Anyone have the 411 on this Translator going off the air? This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of KISM 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month. I never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at 3 meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must take their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this off the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
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92.9 Mhz Translator Recinded
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> Anyone have the 411 on this Translator going off the air?
> This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of KISM
> 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month. I
> never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
> the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
> 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at 3
> meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must take
> their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this off
> the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
For decades, KISW and KZOK had cable fed translators in West Seattle. Still do?
Exceptions are often made. You don't think those CSN stations get their feed from Twin Falls, ID off the air in say...Arlington? (on 97.7 there..)
>
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> This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of KISM
> 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month. I
> never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
> the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
> 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at 3
> meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must take
> their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this off
> the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
For decades, KISW and KZOK had cable fed translators in West Seattle. Still do?
Exceptions are often made. You don't think those CSN stations get their feed from Twin Falls, ID off the air in say...Arlington? (on 97.7 there..)
>
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"If I were in this business only for the business, I wouldn't be in this business." Samuel Goldwyn
[email protected]
</P>
> > Anyone have the 411 on this Translator going off the air?
> > This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> > day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of
> KISM
> > 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month.
> I
> > never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
>
> > the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
>
> > 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at
> 3
> > meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> > stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must
> take
> > their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this
> off
> > the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
>
> For decades, KISW and KZOK had cable fed translators in West
> Seattle. Still do?
>
> Exceptions are often made. You don't think those CSN
> stations get their feed from Twin Falls, ID off the air in
> say...Arlington? (on 97.7 there..)
> >
>
I believe the rule is that if the translator is a fill-in translator...if it is within the primary contour of the station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be fed off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> > This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> > day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of
> KISM
> > 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month.
> I
> > never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
>
> > the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
>
> > 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at
> 3
> > meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> > stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must
> take
> > their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this
> off
> > the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
>
> For decades, KISW and KZOK had cable fed translators in West
> Seattle. Still do?
>
> Exceptions are often made. You don't think those CSN
> stations get their feed from Twin Falls, ID off the air in
> say...Arlington? (on 97.7 there..)
> >
>
I believe the rule is that if the translator is a fill-in translator...if it is within the primary contour of the station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be fed off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> > I believe the rule is that if the translator is a fill-in
> > translator...if it is within the primary contour of the
> > station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be fed
> > off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> >
> YUP
>
Yes, of course. But this translator came from an LPFM station on the coast, and the translator's frequency is in the Commercial Band, and thus must be fed by an off-air signal. In the Non-Com band, which many of the bible thumpers are utilizing, they can feed by any means, including Satellite. There is a proposal before the Commish asking for all translator frequencies to be fed by any means.
If this goes through, you'll hear those guys all over the dial, beaming from Twin Falls or other outside market location. However, The NAB and Media Access project disagrees with this petition, so we'll see what happens.
> > translator...if it is within the primary contour of the
> > station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be fed
> > off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> >
> YUP
>
Yes, of course. But this translator came from an LPFM station on the coast, and the translator's frequency is in the Commercial Band, and thus must be fed by an off-air signal. In the Non-Com band, which many of the bible thumpers are utilizing, they can feed by any means, including Satellite. There is a proposal before the Commish asking for all translator frequencies to be fed by any means.
If this goes through, you'll hear those guys all over the dial, beaming from Twin Falls or other outside market location. However, The NAB and Media Access project disagrees with this petition, so we'll see what happens.
D
dickfry
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> Anyone have the 411 on this Translator going off the air?
> This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of KISM
> 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month. I
> never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
> the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
> 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at 3
> meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must take
> their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this off
> the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
>
If you take a look at the paperwork, you'll find:
The originating station is on a 150 foot tower in Hoquiam. Height above average terrain can be very misleading in rough terrain.
The LPFM signal is being relayed by another translator on a mountain south of Shelton. The documents show that the 92.9 translator in Seattle was receiving its signal from the intermediate translator.
Theoretically this probably would work, since each path appears to be line of sight to the middle translator and only about 50 miles per hop.
-Big Dick
> This translator's license was recinded by the FCC a few
> day's ago on 2/28/06. Saga Communications, licensee of KISM
> 92.9 Mhz, Bellingham filed a Petition to Deny last month. I
> never could figure out how they got an off-air signal from
> the primary LP station in Aberdeen as that station is over
> 70 or 80 miles away and their transmit site is very low at 3
> meters height above average terrain (HAAT). FCC rules
> stipulate that in the commercial band, translators must take
> their feed off-air. I've alway's suspected they got this off
> the internet, which, of course, would be ILLEGAL.
>
If you take a look at the paperwork, you'll find:
The originating station is on a 150 foot tower in Hoquiam. Height above average terrain can be very misleading in rough terrain.
The LPFM signal is being relayed by another translator on a mountain south of Shelton. The documents show that the 92.9 translator in Seattle was receiving its signal from the intermediate translator.
Theoretically this probably would work, since each path appears to be line of sight to the middle translator and only about 50 miles per hop.
-Big Dick
> > > I believe the rule is that if the translator is a
> fill-in
> > > translator...if it is within the primary contour of the
> > > station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be
> fed
> > > off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> > >
> > YUP
> >
> Yes, of course. But this translator came from an LPFM
> station on the coast, and the translator's frequency is in
> the Commercial Band, and thus must be fed by an off-air
> signal. In the Non-Com band, which many of the bible
> thumpers are utilizing, they can feed by any means,
> including Satellite. There is a proposal before the Commish
> asking for all translator frequencies to be fed by any
> means.
> If this goes through, you'll hear those guys all over the
> dial, beaming from Twin Falls or other outside market
> location. However, The NAB and Media Access project
> disagrees with this petition, so we'll see what happens.
Well, the crew down at KISM are thrilled. It seems like they've been beaming south - south east for a long time, because of 93.1 Vancouver or they just can't get any ad revenue from there without incurring the bloody wrath of an howling mob of Canadian radio sales execs.
So a focus towards Seattle way. And I have to admit, I could get KISM almost perfectly in downtown Seattle in my wife's car. They do carry a great south punch and they do have a loyal following in Seattle.
>
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"If I were in this business only for the business, I wouldn't be in this business." Samuel Goldwyn
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</P>
> fill-in
> > > translator...if it is within the primary contour of the
> > > station it is translating, that it doesn't have to be
> fed
> > > off air, it can be fed via stl, cable, etc.
> > >
> > YUP
> >
> Yes, of course. But this translator came from an LPFM
> station on the coast, and the translator's frequency is in
> the Commercial Band, and thus must be fed by an off-air
> signal. In the Non-Com band, which many of the bible
> thumpers are utilizing, they can feed by any means,
> including Satellite. There is a proposal before the Commish
> asking for all translator frequencies to be fed by any
> means.
> If this goes through, you'll hear those guys all over the
> dial, beaming from Twin Falls or other outside market
> location. However, The NAB and Media Access project
> disagrees with this petition, so we'll see what happens.
Well, the crew down at KISM are thrilled. It seems like they've been beaming south - south east for a long time, because of 93.1 Vancouver or they just can't get any ad revenue from there without incurring the bloody wrath of an howling mob of Canadian radio sales execs.
So a focus towards Seattle way. And I have to admit, I could get KISM almost perfectly in downtown Seattle in my wife's car. They do carry a great south punch and they do have a loyal following in Seattle.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"If I were in this business only for the business, I wouldn't be in this business." Samuel Goldwyn
[email protected]
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