93.3 The Bone

[GRAYWOLF]

I do not want corporate America deciding what goes on Public radio.

"Public radio" should not even exist as an extension of the government. If the people want "public radio" they will keep it afloat.

Listeners should have the say

They do, They have the option of changing stations and/or changing radios (Satellite/HD).

 

[theshadow]

Trash is the key word here.... and the trailer-trash mentality of Classic Rock Radio Programmers

I'm sort of befuddled as to whether to be offended by that
comment or not. While I agree most Classic Rock programming
could use a serious overhaul, are you insinuating that just because
I enjoy listening to Classic Rock music that I am that CR PD's
supposedly targeted "trailer trash"?

I certainly hope not, because I'll have you know I don't live in
a double wide, have not had sexual relations with any cousins,
do not beat my wife, and have all my teeth.

As a matter of fact, I have a very nice house in the
most desirable community of the metroplex, new cars,
and my significant other happens to be a sales rep that
handles 10 million dollar deals on a frequent basis.

Trailer trash we ain't bubba! :'(

 

[TheRover]

Therre are those that prefer to listen to just the hits.... the most "popular" songs, of whatever genre.....

That is one mentality. What I refer to as the "AM" mentality, the "Top 40" mentality. (Or Top 100 or Top 200.....same thing....). It applies to pop-rock, soft-rock, alt-rock, etc.....

Then, you have the "FM" mentality, when FM was about doing what AM wasn't about.... Longer album cuts, cool and laid back DJ playing music that they loved, really loved, and not stuff they are 'paid' to pretend they really like, whether they are sick of it or not. The 'in your face' AM DJ chatter was not found on these cool DM stations. Endless promotions and contests, and wise-cracks.... not to be found on cool FM stations.... Just cool music.

So, today Classic Rock is a hybrid of AM & FM, but a hybrid that errs way too much in the AM format.

It was this difference between AM and FM that made me love FM rock radio. I n-e-v-e-r was fan of AM Top 40 stations. Classic Rock is an offshoot of that. I will never like the Classic Rock format. Never.

What I do champion is the Rock/Album Rock format. It's a matter of taste. The Bone is a "Classic Rock" station. Their playlists will always be mostly the same old same old..... There's a thousand albums--- they could play from. But instead, they play mostly the same five to six hundred songs, wekk after week after week.

That has never been, not will ever be satisfying to me. But, it apparently does satisfy those with a trailer-park mentality of taking whatever is given to them, and liking it.

The corporate infulence that has squeezed out Album Rock from DFW is troubling to me. Simply turning off 93.3 and 102.1, does not leave me satisfied or content.

Give me a real choice, and I will make it.

Once people had an altenative to ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, & CNN News, then with FOX News, they had a subatantive choice, a real alternative, and the viewership of those other networks have decreased, and will not return to their former glory.

Yes, I wolud love to have a real choice for Rock music in the DFW area on terrestrial radio. How can the market choose an option that is not there ? ?

 

[Caveman]

No matter what a PD/consultant does as far as programming, there will always be people whining about the playlist.

 

[Robert Bass]

No matter what a PD/consultant does as far as programming, there will always be people whining about the playlist.

Indeed!

R

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

True,but considering there are few PD's who actually program a station without a regional VP of PD's telling them what to play or some centralized playlist. The other problem is very few Pd's for one station One format. They have to be a pd of several station with several formats and the wisdom is diluted and homogonized. There Ladies and gentlemen is why radio is not very attractive anymore to a listener stuck with the shortened playlist mentality,along with lack of true creativity and talent.

 

[CW]

Absolutely. In a rotation scheme I had to work with a station we had the old file card system and had the liberty of choosing from the first 4 cards toplay when that catagory came up. WE could play requests as long as the song was not played in 3 hours and we wrote them down. "Gold" (oldies" was used as filler until we got back onto the program clock. It also made it ,believe it or not, easier to back time and when you hit your marks on the second ,it was a source of pride and accomplishment. So you actually worked your shift,instead of a computer working it for you,plus you still had a human element that your listener could relate to,
not a stale liner of the minute.

And that's the way it was. We had records instead of the file cards in different slots. Funny how about three of the "first four cards" stayed in front most of the time.

In the 70s, I did it with records and carts at different stations.....we usually came so close to the TOH, it would make an automation system sick...oh, the memories

 

[TheRover]

Right Now . . . The Bone is playing a poor selection from the Hard Rock band Van Halen. The Bone's computer has selected this tripe -- "Dance The Night Away".
Not that really belongs on a Top 40 "Hit" station..... But wait.... that's what 93.3 really is, in a matter of speaking. "They're giving you the 'Best' Hits, which, obvious to everyone, does not mean they're giving us the 'Best' rock.

This is not whining.... this is valid criticism. Just because a band records and the record company releases a single, does not mean all of America was dying to hear that song. They weren't. I cannot consider a "rock" sation respectable that would play that song... instead any number of other VH songs that really ROCK.

It's just a poor and bad selection. I'll bet the DJ who got to air "Dance The Night Away" thinks they're doing their listeners a service. Ha! They want to do their Bosses and Advertisers service... and that's where the caring stops, due to coporate constraints.

I guess the Bone's target audience is really 12 -- and under (that's mentally -- and-- physically..)

 

[Robert Bass]

Whine whine whine... complain... complain... complain.

Do you want some cheese with your whine?

R

 

[little1]

Right Now . . . The Bone is playing a poor selection from the Hard Rock band Van Halen. The Bone's computer has selected this tripe -- "Dance The Night Away".
Not that really belongs on a Top 40 "Hit" station..... But wait.... that's what 93.3 really is, in a matter of speaking. "They're giving you the 'Best' Hits, which, obvious to everyone, does not mean they're giving us the 'Best' rock.

This is not whining.... this is valid criticism. Just because a band records and the record company releases a single, does not mean all of America was dying to hear that song. They weren't. I cannot consider a "rock" sation respectable that would play that song... instead any number of other VH songs that really ROCK.

It's just a poor and bad selection.

See, Van Halen is radio kyrptonite for me. They're one of those bands that I just don't care for. But if I had to listen to a VH song, at least Dance the night away has a little bit of a medly, and some decent singing (background singing to be exact)...

You think it's a poor selection. I think it's one of their better songs.

And that's why reading your posts is a waste of time. You're completely incapable of seperating your tastes from your programming. You want to play what you like, or what you 'think' rocks. Which would probably give us a station that YOU like, and that's about it...

You guys that come on here and bitch about research and corporate dictates and the rest crack me up. Because it's so obvious- they don't play what YOU like, and you're obviously not in a position to change what they play, so you bitch, moan and complain...

Yet you never consider that maybe it's YOUR tastes that are the problem...Maybe the VH that you think 'rocks' isn't the VH that most people would prefer to hear...

But oh yeah, you've got an answer for that don't you? People just aren't smart enough to know what's good....Elitist much?

 

[Robert Bass]

You hit the nail on the head, little1.

I would suspect if Rover was given full reign to program in a top 10 market, the station would be lucky to see 0.1, if even that.

You cannot allow personal taste to dictate what you play, as much as an evil temptation that might be. The sooner Rover admits this to himself, the better.

R

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Little 1 got mighty defensive. Could it be others who criticize CONsultants, sales, etc .strike too close to his home? Could it be the critics of the aforementioned could possibly be right? Could it be the "research" they champion is flawed ? Its possible,and most likely is,but dont tell them that. Spinning numbers ia an art to them and every Tax advisor.

 

[TheRover]

I would answer little one like this:

FALSE ADVERTISING: "THE BONE ROCKS HARDER"

A reasonable individual would assume that rocking harder, would reference rocking harder than the competition. Van Halen's "Dance The Night Away" is one of their more commercial "pop-rock" releases, and in the world of VH, is clearly on the "light" end of what they do. For a Top 40 Pop song, it is okay.

But the issue is why The Bone, who openly states that they "rock harder", would play this song, instead of a VH song that actually rocker harder.....

Or maybe .... hwta The Bone really means when they state they "Rock Harder". is that they mean they rock harder than Magic 102.9........ But then, that would not be useful information, except perhaps to little1 ? ?

My discussion is not about which "Top 40" pop-rock hit that a (Classic) rock station should be playing, but instead, my discussion is which NON-Top 40 Pop-Rock Hits, that a Dallas Rock station should be playing...

There's nothing that you or anyone could "tweak" in the commercial pop-rock hit list that I would consider an improvement! I'd throw the whole hit list out, and play song that Rock on a "Rock" station. I'd leave the commercial hits for "Lite-Rock", Top 40-ish stations to play with.....

But, I digress..... The Bone --is-- a Classic Rock station, and so by definition, they will by design play all of the commerical rock hits from their stable of artists, and they will, by design, --not-- play the songs by those artists that rock the hardest, regardless of what their moniker says!! People like me who enjoy songs that rock harder by the artists that The Bone plays, are just out of luck.

And even when they might occasionally play something that rocks just a little more than the commercial stuff, those songs are "the same ones", so that.... is tired and and boring already. When something is stale and has no taste, you'd think I'd know it. I think that they operators must think that if they "spice" the stale songs with enough salt & pepper, ie DJ CHatter and contests and promotions.... that that should keep theirlisteners satisfied.

Like eating bland food at a dive somewhere..... "If you put enough salt and pepper and ketchup on it..... 'It tastes Good' ". Well, I don't think my "tastes" are elitist. I simply expect what I induldge in to taste good without heavy doeses of 'salt & pepper'. I like good meals, and I do not like junk food all of the time. Junk food junkies.... that's who The Bones advertisers are trying to reach.

I want a meal, and not a 'snack', and I would expect one from a station that claims to 'Rock Harder' !!

Junk food --- all of the time --- That's how I see Dallas Rock radio.

It's not Fuddruckers.... not even McDonald's... Dallas radio is 7-11 to go.

AND THEIR SALES REPORTS SHOW THAT THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT ! !

Does that mean that their is nothing better ? ? Well that depends on who you are con-sulting. Sales reports and profit margins are the driving force behind the quality of all Dallas "rock" stations. The masses have spoken, and they want it bland and homoginized, and we will deliver it. If you want excitement---- just look at our "Morning Show" and at our "contests and promotions"... now that--- we're really proud of !!!

Ohhhh MY !!

 

[Robert Bass]

But the issue is why The Bone, who openly states that they "rock harder", would play this song, instead of a VH song that actually rocker harder.....

BECAUSE FOR SOME LISTENERS, THIS SONG "ROCKS HARDER"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry Rover, but as long as you keep using your personal baised feelings about what songs do and don't "rock harder", you will never get it. It makes no difference whether or not the songs charted in the top 40 or not.

R

 

[little1]

Little 1 got mighty defensive. Could it be others who criticize CONsultants, sales, etc .strike too close to his home? Could it be the critics of the aforementioned could possibly be right? Could it be the "research" they champion is flawed ? Its possible,and most likely is,but dont tell them that. Spinning numbers ia an art to them and every Tax advisor.

See Robert Bass's answer above.

And it's not defensive so much as realizing that reading the rover is a waste of time. He brings nothing except his dislike for the current status quo to the table.

Hey, if you want to tell me that playing to narrow a playlist will hurt the ratings, then bring me examples where a station has expanded their playlist and not taken a hit in TSL...Bring me something that backs up what you're saying, instead of just saying the same thing over and over and over and over..

As is, as R-Bass noted above, for Rover this is all about his personal taste. What he likes and doesn't like, what he thinks would sound good and what wouldn't.

The problem with that is that letting your personal taste program a radio station is a recipe for disaster. Hey, I don't like rap music, but if I was programming Kiss 106, I'd make damn sure to swallow my personal taste and play what 'the kids' are listening to these days...
It's the same for classic rock...My personal taste would dictate no Van Halen...but I know those listeners like that band...so do I play a song that most of my listeners might like (Dance thenight away) or do I play something 'harder' to make Rover happy?

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

I am not defending Rover at all. He too is narrow in scope . IF I presented you evidence ,you would spin away at it, and note that it was a fluke, etc. There is no way to convince you otherwise,except to say,overall radio listenership is down, and still going down. Your present formula of a shortened play list, over bloated commercial loads ,no quality,no true head to competition is slowly eroding away at the listener base. You are as guilty as I of saying things over and over again. You maybe doing just okay now,but your headed for a disaster if you don't modify and actually listen to listeners, not just ad agencies.

 

[little1]

Your present formula of a shortened play list, over bloated commercial loads ,no quality,no true head to competition is slowly eroding away at the listener base. You are as guilty as I of saying things over and over again. You maybe doing just okay now,but your headed for a disaster if you don't modify and actually listen to listeners, not just ad agencies.

MY present formula? Please link me to where I've called for short playlists, more commercials, no competition, etc...

I'll wait...

(And while we're waiting, I'll point out that I'm just telling you how I see things. Not how I want them to be. Would I love to see wider playlists, sure. But I also know that most reputable programmers will tell you that if you broaden your playlist, you shorten your TSL. Which impact ratings, which impact revenue, which leads to format changes...My point has ALWAYS been that there's a middle ground- someplace between "Sweet Clean Jesus, Stairway to Heaven AGAIN" and playing some little known track from freaking "Coda" that even Zep fans have a hard time recognizing....)

 

[theshadow]

BECAUSE FOR SOME LISTENERS, THIS SONG "ROCKS HARDER"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it just all boils down to everyone's definition of rock music. I've always
considered Van Halen as POP ROCK. And by that, I mean ALL of their songs.
Not sure what Rover means about their "harder" songs (back in the day, I
actually heard "Runnin' With The Devil" on Top 40). All of them have a
"poppish" edge to them, and they were no comparison whatsoever to the
"heavy metal" bands such as Megadeth, Dokken, Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Ozzy,
or (even Pantera) of that time and music period.

The reason Van Halen became "POP-ular" was their "rock" music had broad
appeal, and crossed the boundary between an obscure unknown (and lightly
played) tune to one that could be easily heard and loved on AOR stations of
the day, as well as Top 40.

When "Jump" was on the charts it could be heard EVERYWHERE, not just
AOR. And that song (among many) made the band one of the most
money making, most well known "rock" bands of all time.

 

[little1]

BECAUSE FOR SOME LISTENERS, THIS SONG "ROCKS HARDER"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it just all boils down to everyone's definition of rock music. I've always
considered Van Halen as POP ROCK. And by that, I mean ALL of their songs.
Not sure what Rover means about their "harder" songs
(snip)
, and they were no comparison whatsoever to the
"heavy metal" bands such as Megadeth, Dokken, Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Ozzy,
or (even Pantera) of that time and music period.

I just laugh because Rover doesn't like the current music on the Bone, it's too pop, too top 40, etc...But a year ago The Bone was playing a lot of DOkken, Maiden, Sabbath, plus all the hair metal bands to boot...Wonder if he was a fan of them when they rocked harder, or if he didn't like them because they weren't rocking harder with the songs that he THINKS are the 'right' ones...

Like I said, programming to personal tastes is idiotic...

 

[Robert Bass]

Me thinks Rover could solve this so-called problem with radio, by getting an Ipod and dubbing all the tracks he feels rock harder. He could even give his Ipod a fake call letter assignment like KRVR, or something like that.

;D

R