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M

murphmac

I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:

New York City does not have an oldies station, a country station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE IS THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it the world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY USELESS!!!!!!

Jim
 
> I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
>
> New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE IS
> THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
> here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it the
> world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> USELESS!!!!!!
>
> Jim
>

The FCC doesn't have anything to do with what format a station runs. They don't care if their's no oldies station in the city or no alternative, etc.
 
> I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
>
> New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE IS
> THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
> here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it the
> world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> USELESS!!!!!!

The reason why WNEW "failed" was simple - the ego of Howard Stern caused any sort of talk/rock format to be crippled out of the gate. Make no mistake - WYSP in Philly with Howard in the Morning, O&A in the afternoons, and rock at night was wildly successful.

If WNEW went Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez, it would have been perfect.

As stated before - The FCC doesn't care. The formats here SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
 
> > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> >
> > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE
> IS
> > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
>
> > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> the
> > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > USELESS!!!!!!
>
> The reason why WNEW "failed" was simple - the ego of Howard
> Stern caused any sort of talk/rock format to be crippled out
> of the gate. Make no mistake - WYSP in Philly with Howard
> in the Morning, O&A in the afternoons, and rock at night was
> wildly successful.
>
> If WNEW went Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez, it would have been
> perfect.
>
> As stated before - The FCC doesn't care. The formats here
> SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
>

On the Surface Starscream it may have looked that way to you but there was more to it than that. The problem that stations that ahd Howard in mornings and O and A in PM drive had was not ratings but revenue. WBCN could not sell either daypart because of the content of the shows especially O and A, many advertisers would not buy either because of their perception that the shows were too "chocking" so the advertisers that would not buy Stern and there were TONS (the saying always was that there are more that wont buy Stern than will) that money would have to be made up in PD drive so the McDOnalds of the world and Burger King's that spend tons needed to be sold in PM drive, most of the same advertisers that would not advertise on Howard would nto even go near O and a becuase of the content. Yes both shows produced HUGE HUGE numbers but they were not easily sold, WBCn had big revenue problems and despite what you have heard I know that WYSP had similar problems billing as well, for the reasons described. So a lot of money was spent on mid days which traditionally costs a lot less to advertise in because there are a lot less listeners ther e.........And what station can survive billing mostly on mid days?........ THAt was the problem much more than anyone's ego.
 
Once O&A got booted from WNEW...WNEW was doomed. End of story.




> > > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> > >
> > > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
>
> > > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3
> goes
> > > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!!
> WHERE
> > IS
> > > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking
> alot
> >
> > > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> > the
> > > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > > USELESS!!!!!!
> >
> > The reason why WNEW "failed" was simple - the ego of
> Howard
> > Stern caused any sort of talk/rock format to be crippled
> out
> > of the gate. Make no mistake - WYSP in Philly with Howard
>
> > in the Morning, O&A in the afternoons, and rock at night
> was
> > wildly successful.
> >
> > If WNEW went Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez, it would have been
> > perfect.
> >
> > As stated before - The FCC doesn't care. The formats here
>
> > SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
> >
>
> On the Surface Starscream it may have looked that way to you
> but there was more to it than that. The problem that
> stations that ahd Howard in mornings and O and A in PM drive
> had was not ratings but revenue. WBCN could not sell either
> daypart because of the content of the shows especially O and
> A, many advertisers would not buy either because of their
> perception that the shows were too "chocking" so the
> advertisers that would not buy Stern and there were TONS
> (the saying always was that there are more that wont buy
> Stern than will) that money would have to be made up in PD
> drive so the McDOnalds of the world and Burger King's that
> spend tons needed to be sold in PM drive, most of the same
> advertisers that would not advertise on Howard would nto
> even go near O and a becuase of the content. Yes both shows
> produced HUGE HUGE numbers but they were not easily sold,
> WBCn had big revenue problems and despite what you have
> heard I know that WYSP had similar problems billing as well,
> for the reasons described. So a lot of money was spent on
> mid days which traditionally costs a lot less to advertise
> in because there are a lot less listeners ther e.........And
> what station can survive billing mostly on mid days?........
> THAt was the problem much more than anyone's ego.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
SDMF</P>
 
> Once O&A got booted from WNEW...WNEW was doomed. End of
> story.

Ill agree with you there, the TALK format was doomed yes.
>
>
>
>
> > > > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> > > >
> > > > New York City does not have an oldies station, a
> country
> >
> > > > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3
> > goes
> > > > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!!
> > WHERE
> > > IS
> > > > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
>
> > > > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking
> > alot
> > >
> > > > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city
> it
> > > the
> > > > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
>
> > > > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > > > USELESS!!!!!!
> > >
> > > The reason why WNEW "failed" was simple - the ego of
> > Howard
> > > Stern caused any sort of talk/rock format to be crippled
>
> > out
> > > of the gate. Make no mistake - WYSP in Philly with
> Howard
> >
> > > in the Morning, O&A in the afternoons, and rock at night
>
> > was
> > > wildly successful.
> > >
> > > If WNEW went Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez, it would have been
> > > perfect.
> > >
> > > As stated before - The FCC doesn't care. The formats
> here
> >
> > > SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
> > >
> >
> > On the Surface Starscream it may have looked that way to
> you
> > but there was more to it than that. The problem that
> > stations that ahd Howard in mornings and O and A in PM
> drive
> > had was not ratings but revenue. WBCN could not sell
> either
> > daypart because of the content of the shows especially O
> and
> > A, many advertisers would not buy either because of their
> > perception that the shows were too "chocking" so the
> > advertisers that would not buy Stern and there were TONS
> > (the saying always was that there are more that wont buy
> > Stern than will) that money would have to be made up in
> PD
> > drive so the McDOnalds of the world and Burger King's that
>
> > spend tons needed to be sold in PM drive, most of the same
>
> > advertisers that would not advertise on Howard would nto
> > even go near O and a becuase of the content. Yes both
> shows
> > produced HUGE HUGE numbers but they were not easily sold,
> > WBCn had big revenue problems and despite what you have
> > heard I know that WYSP had similar problems billing as
> well,
> > for the reasons described. So a lot of money was spent on
>
> > mid days which traditionally costs a lot less to advertise
>
> > in because there are a lot less listeners ther
> e.........And
> > what station can survive billing mostly on mid
> days?........
> > THAt was the problem much more than anyone's ego.
> >
>
 
The FCC's job is not to decide what we listen to, if that's what you want may I suggest a move to China or Cuba? We still live in a beautiful market-driven world where ultimately listeners get to vote on what works and what doesn't.

Corporate control may be difficult for some to swallow, but ultimately PEOPLE make the choices of what will be heard.

Putting faith in a GOVT to choose what we hear, and read, and watch is not just wrong, it's terrifying.

Bud
>
 
Seriously, you wouldn't really want the FCC to be involved in programming decisions, would you???

> I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
>
> New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE IS
> THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
> here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it the
> world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> USELESS!!!!!!
>
> Jim
>
 
You should have expected this to happen.
Commercial radio has been moving away from creative programming since
consultants were first used to program commercial radio stations.
Now is your chance to put your money where your mouth is and support monetarily WFUV which is a great AAA station, WBGO which plays real jazz, and WFMU which is a true alternative station.
They don't play commercials, and they need the support of armchair programmers like you.
Nah, of course not, it's a whole lot easier to whine about Infinity making stupid programming decisions!

Seriously, you wouldn't really want the FCC to be involved
> in programming decisions, would you???
>
> > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> >
> > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE
> IS
> > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
>
> > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> the
> > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > USELESS!!!!!!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> <P ID="signature">______________
Norm Rosen
</P>
 
> Seriously, you wouldn't really want the FCC to be involved
> in programming decisions, would you???
>
> > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> >
> > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE
> IS
> > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
>
> > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> the
> > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > USELESS!!!!!!
> >
> > Jim




> >Actually you really are right but you have to blame somebody for this mess.

Thanks !

Jim
>
 
> You should have expected this to happen.
> Commercial radio has been moving away from creative
> programming since
> consultants were first used to program commercial radio
> stations.
> Now is your chance to put your money where your mouth is and
> support monetarily WFUV which is a great AAA station, WBGO
> which plays real jazz, and WFMU which is a true alternative
> station.
> They don't play commercials, and they need the support of
> armchair programmers like you.
> Nah, of course not, it's a whole lot easier to whine about
> Infinity making stupid programming decisions!
>
> Seriously, you wouldn't really want the FCC to be involved
> > in programming decisions, would you???
> >
> > > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> > >
> > > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
>
> > > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3
> goes
> > > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!!
> WHERE
> > IS
> > > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking
> alot
> >
> > > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> > the
> > > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > > USELESS!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >

Norm - thanks - WFUV is really a great station! I hope it stays that way! It's the only one I'll listen to along with NPR sometimes in NYC. Also you are right - I was in a rage and started blaming the FCC - God knows what would happen in they got involved!!


Jim
> >
>
 
> The FCC's job is not to decide what we listen to, if that's
> what you want may I suggest a move to China or Cuba? We
> still live in a beautiful market-driven world where
> ultimately listeners get to vote on what works and what
> doesn't.
>
> Corporate control may be difficult for some to swallow, but
> ultimately PEOPLE make the choices of what will be heard.
>
> Putting faith in a GOVT to choose what we hear, and read,
> and watch is not just wrong, it's terrifying.
>
> Bud
> >
> Bud -

Thanks for your insulting e-mail! I agree with you that we don't want the FCC to control programming. I disagree - radio especially in NYC really is lacking in mainstream formats. NO WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR ON THE RADIO!!!!!

I was in commercial radio for over 20 years - NO - THE AUDIENCE CAN'T CHOOSE. THE DJ CAN'T EVEN CHOOSE. THE CONSULTANTS CHOOSE!!!!! THATS THE WAY IT WORKS!!!


Satellite is an answer because you can choose for a bunch of formats - also listen to you own playlists but RADIO - FORGET IT - YOU ARE SHOVELLED THE S--T THAT THEY ARE DISHING OUT.
 
>
> The FCC doesn't have anything to do with what format a
> station runs. They don't care if their's no oldies station
> in the city or no alternative, etc.
>

True. What we really need is for the FCC to reinstitute
the ownership caps and make the big corporations sell
off some of their stations.

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
>
> True. What we really need is for the FCC to reinstitute
> the ownership caps and make the big corporations sell
> off some of their stations.

Why? What good would that do? If I'm not mistaken, many of the 'niche' formats have flourished during the reign of big corporate radio.

The same issue in New York would occur if each individual station was owned by separate for-profit companies. The fact is: nu-metal and country just don't do well in NYC!

Personally, I think most of these big companies don't know how to run a format. HOWEVER, why should the feds get involved? We, as radio geeks, are very sensitive to what the market is like. The majority of people don't give a damn about how many stations Clear Channel or Emmis owns!

Simply put, if a LOT of New Yorkers demand a rock format again, then I can assure you a company will put the format on the air in NYC. However, K-Rock's ratings did not show that a lot of New Yorkers wanted a rock format.

Radio-X <P ID="signature">______________
"Raindrops on Roses
Happy Disney Animals
This make my parts hurt." -Fight Club</P>
 
Move north, to Albany....3 Classic Rockers, 2 Modern Rockers, a full time FM Oldies station, as well as an AM "Real Oldies" station...


I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
>
> New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
> station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3 goes
> talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!! WHERE IS
> THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking alot
> here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it the
> world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> USELESS!!!!!!
>
> Jim
>
 
> > > I don't mean to be cynical but let me say this:
> > >
> > > New York City does not have an oldies station, a country
>
> > > station an alternative station etc. ect and now 92.3
> goes
> > > talk!! The way of WNEW-FM who failed miserably!!!!!
> WHERE
> > IS
> > > THE FCC? Are they going to let the corporate world run
> > > radio. If so - why do we need them???? We are lacking
> alot
> >
> > > here in what is supposed to be the most diverse city it
> > the
> > > world. Radio in NYC is certainly not diverse!!! I HAVE
> > > ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE FCC --THEY ARE TOTALLY
> > > USELESS!!!!!!
> >
> > The reason why WNEW "failed" was simple - the ego of
> Howard
> > Stern caused any sort of talk/rock format to be crippled
> out
> > of the gate. Make no mistake - WYSP in Philly with Howard
>
> > in the Morning, O&A in the afternoons, and rock at night
> was
> > wildly successful.
> >
> > If WNEW went Stern/O&A/Ron and Fez, it would have been
> > perfect.
> >
> > As stated before - The FCC doesn't care. The formats here
>
> > SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
> >
>
> On the Surface Starscream it may have looked that way to you
> but there was more to it than that. The problem that
> stations that ahd Howard in mornings and O and A in PM drive
> had was not ratings but revenue. WBCN could not sell either
> daypart because of the content of the shows especially O and
> A, many advertisers would not buy either because of their
> perception that the shows were too "chocking" so the
> advertisers that would not buy Stern and there were TONS
> (the saying always was that there are more that wont buy
> Stern than will) that money would have to be made up in PD
> drive so the McDOnalds of the world and Burger King's that
> spend tons needed to be sold in PM drive, most of the same
> advertisers that would not advertise on Howard would nto
> even go near O and a becuase of the content. Yes both shows
> produced HUGE HUGE numbers but they were not easily sold,
> WBCn had big revenue problems and despite what you have
> heard I know that WYSP had similar problems billing as well,
> for the reasons described. So a lot of money was spent on
> mid days which traditionally costs a lot less to advertise
> in because there are a lot less listeners ther e.........And
> what station can survive billing mostly on mid days?........
> THAt was the problem much more than anyone's ego.
>



If what you say is true and from what I have been told it is, then why would they put more or less teh same format on the air on 92.3 as they did years ago on 102.7? The only difference is this version is minus a few well known names who are now on satellite radio but the content is the same. Negative.
 
>
> Why? What good would that do? If I'm not mistaken, many of
> the 'niche' formats have flourished during the reign of big
> corporate radio.

I think that if there are caps that we would have more
diversity in programing since we would have more companies
involved.

>
> The same issue in New York would occur if each individual
> station was owned by separate for-profit companies. The fact
> is: nu-metal and country just don't do well in NYC!

I'm not just talking about New York, but all over the U.S.
Nor am I talking about any specific format. Maybe country
could do well in New York and the right variation hasn't
been tried yet, I really don't know.

>
> Personally, I think most of these big companies don't know
> how to run a format. HOWEVER, why should the feds get
> involved? We, as radio geeks, are very sensitive to what the
> market is like. The majority of people don't give a damn
> about how many stations Clear Channel or Emmis owns!

I agree with the first part but I don't think the FCC should
have ever gotten UNinvolved. There was at one time a cap on
ownership and it was done away with. I think that was a
mistake.

>
> Simply put, if a LOT of New Yorkers demand a rock format
> again, then I can assure you a company will put the format
> on the air in NYC. However, K-Rock's ratings did not show
> that a lot of New Yorkers wanted a rock format.

See my 3rd paragraph.
have a good day

Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
 
NO CAPS

The caps that were in place did nothing but create a situation where multiple companies chased after the same demographics. In mid-size markets, the loosening of caps has created much more diversity. Big government is not going to help the situation at all.

You are seeing things backwards. For example, if you are given a frequency, you are a fool to pre-decide what the format will be. The correct method is to:
1. decide who your customer is.
2. find where your customer is.
3. look at the barriers to entry (cost of station, employees, competition, return on investment).
4. provide a product your customer will want to consume.

If you decide you want a, fill in the blank, format without looking at the above basic factors then you are doomed from day one.

Thanks.
 
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