I do have to wonder why a station would schedule a major cash giveaway outside of the book, merely as a matter of idle curiosity, and in no way meaning to be critical, of course.
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Getting kinda tired of seeing all you "broadcast" experts ripping Joe.
He's actually working in the industry, still, and doing what real broadcasters do--bringing information and entertainment to his local audience.
While all of you quibble over what determines "local", Joe is still doing great LOCAL radio by definition, as he has done for many, many years.
If you don't like what he's playing or doing why not become pro-active and get hired by a radio station and DO something about it instead of whining, crying and portraying your jealousy of Joe in such infantile and sniveling ways. Oh, that's right. You can't. You're not talented enough.
Grow the f**k up! This is why the industry is so bad now--people like those whining on boards like this.
Keep rockin', Joe! At least you're still working and trying to keep a dying industry alive and for that you deserve big kudos...unlike the shut-ins and mouth-breathers posting here.
He's actually working in the industry, still, and doing what real broadcasters do--bringing information and entertainment to his local audience.
While all of you quibble over what determines "local", Joe is still doing great LOCAL radio by definition, as he has done for many, many years.
If you don't like what he's playing or doing why not become pro-active and get hired by a radio station and DO something about it instead of whining, crying and portraying your jealousy of Joe in such infantile and sniveling ways. Oh, that's right. You can't. You're not talented enough.
Grow the f**k up! This is why the industry is so bad now--people like those whining on boards like this.
Keep rockin', Joe! At least you're still working and trying to keep a dying industry alive and for that you deserve big kudos...unlike the shut-ins and mouth-breathers posting here.
DougD said:Hey Joe, Just curious --- I know THE WAVE'S COL is Milbridge, but where, actually, are the studios and the transmitter? I was in NB yesterday and listened almost all the way home from the Cherryfield area to Sedgwick. Great sound!
https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=44.642500,+-68.171667+(WRMO-FM)&om=1
rjoc,
When I heard them give their "legal" ID's recently, they were illegally placed in the stop set at :50-ish. Lots of stations did that back in the 80's, then the FCC clamped down and sent out citations and even fines for doing it.
The rules and regs clearly have said that the legal ID must be run as close to the top of the hour as possible.
Running it at :50 in the middle of a stop set, then playing two three minute songs is clearly not as close to the top of the hour as possible. That's why the fines happened. And maybe in cases like this where there are inexperienced owners and operators, the fines are *still* happening.
When I heard them give their "legal" ID's recently, they were illegally placed in the stop set at :50-ish. Lots of stations did that back in the 80's, then the FCC clamped down and sent out citations and even fines for doing it.
The rules and regs clearly have said that the legal ID must be run as close to the top of the hour as possible.
Running it at :50 in the middle of a stop set, then playing two three minute songs is clearly not as close to the top of the hour as possible. That's why the fines happened. And maybe in cases like this where there are inexperienced owners and operators, the fines are *still* happening.
Illegal, it may be... but it's not enforced. Hundreds, if not thousands of radio stations are, and have been running their LID in the last stopset for years. Listen around.
That Guy,
I may be old and retired, but I'm not deaf. So I listen around. I don't hear too many stations numb enough to do this anymore.
And I'm not blind either. I subscribe to all the trades online and I've seen the fines that the FCC has levied.
Be a "last stopset legal ID dinosaur" at your own risk, people.
Ray
I may be old and retired, but I'm not deaf. So I listen around. I don't hear too many stations numb enough to do this anymore.
And I'm not blind either. I subscribe to all the trades online and I've seen the fines that the FCC has levied.
Be a "last stopset legal ID dinosaur" at your own risk, people.
Ray
ray ting said:
You listen? Do you? Do you listen to stations online? Do you travel? Listen to stations outside of downeast Maine. It's happening, everywhere and has been. That's not to say that the FCC might not decide to fine some stations, but there are a LOT of stations that do it.
To Thatguy: Could you please post the website you use to show how many fines have been levied, how much and when? That would help this discussion. I did some research on several sites, including the FCC and couldn't find any info. The only thing I could find was a couple of warnings, but no fines. So, if you could post links to those sites you refer to, it would be helpful. It would appear this is not as big an issue as you seem to want to make it.
I have listened to this station and from what I hear, their ID at the top of the house says "WRMO, Milbridge" and then they mentioned some other towns.
I have listened to this station and from what I hear, their ID at the top of the house says "WRMO, Milbridge" and then they mentioned some other towns.
You're right, it's for Ray. And it's not that they aren't using it, it's that it's not played right at the top of the hour. My point was, tons of stations are running it buried in the last stopset. Been doing so for years. Ray just doesn't get out much.
Why have my posts been twisted around and interpreted as something that I never implied?
I said that gone are the days when most radio stations run their legal ID's in a stopset at :50. (I corrected an earlier poster's contention that to do so was "perfectly legal".)
What has happened, especially in major markets with PPM, is that stopsets have moved to the quarter-hour positions. So now many stopsets are running UP TO the top of the hour. Sure, there are tons of stations running their legal ID's in that stopset. An old buddy of mine who is a practicing FCC attorney says that legal ID's that run within around five minutes either way of the top of the hour are not cited by the Commission. So stations that are running their ID's within those parameters are not to be concerned.
I think, That Guy, that when you talk of stations running their legal ID's in the last stopset, that's what you're referring to? Yes? No? And sure, they are. But that's close enough so there's no chance of incurring the wrath of the FCC.
My fundamental point is this: whether or not you get caught is one thing. But in no way is it legal to run your legal ID at :50 or wherever, play two songs, and then not run it near the top of the hour.
Google for info on the citation that KBIG in Los Angeles is right now fighting for not identifying close to the top of the hour. I don't think anyone would like to be the programmer who gets this kind of notice from the Commission, and then has to explain it to their higher-ups. Doesn't make for good job security. The legal fees alone are far more painful than the FCC fine.
That was and is my point.
Peace!
I said that gone are the days when most radio stations run their legal ID's in a stopset at :50. (I corrected an earlier poster's contention that to do so was "perfectly legal".)
What has happened, especially in major markets with PPM, is that stopsets have moved to the quarter-hour positions. So now many stopsets are running UP TO the top of the hour. Sure, there are tons of stations running their legal ID's in that stopset. An old buddy of mine who is a practicing FCC attorney says that legal ID's that run within around five minutes either way of the top of the hour are not cited by the Commission. So stations that are running their ID's within those parameters are not to be concerned.
I think, That Guy, that when you talk of stations running their legal ID's in the last stopset, that's what you're referring to? Yes? No? And sure, they are. But that's close enough so there's no chance of incurring the wrath of the FCC.
My fundamental point is this: whether or not you get caught is one thing. But in no way is it legal to run your legal ID at :50 or wherever, play two songs, and then not run it near the top of the hour.
Google for info on the citation that KBIG in Los Angeles is right now fighting for not identifying close to the top of the hour. I don't think anyone would like to be the programmer who gets this kind of notice from the Commission, and then has to explain it to their higher-ups. Doesn't make for good job security. The legal fees alone are far more painful than the FCC fine.
That was and is my point.
Peace!
It's highly doubtful that the #1 station (according to the June Arbitron PPM's) -- and one that is owned by the largest radio license holder in the country -- would fail to ID at all.
I can guarantee you this: if we all listen to KBIG online right now, you'll hear the legal ID pretty damned close to the top of the hour.
I can guarantee you this: if we all listen to KBIG online right now, you'll hear the legal ID pretty damned close to the top of the hour.
Ray, I understand what you meant. :40, :45, :50... it doesn't matter. Many, many stations are playing their legal ID in their last stopet and not getting fined.
Can I just point out that just because you are getting away with breaking the law it does not mean you are not breaking the law. I think you will find that at the 3-station cluster where I work the ID's run pretty close, within a minute or two, to the top of the hour, and we seem to do just fine in the ratings. If you can't carry your audience for more than a single quarter-hour, perhaps your problem is not the placement of your legal ID's.
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