88.3 -- How does a Non-Comm station get away with playing commercials?

[Tower Erection]

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How does 88.3 FM (in Spanish) get away with blatently playing commercials, running contest and giving away money? Is the FCC asleep at the wheel or am I just missing something?

This is a Non-Comm station clearly in the Non-Comm band?

Help me out here!!

 

[DrAkbar]

It's been commercially blatant for a number of years. There are a few prime suspects: a politically correct gummit agency that doesn't want to pick on the National Farm Workers Service Center. It flies under the radar screen of English language listeners. KNAI is only on half the day, sharing the same frequency with Bible thumping KPHF. Only two of their six stations are on the non-commercial side of the FM band and it's easy to get confused when running a network. Plus theres a void in the market for ranchera musica As the Nearly Bald One sez....Si, Se Pway-dah ;D

 

[Tower Erection]

It's been commercially blatant for a number of years. There are a few prime suspects: a politically correct gummit agency that doesn't want to pick on the National Farm Workers Service Center. It flies under the radar screen of English language listeners. KNAI is only on half the day, sharing the same frequency with Bible thumping KPHF. Only two of their six stations are on the non-commercial side of the FM band and it's easy to get confused when running a network. Plus theres a void in the market for ranchera musica As the Nearly Bald One sez....Si, Se Pway-dah ;D

I didn't know there was anything to farm here except cactus! and most of the "crops" here come across the border at night. Maybe those are the "Farm Workers" they are representing..........

 

[johndavis]

I didn't know there was anything to farm here except cactus! and most of the "crops" here come across the border at night. Maybe those are the "Farm Workers" they are representing..........

You must not be from here. It's been years since I had the Arizona state civics course in junior high, but there's 4 C's to the Arizona economy: Climate, Copper, Cotton, and Citrus. You've got to drive farther out of town to find farming these days, but it wasn't that long ago where you could go pick grapes yourself off of Power Road in Mesa after the commercial pickers took what they wanted and the big controversy in the East Valley was crop dusters buzzing houses early in the morning and people were paranoid that their kids would get sick from the pesticides those planes sprayed.

Part of the reason Salt River Project exists was to irrigate farms & citrus groves. There were a ton of those off of 40th street back in the day, too.

 

[Tower Erection]

You must not be from here. It's been years since I had the Arizona state civics course in junior high, but there's 4 C's to the Arizona economy: Climate, Copper, Cotton, and Citrus. You've got to drive farther out of town to find farming these days, but it wasn't that long ago where you could go pick grapes yourself off of Power Road in Mesa after the commercial pickers took what they wanted and the big controversy in the East Valley was crop dusters buzzing houses early in the morning and people were paranoid that their kids would get sick from the pesticides those planes sprayed.

Part of the reason Salt River Project exists was to irrigate farms & citrus groves. There were a ton of those off of 40th street back in the day, too.
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You are correct, I am more familiar with the western part of the county, where the 2 G's are, Gold and Ghost Towns.

 

[DrAkbar]

You are correct, I am more familiar with the western part of the county, where the 2 G's are, Gold and Ghost Towns.

Actually, three G's - Gold, Ghosts and Gremlins

But back to the commercial sounding non commercial KNAI. Give it a listen, and even if no se habla espanol, it sure sounds like a commercial radio station. And according to the latest PPM numeros, it pulls a 2.0 share and beats both Movin 97~Five and KT'R Sports Parking Lot 6~Twenty. Not bad for a station on only half the day!

 

[Sammi Brie]

You must not be from here. It's been years since I had the Arizona state civics course in junior high, but there's 4 C's to the Arizona economy: Climate, Copper, Cotton, and Citrus. You've got to drive farther out of town to find farming these days, but it wasn't that long ago where you could go pick grapes yourself off of Power Road in Mesa after the commercial pickers took what they wanted and the big controversy in the East Valley was crop dusters buzzing houses early in the morning and people were paranoid that their kids would get sick from the pesticides those planes sprayed.

Part of the reason Salt River Project exists was to irrigate farms & citrus groves. There were a ton of those off of 40th street back in the day, too.

You are correct, I am more familiar with the western part of the county, where the 2 G's are, Gold and Ghost Towns.
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There's a fifth C...Cattle, speaking of farming.

 

[Ultimajock]

I didn't know there was anything to farm here except cactus! and most of the "crops" here come across the border at night. Maybe those are the "Farm Workers" they are representing..........

...with that comment, Burridge Butler (one-time owner of KOY, WLS Chicago, and the Arizona Farmer and Prairie Farmer newspapers) began spinning in his grave ;D ...

 

[TVradioguru]

???

How does 88.3 FM (in Spanish) get away with blatently playing commercials, running contest and giving away money? Is the FCC asleep at the wheel or am I just missing something?

This is a Non-Comm station clearly in the Non-Comm band?

Help me out here!!

From what I understand there are a couple loopholes: 1. If the advertiser/underwriter is a not for profit, then they can run full boat commericals on a non-com. If the underwriter is..well underwriting a program, hour, day, whatever, then they can acknowledge the donation and carry value-neutral information about the underwriter minus promotional verbiage like 'best, better, great, wonderful, better than', etc. An example would be.."this program brought to you by General Motors, who feature Chevrolet and the Chevy Volt. The first plug in car which gets up to 100 miles between fill ups."

 

[Tower Erection]

???

How does 88.3 FM (in Spanish) get away with blatently playing commercials, running contest and giving away money? Is the FCC asleep at the wheel or am I just missing something?

This is a Non-Comm station clearly in the Non-Comm band?

Help me out here!!

From what I understand there are a couple loopholes: 1. If the advertiser/underwriter is a not for profit, then they can run full boat commericals on a non-com. If the underwriter is..well underwriting a program, hour, day, whatever, then they can acknowledge the donation and carry value-neutral information about the underwriter minus promotional verbiage like 'best, better, great, wonderful, better than', etc. An example would be.."this program brought to you by General Motors, who feature Chevrolet and the Chevy Volt. The first plug in car which gets up to 100 miles between fill ups."

I do speak spanish and These are NORMAL spots they are running. Promoting club remotes, attorney spots, used car dealers = there is nothing that sounds like a underwriter. Clearly S P O T S
Where is the outrage??

 

[DrAkbar]

I do speak spanish and These are NORMAL spots they are running. Promoting club remotes, attorney spots, used car dealers = there is nothing that sounds like a underwriter. Clearly S P O T S
Where is the outrage??

All it takes is a complaint to the FCC field office. But don't look for a quick response as this would be political quicksand for the current administration. Those poor migrant farmer workers finally get a piece of the pie and now they're expected to play by the rules? Where is your compassion?

And if you file a complaint, might as well turn in KFuNN 15~Ten. They think just because they're running a sponsored show they can ignore reducing power and changing their pattern at local sunset. And because they've been doing it this way for the past year, who cares?

You'd think the Spanish language stations on the commercial FM band would have a problem with KNAI. And you'd think those stations on 15~Ten would have a problem with KFuNN running at 22kw a half hour after local sunset.

You'd think.

 

[jefflaurence]

If they do not carry a "call to action" I.e. "stop in today". or mention specific price and item they can be legal. One example that I once heard in Florida was on a non-comm college station that ran complete commercials..They had a broadcast production course and the commercials were "presented only as an example of our student's outstanding work". Oddly they also had a broadcast management major available that taught sales basics..and those students went out and practiced their "outstanding work" and curious as it may seem..the merchants who "donated" were the same ones that ended up being the subject of the production department's "outstanding work"

Loopholes a la carte

NFVG

 

[Tower Erection]

I really don't think that Bud Light Commercials that run in every other market IE: NATIONAL ADS. Nor National Pizza chain spots are a qualifying thing. They are announcing the phone number for pizza delivery..... We aren't talking about a loophole, this is pure violation.

 

[DrAkbar]

I really don't think that Bud Light Commercials that run in every other market IE: NATIONAL ADS. Nor National Pizza chain spots are a qualifying thing. They are announcing the phone number for pizza delivery..... We aren't talking about a loophole, this is pure violation.

As a public service, the Buckeye Boyz provide this handy email form for reporting radio station violations such as: Bud Lite commercials on a non-commercial station, illegal undocumented power aliens, failing to identify your station by call letters and city of license prior to taking a carrier dump, identifying yourself as KOOL-FM when your actual call letters are KOOL, as well as other transgressions such as canceling a backyard BBQ at your Paradise Valley Hut: https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000E
It's the least we could do!

 

[KOHS]

I really don't think that Bud Light Commercials that run in every other market IE: NATIONAL ADS. Nor National Pizza chain spots are a qualifying thing. They are announcing the phone number for pizza delivery..... We aren't talking about a loophole, this is pure violation.

As a public service, the Buckeye Boyz provide this handy email form for reporting radio station violations such as: Bud Lite commercials on a non-commercial station, illegal undocumented power aliens, failing to identify your station by call letters and city of license prior to taking a carrier dump, identifying yourself as KOOL-FM when your actual call letters are KOOL, as well as other transgressions such as canceling a backyard BBQ at your Paradise Valley Hut: https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000E
It's the least we could do!

Apparently the link doesn't work during lame-duck sessions when the "Dream Act" is being considered. A complaint against a Spanish language station where oppressed undocumented migrant workers listen might also be very un-pc. Si Se Puede!! ;D

 

[oldiesfan6479]

...identifying yourself as KOOL-FM when your actual call letters are KOOL...

Doc, we don't want your M.D. or Ph.D. or whatever "doctorate" you have to be
placed in jeopardy, but KOOL-FM is KOOL-FM. Its legal ID is generally voiced as:
"KOOL-FM and HD1 Phoenix." While that's not absolutely correct (each piece of the
puzzle should be IDed separately, i.e.: "KOOL-FM Phoenix, KOOL HD1 Phoenix"), it's
close enough for government work as the FCC apparently considers it acceptable.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?stat...&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

Perhaps you confused KOOL with K-Slacks? Last time I heard the legal, they IDed as
"KSLX Scottsdale..." but are really KSLX-FM. Nothing like piling on Gumpdusky, eh? ;D

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?stat...&slat2=&NS=N&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&EW=W&size=9

 

[oldiesfan6479]

As a public service...this handy email form for reporting radio station violations such as...canceling a backyard BBQ
at your Paradise Valley Hut: https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000E

Now that's the best reason yet for submitting a violation form!

 

[fybush]

Doc, we don't want your M.D. or Ph.D. or whatever "doctorate" you have to be
placed in jeopardy, but KOOL-FM is KOOL-FM. Its legal ID is generally voiced as:
"KOOL-FM and HD1 Phoenix." While that's not absolutely correct (each piece of the
puzzle should be IDed separately, i.e.: "KOOL-FM Phoenix, KOOL HD1 Phoenix"), it's
close enough for government work as the FCC apparently considers it acceptable.

As well they should, since their own (admittedly ambiguous) rules fail to specify an exact form in which the ID for an HD multicast should be made. Instead, the latest revision of 73.1201 says stations should "appropriately notify" listeners that they're hearing a digital signal, and "KOOL-FM and HD1 Phoenix" seems to meet that vague standard.

 

[KeithE4]

As well they should, since their own (admittedly ambiguous) rules fail to specify an exact form in which the ID for an HD multicast should be made. Instead, the latest revision of 73.1201 says stations should "appropriately notify" listeners that they're hearing a digital signal, and "KOOL-FM and HD1 Phoenix" seems to meet that vague standard.

"KBAQ Phoenix and HD" is confusing (I've never heard of the City of HD - is it near Queen Creek? ;D ), but it's more legal than KOOL's.

And Gumpdusky has been forgetting to give a legal ID for KDUS on 1060. They've been IDing as "KUPD-HD2 Tempe/Phoenix" on the AM.

Come to think of it, I haven't seen a legal ID for Fox 10.2 either. It should ID as KUTP, not KSAZ-TV since it comes from My45's Channel 26 transmitter.

 

[DrAkbar]

...identifying yourself as KOOL-FM when your actual call letters are KOOL...

Doc, we don't want your M.D. or Ph.D. or whatever "doctorate" you have to be
placed in jeopardy, but KOOL-FM is KOOL-FM. I

The last thing I want to do is jeopardize my license...that Third Phone with Element 9 was a booger to get! The Nurse and I have this thing about FM stations hanging an "FM" after their calls when it is not necessary. Back in the day there were two (three if you count TV) KOOL stations: 9~Sixty AM and 94~Five FM. Now there's just one KOOL, which happens to be on FM only. It is merely a redundancy of the obvious. But hey, what this has to do with KNAI (or is that KNAI-FM/) is beyond us. And if anyone runs into our good friend Tower Erection, please ask him if the other occupant of 88~Three is running Bud Lite commercials while thumping the Bible? 8)