We are almost a year removed from what was the start of DSN. There are some people that came over from DSN to 92.3. 92.3 has done everything right that DSN did wrong. They hired the right talent during the week. I think all of the weekday hosts are solid with the exception of Dustin Fox (who they rightly paired with a strong host in Adam the Bull) to help. CBS is a major player and they have the $$$$ to make this thing work. Most of the hosts on DSN had absolutely no business being weekday talent. Daryl Ruiter is perfect on 92.3 as a reporter because that is where he excels at. Joe Lull is perfect as a weekend host (yes he has grown on me again and in the future could be a good weekday host) Ken Silverstein is not my cup of tea but he is good for weekends. Chuck Booms was paired with Kevin Kiley because Kiley is a strong host who can keep Booms under control. Booms was completely out of control at DSN. Again I am not trying to stir up anything but rather point out that 92.3 is doing a really good job right now and had a plan in place, money to back it, a solid programmer and a good staff. Kudos to them on a job well done. I really would like to hear if anyone agrees or disagrees with my analysis of the start up of both stations? I did not work at DSN nor am I an employee of 92.3
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92.3 vs DSN
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vjm said:
Well said. I wish the Fan would go all out and actually hire a few reporters for their website. Some of these other cities with all sports stations have taken the next step and made their websites a destination for fans.
Well excuse me for trying to come up with a different topic other than who was the greatest DJ from WMMS or who was the greatest AC station for the hundredth time. Is this ok for the number of words to use?
No not touchy at all but I just wanted to make sure that the number of words I used in my response was ok with you.
DSN did a good thing with Bud Shaw and Les Levine. Wonder if The Fan ever approached either about doing mid-days before going with Baskin and Phelps. I know I know I know...Les Levine is the poster child for Cleveland sports retreads, but you have to admit he and Bud sounded good together.
vjm said:
...that was set up to fail stupendously from the get-go.
Cleveland.com should be ashamed that they were ever involved in something like DSN. They would have been better off setting a stack of dollar bills on fire.
The Fan will certainly continue to beef up the website.
Their on-air beat reporters are providing much of the content now, and they do write a lot. But their sister station in Boston ("The Sports Hub") is up against two full-fledged online competitors - WEEI's site, which has web-only contributors, and ESPN Boston, which is web only from the start (ESPN is now, ironically, on WEEI, but maintains the separate online presence).
Their on-air beat reporters are providing much of the content now, and they do write a lot. But their sister station in Boston ("The Sports Hub") is up against two full-fledged online competitors - WEEI's site, which has web-only contributors, and ESPN Boston, which is web only from the start (ESPN is now, ironically, on WEEI, but maintains the separate online presence).
Bear in mind that WKRK's website is actually a multisite portal intended for just one station (the mandated "CBS Local" template"). Basically cobbling together a cluster's TV O&O and all spoken word talkers into the same place, with shared content. Because "92.3 The Fan" is still owned by CBS, they had and have to follow this mandate, even with no other sister properties that could contribute content.
The front page is uninspiring because it isn't supposed to be the front page: THIS is. And THAT is even in the same template that all of their other sports talkers now use.
I guess until 1) CBS turns another of their FM stations - or an acquired station - into a general news/talker, 2) CBS acquires WOIO/WUAB, or 3) the "CBS Local" template mandate is eliminated, this problem will persist for some time to come.
As per the chatroom idea: I don't know of any other CBS sports station that does one. There ARE several well-run WFAN forums, but if I'm not mistaken, they are run primarily by fans of the station, not by CBS.
The front page is uninspiring because it isn't supposed to be the front page: THIS is. And THAT is even in the same template that all of their other sports talkers now use.
I guess until 1) CBS turns another of their FM stations - or an acquired station - into a general news/talker, 2) CBS acquires WOIO/WUAB, or 3) the "CBS Local" template mandate is eliminated, this problem will persist for some time to come.
As per the chatroom idea: I don't know of any other CBS sports station that does one. There ARE several well-run WFAN forums, but if I'm not mistaken, they are run primarily by fans of the station, not by CBS.
Yesterday was a good day to see how the stations treated the news of Bernard's motorcycle accident.
Now, I may have missed something in the coverage from both stations. But, I think KNR did a much better job on the news. Will Burge was at the hospital with live updates while Ruiter was nowhere to be found on the Fan. Again, I stopped listening after 5 pm to both stations, but KNR had a person at the hospital and more timely updates.
Question for any of you guys in the know.....Do Rutier, Burge and these other guys who are assigned as team beat reporters have a reporting background. Did they attend school and get a journalism degree. I just wish both stations would invest in actual reporters for their websites. The writing I have seen so far on the Fan is not that good.
Now, I may have missed something in the coverage from both stations. But, I think KNR did a much better job on the news. Will Burge was at the hospital with live updates while Ruiter was nowhere to be found on the Fan. Again, I stopped listening after 5 pm to both stations, but KNR had a person at the hospital and more timely updates.
Question for any of you guys in the know.....Do Rutier, Burge and these other guys who are assigned as team beat reporters have a reporting background. Did they attend school and get a journalism degree. I just wish both stations would invest in actual reporters for their websites. The writing I have seen so far on the Fan is not that good.
former interm said:
*shrugs*
It was special teamer/third stringer Marcus Benard. Not exactly the same ballpark as "The Soldier" Kellen Winslow's bike accident or William Green's stabbing.
Ruiter went to Broadcasting school not sure about Burge.
Was Daryl missing entirely, or was he in Berea? I believe the reporters in Berea were basically getting the same info...especially considering that it was known fairly early on that Benard wasn't facing life threatening injuries.
I didn't hear either The Fan or WKNR on Monday afternoon. Today, Bull & Fox were hitting the Benard story hard, so much so that one caller jokingly suggested they get back to important topics, like the Peyton Hillis situation! Heh.
Maybe I should check in with WKNR, and see what the team's official daily radio show is saying...
I didn't hear either The Fan or WKNR on Monday afternoon. Today, Bull & Fox were hitting the Benard story hard, so much so that one caller jokingly suggested they get back to important topics, like the Peyton Hillis situation! Heh.
Maybe I should check in with WKNR, and see what the team's official daily radio show is saying...
Nathan Obral said:
Thanks for pointing this out - it's the only place on the site with a complete schedule, seven days a week!
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/schedule/
This weekend:
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Saturday 10/15
6:00 – 7:00 Fox Big 10 Show
7:00 – 10:00 Ken Silverstein
10:00 – 1:00 Anthony Lima
1:00 – 4:00 Joe Lull
4:00 – 7:30 Kendall Lewis
7:30 – 1:30 NCAA Football
1:30 – 6:00 Fox Sports
Sunday 10/16
6:00 – 7:00 Cleveland Connection with Jim McIntyre
7:00 – 8:00 Pro Football Weekly
8:00 – 9:00 NFL Insider
9:00 – 11:00 NFL Now
11:00 – 12:30 The NFL Today
12:30 – 4:00 Jeff Phelps & Daryl Ruiter
4:00 – 7:00 Ken Carman
7:00 – 9:00 Kendall Lewis & Dustin Fox
9:00 – 12:00 Sunday Night Football – Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears
12:00 – 6:00 Fox Sports
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I'd still like to hear Jeff Thomas and Daryl Ruiter do a show
One problem they have on Sundays: "NFL Now", with WFAN's Mike Francesa, sounds for all the world like a local WFAN show...complete with imperfect formatics on the 92.3 end (I heard a WFAN legal ID liner) and NYC callers, though Mike tried to broaden the topics past the Giants and Jets...
The extra show on Sunday is because the Browns play at 4:15, I presume.
OhioMediaWatch said:Nathan Obral said:
Thanks for pointing this out - it's the only place on the site with a complete schedule, seven days a week!
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/schedule/
This weekend:
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Saturday 10/15
6:00 – 7:00 Fox Big 10 Show
7:00 – 10:00 Ken Silverstein
10:00 – 1:00 Anthony Lima
1:00 – 4:00 Joe Lull
4:00 – 7:30 Kendall Lewis
7:30 – 1:30 NCAA Football
1:30 – 6:00 Fox Sports
Sunday 10/16
6:00 – 7:00 Cleveland Connection with Jim McIntyre
7:00 – 8:00 Pro Football Weekly
8:00 – 9:00 NFL Insider
9:00 – 11:00 NFL Now
11:00 – 12:30 The NFL Today
12:30 – 4:00 Jeff Phelps & Daryl Ruiter
4:00 – 7:00 Ken Carman
7:00 – 9:00 Kendall Lewis & Dustin Fox
9:00 – 12:00 Sunday Night Football – Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears
12:00 – 6:00 Fox Sports
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I'd still like to hear Jeff Thomas and Daryl Ruiter do a show
One problem they have on Sundays: "NFL Now", with WFAN's Mike Francesa, sounds for all the world like a local WFAN show...complete with imperfect formatics on the 92.3 end (I heard a WFAN legal ID liner) and NYC callers, though Mike tried to broaden the topics past the Giants and Jets...
The extra show on Sunday is because the Browns play at 4:15, I presume.
Correct (though the game is actually at 4:05, as this is a CBS regional game--this is a Fox doubleheader weekend).
If it were the usual 1 p.m. start, Jeff Phelps would be on 10a-1p, Ken Carman would be the sacrificial lamb at 1, with BSK and Fox from 4-7p, leading into WW1 Sunday Night Football coverage.
former interm said:
I'm told Daryl was indeed on live from the hospital during "Bull and Fox". I missed it personally, as I was away from the radio doing Other Things(tm), but someone who heard it says he was there.
CleveRadioInsider said:
No offense but you were being touchy. You mentioned in your post that CBS has the $$$ to do this right--well I would be suprised if someone didn't think otherwise. I have to admit also why the comparison to an internet station that was short-lived and that is being kind? The insane turnover at DSN made it pretty clear that it was mismanaged from the start and you would be hard-pressed to find someone that could of bailed it out I don't care how much financial backing they could of brought!
I know you ended your post by giving 92.3 props and if you would of left DSN out of the post (seriously was there a reason to include them?) I would of been the 1st to agree and say great post (not that you need my blessing but shows that I'm not the hater you think I am towards you).
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