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820 app for night service
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WBAP in Dallas comes in pretty strong across the central part of the country on that frequency. I was listening to it in my car tonight all the way up in Wisconsin.
Maybe that's why.
Maybe that's why.
FightingIrish said:
The FCC does document the reason(s), and as yet I haven't seen the details of why the application was denied. But interference to other US stations doesn't appear to be the problem. WAIT's proposed nighttime pattern met the requirements for co-channel protection to Class A WBAP, and it also passed where adjacent channel protection was afforded to WCCO 830 Minneapolis. There was also the issue of an application for a new station on 820 in Escanaba MI, although the engineering statement mentions a mutual interference agreement, stating that any interference caused by WAIT would be trivial and would be offset by the benefit of increased coverage in the Chicago area. But an allotment in Canada appears to have been a real issue.
A new station is planned for Nipigon ON, and it looks like WAIT's application stopped short of asking the FCC to ask Canada's CRTC to delete the allocation. The engineering statement said a deletion seemed unlikely but suggested that the CRTC might be inclined to change the frequency of the Ontario allocation. Otherwise WAIT would only be able to run 900 watts at night instead of the requested 1500. After a detailed study the engineers concluded that 770 was the best alternative, alllowing the planned station to run 10kW day/1kW night versus the presently allocated 1kW day and night. I'm guessing the FCC or the CRTC (or both) didn't buy it.
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PaulBWalkerJr
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The applicant of the 820 in Escanaba passed away 3 months ago or so... so I dunno where that leaves that application...
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tjthedj
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There have been several attempts over the last 50 years at getting nighttime authority for 820 in Chicago (Elmhurst transmitter site). I know of one as far back as 1550 filed by my buddy, the late Consulting Engineer, Ed Jacker. There was also a try when it was owned by WFMF.
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tjthedj
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I believe you are correct. They had a night time tower array that (I believe) was complicated and not alot of power. They may hale gotten an "offer they couldn't refuse" on that property and sokd it.
By the way, in my earlier post I meant 1950 (not 1550).
By the way, in my earlier post I meant 1950 (not 1550).
Brian Stevens said:
You're right. 820 was a full-time station for a few years, apparently between 1986 and 1991.
From FCC records I see that in 1984 they were granted a major change request to add nighttime service with 1000 watts directional. In January '86 they were granted a CP to replace the expired permit (for full-time operation). Later that year, however, they were denied a minor change application to move their transmitter to 67th and River Road in Hodgkins IL (listed as a major environmental action) was denied. Did they lose their site, or sell it?tjthedj said:
In November 1991 they were granted a CP to change from unlimited to daytime only and change their transmitter location to West Belmont Avenue in Chicago. Two years later a CP to add night service again was granted (1.2kW, different nighttime site), but there was a petition to deny, an informal complaint from WBAP and considerable legal wrangling and the CP was cancelled in June of '94.
The station (then WCSN) filed an application during the major filing window in January 2005 to change their COL to Willow Springs, apparently with no change in transmitter location but a power reduction from 5kW to 3.2kW, still as a daytimer. That application was approved later in the year, but now before they had filed another application that called for them to remain in Chicago, remaining at 5kW day and adding night service with 1.5kW. That's the application that was denied on September 26th 2006.
A lot of questions remain, but one thing's for sure. We haven't heard the last of this strange tale of 820 and their plans to go back to 24 hour operation.
You're right, I had too many applications in front of me. They're not losing the 5kW day signal. (The "power reduction" phrase was transposed, sorry for the confusion.)
So as I read it (and could have explained better!): the application to change COL to Willow Springs (with full 5kW) from their current site and a later application for an auxiliary (backup) with 3.2kW from a nearby site were both approved. It was the separate, original Chicago application for 5kW day/1.5kW night which was recently denied.
jd said:
They ran 1 kW from Elmhurst from (I think) 1985 until they signed off in early 1991. IIRC, the land that the towers sat on (they didn't own it) had been sold to a housing developer and they couldn't find a new transmitter site in time to keep the station on the air.
The nighttime signal was all but unlistenable in much of the city. I remember it barely being audible at Comiskey Park after dark.
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