How markets have an 87.7FM. I know of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver, Ft. Worth, Lafayette (Ind,) and Jackson, MS. How many others? If you know, what are their formats? Thanks.
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87.7 FM
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Anchorage & Miami, at least.
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That makes me think that on the super band opening nights that we have been having that I would hear at least one of those stations here in South Carolina but try as I might I haven't caught one yet.
The Miami 87.9 FM, LPTV whatever it is audio signal comes in only rarely here on the West coast of Florida while many of the Miami Fms are heard here when the band opens up. What does appear here is the 19 KHZ pilot on 87.9 which causes the stereo light to blink on and off on my car stereo most days even with no audio signal coming in what so ever. The background noise ( general hiss ) on 87.9 is higher than 87.7 . When 87.9 does come in to Southwest Florida it sound great.
Kirk: I think it's Lafayette, LA not IN that has a station on 87.7.
You are right, it is Lafayette, LA. We will shortly see the results from their first complete Arbitron book. My understanding is that they went through the book as a country station. . . up against two mainstream country competitors and a classic country station. Does that sound right? Thx.
87.7 was classic hits through May. I don't know what they are now (I live about 110 miles from Lafayette). I will be in the area this weekend though and I'll try to see if I can pick them up in the car.
There are two primary Country stations in Lafayette: KXKC, the Heritage station owned by Citadel that has lost it's way in the past several years; and KMDL, 97.3 the Dog, owned by Townsquare (Regent). KXKC dominated for years and recently dropped to a 3.7 12+. They are moving back up but KMDL still leads. KBON is a mix of country and Louisiana/Cajun music and is independently owned. KBON is kind of like a Cajun/Louisiana "Jack" format. They play everything. They get good ratings but can't sell so they resort to membership sales to get them through.
Here's a link to the KBON web site if you want to check them out: http://kbon.com/ They stream but you have to buy a membership to hear them.
There are two primary Country stations in Lafayette: KXKC, the Heritage station owned by Citadel that has lost it's way in the past several years; and KMDL, 97.3 the Dog, owned by Townsquare (Regent). KXKC dominated for years and recently dropped to a 3.7 12+. They are moving back up but KMDL still leads. KBON is a mix of country and Louisiana/Cajun music and is independently owned. KBON is kind of like a Cajun/Louisiana "Jack" format. They play everything. They get good ratings but can't sell so they resort to membership sales to get them through.
Here's a link to the KBON web site if you want to check them out: http://kbon.com/ They stream but you have to buy a membership to hear them.
San Francisco doessn't have 87.7
I think were the biggest city not to have one. However theirs one in Redding,CA with a translator in Chico, its a Spanish Christian station
Memphis now has an 87.7FM (thx to Dr. Flinn). Early reports is that it sounds as good as any C1. . . loud, clear and coverage that extends to offices, basements, etc. The 87.7FM in Denver can be heard 75 miles from Denver.
A year ago I started this thread asking about 87.7FMs. Have to wonder how these stations are coming along. I know Jackson, MS now has an 87.7 that blankets the market, but has yet to go through its first ratings period.
A year ago there were a number of engineers offering some technobabble that the 87.7 stations were moments from being turned off by the FCC. . . .wrong, all is good.
If you have an update, on how the 87.7 in your market is doing, plz let ‘er rip.
A year ago there were a number of engineers offering some technobabble that the 87.7 stations were moments from being turned off by the FCC. . . .wrong, all is good.
If you have an update, on how the 87.7 in your market is doing, plz let ‘er rip.
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The FCC has set September 1, 2015 as the transition date for analog LPTV stations. There's no exception for channel 6. Construction permits for new analog operations are being dismissed. That effectively puts an end to the 87.7/channel 6 audio operators in a little over 4 years.
That said four years is still plenty of time for existing operators to make money. That's also time to look for an AM ro FM signal to purchased, rent an HD-2 and translator, or build their online presence.
I wouldn't be surprised if some enterprising company doesn't develop an inexpensive audio-only receiver for digital TV signals, much like the fixed tuned SCA receivers of yesterday. It wouldn't work for a mass-appeal format, but might work well for ethnic formats or radio reading services.
That said four years is still plenty of time for existing operators to make money. That's also time to look for an AM ro FM signal to purchased, rent an HD-2 and translator, or build their online presence.
I wouldn't be surprised if some enterprising company doesn't develop an inexpensive audio-only receiver for digital TV signals, much like the fixed tuned SCA receivers of yesterday. It wouldn't work for a mass-appeal format, but might work well for ethnic formats or radio reading services.
I don't think they'll be breaking the FCC rules about digital tv if they are only licensed for the FM band, unless they are licensed to channel 6 on the TV. So no grandfathering necessary? All will continue as usual, no?
No...all these 87.7 (really: 87.75) operations are supposed to be the audio carrier for an analog TV station. There are no licensed FM broadcast stations on this frequency.
In analog TV the sound is carried on an FM signal. The deviation is (supposed to be) less than for broadcast FM, and the TV stereo system is different from the standard FM broadcast signal. So, for a "real" TV signal on channel 6, the sound can be heard by tuning to 87.7 on an ordinary FM radio, but it would not be as loud (i.e., less deviation=less audio) as a standard FM broadcast signal, and it would not be in stereo.
These "Franken FM's" are operating improperly therefore (although the FCC is more concerned with shutting down all over the air TV than it is in monitoring individual stations); and will "sunset" in 2015, as noted above.
In analog TV the sound is carried on an FM signal. The deviation is (supposed to be) less than for broadcast FM, and the TV stereo system is different from the standard FM broadcast signal. So, for a "real" TV signal on channel 6, the sound can be heard by tuning to 87.7 on an ordinary FM radio, but it would not be as loud (i.e., less deviation=less audio) as a standard FM broadcast signal, and it would not be in stereo.
These "Franken FM's" are operating improperly therefore (although the FCC is more concerned with shutting down all over the air TV than it is in monitoring individual stations); and will "sunset" in 2015, as noted above.
quadraphonic said:I don't think they'll be breaking the FCC rules about digital tv if they are only licensed for the FM band, unless they are licensed to channel 6 on the TV. So no grandfathering necessary? All will continue as usual, no?
No, it won't continue as usual.
88.1 is the lowest valid frequency for a FM license. (except in VERY limited cases where 87.9 is permitted. There are *TWO* valid licenses on 87.9.) These 87.7 stations are not licensed as FM stations.
They are, as TomT says, the sound channels of analog low-power TV stations. Through a loophole in the rules, they're allowed to broadcast with FM radio technical standards, but they remain licensed as TV stations.
The FCC has decided low-power TV stations must convert to digital in 2015. The 87.7 "FM" stations are currently legal (except Boston!) but their analog licenses will be canceled in three years.
I don't think it's accurate to say the "FrankenFMs" are operating "improperly", they *are* compliant with the rules. The loophole shouldn't be there, but it is...
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