in Atlanta but could they not acquire an FM signal in the market?


Gregg
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I disagree a bit. As an AAA, Dave isn't "very" eclectic for the format. It's reasonably diverse and I don't find it particularly hard edged for the genre of music it covers.
 
I'll bite...

1) Probably not. The biggest issue is that none of them have a good night signal across the northern suburbs. WALR and WFOM are basically the sports equivalent of a brokered religious station.

2) Imus is off of WYAY. 1690 tried Air America, but it didn't get any ratings. Heck, WSB tried libtalk back in the early 90s, and got nowhere with it--and you could argue that if WSB couldn't do it, nobody could. Similar to the above, only WSB has a good night signal of all of the AM talkers. WGKA gets half a ratings point, not bad for a second-tier AM, especially one just playing syndicated programming with no local production expenses. While you could wonder if WCFO has a reason for being, WSB, WGST, and WGKA all get sufficient ratings--although IMO WGST and WGKA could get more with some effort.

3) About the mess that is Atlanta AOR, you got me. There are many threads where we've discussed this at length.

5) Many of the AM religious stations, except the WNIV/WLTA pair and the Latino station owned by Salem, are brokered religious stations, playing whatever they are paid to play. Does "mainline" (not evangelical) Protestant preaching really sell anymore anywhere? Many of the evangelical stations are "ecumenical" enough to be inviting to Catholics. And many of them target various ethnic groups. Also, there aren't as many religious stations as you think. Many of them are Latino, or black gospel, and many of them are now silent. None of them are really that substantial in the signal department (except Love 86); most of them are daytimers, some with critical hour powerdowns. Both J93.3 and Fish get ratings.

6, 7) CC flipping Lite to Bull was silly, especially while Eagle was still around. And there are many other country rimshots to compete with, like 99.3 and 106.1. Atlanta has a big hole for soft AC, especially since WJZZ flipped from smooth jazz.

8 ) Yes, GPB needs an Atlanta affiliate.
 
Imus is off of WYAY. 1690 tried Air America, but it didn't get any ratings

Air America did not remain with 1690 because of poor ratings. The owners of 1690 Air Atlanta sold the station to the current owners of WMLB. The current owner of 1690 wanted to move what was on 1160 to 1690 because its a better signal for the eclectic format of WMLB.
 
WGUN 1010 now does standards music between brokered shows and Big Band Jump and Sounds of Sinatra on the weekends which sure helps. They only do Gospel 4am to 6:45am and some on Sunday.
 
1. You can catch the night time feed for 790 on their website.

2. This is a pretty solid red state and I do not see much traction for lib talk, especially since it has never been too successful in any market.

3. Dave is hard-edged? Could have fooled me.

4.

5. Catholic station in Atlanta? Seriously? Any station it ocould possibly go on would be primarily ITP and certainly not alot of Catholics there.

6. Don't tell B98.5 PEach was Atlanta's at work station. B98 has been voted number listen while you work station by some people.

7. Perplexes many of us.

8. Don;t know but at this point a signal is too valuable or expensive for a public broadcast channel to be added.
 
1) Does Atlanta need four Sports stations? 680 WCNN (at one time running CNN Headline News) is the market's ESPN affiliate. And 790 WQXI is its chief competitor. Spill-over games from WCNN are heard on 1340 WALR, a Fox Sports affiliate. Then there's also 1230 WFOM, but I couldn't find its website. So what do WQXI and WFOM air on nights and weekends when they don't have local sports hosts? I suppose one of them is affiliated with The Sporting News, the nation's third all-sports network. Atlanta used to have an ESPN Deportes station in Spanish but I think that's been discontinued.

Atlanta does not need one sports station. Unless it’s college football season, Atlantans don’t seem to care about sports. There are too many transplants here who care about the Cubs or the Yankees or the Cowboys and not Atlanta teams. Of the two “major” sports stations, one can’t be heard after the sun goes down and the other has network programming after pm drive.


2) Does Atlanta need five talk stations, plus a few rimshot talk outlets? WSB, owned by Cox, has the market's largest news department and runs mostly local hosts. WSB's 50,000 watt signal is heard all over the South. Then there's 640 WGST, owned by Clear Channel. They've got Rush and a few other big names in syndicated talk. But their ratings are not great, especially after giving up an FM simulcast. Religious broadcaster Salem owns 920 WGKA, running their national line-up of conservative talkers, but with poor ratings. There's a black talk station owned by CBS, 1380 WAOK. Their website only lists a few local hosts and says nothing about any national shows they may run, or whether they stay black talk around the clock. Then there's 1160 WCFO running national syndicated shows, such as Dr. Laura, Lou Dobbs and Mancow. Their website shows the CBS logo for news, but if WAOK is owned by CBS, who carries CBS News on the hour? WCFO lists Imus in the Morning as their wake-up show. But isn't Imus also on Oldies 106.7 WYAY? Does Citadel dilute Imus' ratings with an AM outlet also carrying his show? Other than WAOK, are the other four talk stations ALL carrying conservative shows? Georgia might be a red state but it came close to going for Obama over McCain in the recent election. And surely Atlanta is more liberal than the more rural areas of the state. So why are four Atlanta talk stations running ALL conservative talk shows?

We need more talk stations. We need more conservative hosts reminding us that Obama is a closet-Muslim socialist who is destroying our country. If the country had more of this talk maybe then everything would be okay. Obama lost the state by 5 points or 205,000 votes; it wasn’t “close” as you say.

3) Atlanta is not a great market for rock stations and it seems to be getting worse. It wasn't too long ago that 99.7 WNNX was one of the leading Alternative Rock stations in the U.S. Atlanta also had a healthy Classic Rocker in WKLS. CBS-owned 92.9 WZGC has always had ratings problems, never permitting Howard Stern to be its morning show, fearing a backlash, even though Howard boosted other CBS rock stations around the country. Now everything's changed. Cox introduced a Classic Hits station a few years ago called The River, 97.1 WSRV, which has become the only rock station consistantly in the top 10. It has a very pop-flavored playlist of Classic Rock hits of the past. WKLS gave up Classic Rock to go younger, but hasn't equaled its past ratings. The owners of WNNX watched it drop over the last few years to the point where they moved it to a lesser signal at 100.5 and made it a more mainstream contemporary rock station, also with poor results. They've just relaunched Alternative on a weak translator and an HD station. And CBS is now trying a very eclectic Adult Alternative format on WZGC, perhaps too unfamiliar and hard-edged for this market. Four Rock stations and only the most familiar, pop-oriented one, WSRV, does well 12+, although WKLS is doing OK in young male demos.

Right now we have 5 rock stations (DAVE, Project, Rock 100.5, The NEW River and 99X.) All rock bases are covered. Whether Atlanta has the audience for it is another story. I think all stations have done a good job of expanding the playlist, which will mean more TSL.

4) Urban formats are the real winners in Atlanta. CBS-owned 103.3 WVEE is usually #1, often beating WSB. 107.9 WHTA is more hip-hop and younger. Despite signal problems, it's also a contender. For Urban AC, there's the Majic simulcast at 97.5 and 107.5... although adding 107.5 knocked out the market's Smooth Jazz station a few months ago. There's Urban Oldies 104.1 WALR-FM. And Gospel WPZE recently moved to a stronger signal at 102.5. They're often all in the Top 10. Plus there are several Gospel stations on AM too.

Wow, a city with 55% black population has top rated Urban stations, who would have thunk it?

5) Altanta may have the most religious outlets of any market in the U.S. In additon to the Black Gospel stations, there are six or seven AM stations doing religion, including a couple broadcasting in Spanish. There's not one but two Christian Contemporary stations on the FM dial as well as a few preaching stations. How can they all make a profit (or for the non-commercial stations, how they can get enough contributions)? And are there no mainstream or Catholic broadcasters?... So many religious stations and they're ALL Evangelical?

You are fooling yourself. Atlanta has more Jews on the air than Christians. Think about it: Mara Davis, Brisket Shapiro, Bert Weiss, Larry Wachs, Matt Chernoff, Jason Pullman, etc. We are taking over and you don’t realize it. It’s all part of the plan. BTW, meeting is at 7:30 pm on Thursday at the usual place.

6) The big country station in the South's biggest market is Citadel's 101.5 WKXK. WKXK's protection station, also owned by Citadel, 106.7 WYAY, recently gave up Country to run Imus in the Morning and the True Oldies format the rest of the day. There are also rim-shot FM stations doing country at 92.1, 92.5, 96.7 and 107.1. And Clear Channel a couple of years ago jumped on the Country bandwagon, flipping long-time Soft AC WPCH to The Bull 94.1 WUBL. That has not been a good move. For decades, WPCH was Altanta's at-work station, first as Easy Listening, then as Soft AC. Why would they jump into the overcrowded Country war?

It’s Clear Channel, ‘nuff said.

7) WPCH's demise has left Cox's WSB-FM as the only AC in the market, and it's usually #3, especially in the Fall when it goes all-holiday music from Late November to Christmas Day. It's very odd that Atlanta has four rock stations, two Top 40s, two Christian Contemporary stations... but only one AC. WSB-FM steers right down the middle, trying to be the office station while still being uptempo and allowing DJs to talk, more like a Hot AC. How long can they stay the only AC station in Atlanta?

Atlanta has a young population. It makes sense that there would be only one AC station since that format skews older.

Oddly, Georgia Public Radio doesn't have an Atlanta outlet. Some Atlanta listners may pick up GPR stations from Warm Springs or Rome. The Atlanta Board of Education owns WABE 90.1, which runs NPR programs, local shows and Classical music. I'd guess Atlanta Public Radio would want a station in Atlanta but could they not acquire an FM signal in the market?
 
Gregg said:
1) Does Atlanta need four Sports stations?
RR======Yes. We are offered programming from 3 radio networks and we have all 4 pro sports leagues in town. Plus sports radio bills better than many other radio formats.

2) Does Atlanta need five talk stations, plus a few rimshot talk outlets?
RR++++++Yes. Talk radio saved the AM band and now is finding success on FM. There are a lot of national talk shows and we hear most of them. I do wish we had more local talk.

WSB, owned by Cox, has the market's largest news department and runs mostly local hosts. WSB's 50,000 watt signal is heard all over the South.RR+++++++++++WSB is only programmed for the Atlanta market and they do not really care about those out side the market. While Neal and Clark are based at WSB and they are not longer really "local."

So why are four Atlanta talk stations running ALL conservative talk shows? RR+++++Because that is how to draw an audience and make money.


4) Urban formats are the real winners in Atlanta. CBS-owned 103.3 WVEE is usually #1, often beating WSB. 107.9 WHTA is more hip-hop and younger. Despite signal problems, it's also a contender. For Urban AC, there's the Majic simulcast at 97.5 and 107.5... although adding 107.5 knocked out the market's Smooth Jazz station a few months ago. There's Urban Oldies 104.1 WALR-FM. And Gospel WPZE recently moved to a stronger signal at 102.5. They're often all in the Top 10. Plus there are several Gospel stations on AM too.

RR======The Atlanta market is 30.4% black so this makes since. Praise actually moved to a weaker signal (class C3 to A) but i do agree 102.5 is a better signal for reaching their target audience.

5) Altanta may have the most religious outlets of any market in the U.S. In additon to the Black Gospel stations, there are six or seven AM stations doing religion, including a couple broadcasting in Spanish. There's not one but two Christian Contemporary stations on the FM dial as well as a few preaching stations. How can they all make a profit (or for the non-commercial stations, how they can get enough contributions)? And are there no mainstream or Catholic broadcasters?... So many religious stations and they're ALL Evangelical?.

RR=======I would say Dallas has more with 1 Christian AC, 2 non-comm Christian FM's, and a rim-shot Christian talker on FM. All class C signals. Plus numerous AM outlets.

RR=====The 2 Christain AC's comment is a little mis-leading since 93.3 broadcasts from over 50 miles away from Atlanta to the southwest and 104.7 broadcasts over 30 miles east/northeast of the city. The transmitters are 76 miles apart and the city grade signals for 93.3 and 104.7 barely overlap. 104.7 has the better market coverage by far but 93.3 serves many people that can not pick up a reliable 104.7 signal. So yes there is a good purpuse for 2 Christian AC's in the market.
 
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