93 rock

[Adam1978]

93 rocks ratings continue to decline, what is wrong with the station? I say the lack of new rock variety. I never hear 311, candlebox, blink 192, or u2. I hear way to much ozzy, ac/dc, mettallica, and manson. They need to focus more on playing new rock.

Any suggestions

 

[midwestclubber]

Re: 93 SUX

> 93 rocks ratings continue to decline, what is wrong with the
> station? I say the lack of new rock variety. I never hear
> 311, candlebox, blink 192, or u2. I hear way to much ozzy,
> ac/dc, mettallica, and manson. They need to focus more on
> playing new rock.
>
> Any suggestions
>
If they wanted numbers, they should have stuck with dance, and hired some air talent, Promote the sh.t out of it, and play something other than Castles in the Sky 200 times a day. Oh, and update the playlist more than Once every 3 yrs. They should have at least went with a real Modern Rock format, and not run it like a Jukebox on a shoestring budget, which is what they do with Party, and 93 rock both.

 

[Radio-X]

The problem with 93 Rock/Cox

> If they wanted numbers, they should have stuck with dance,
> and hired some air talent, Promote the sh.t out of it, and
> play something other than Castles in the Sky 200 times a
> day. Oh, and update the playlist more than Once every 3 yrs.
> They should have at least went with a real Modern Rock
> format, and not run it like a Jukebox on a shoestring
> budget, which is what they do with Party, and 93 rock both.
>

1) They were too skiddish to try a full-blown alternative station...Zeta dabbled in it, and they got burned...if somebody could go full alternative, I tend to think they would do well

2) Cox VT's about 75% of their talent, and it's obvious (duh?)...Something Zeta did well was live jocks...by the way, what happened to Branzig, the dude who did the Red Eye Lounge overnights for awhile at 94-9?

3) Playlist is way too tight...it gets sorta tedious to hear 93 Rock for more than 3 hours at a time

Should we be worried about 93 Rock going bye-bye? I tend to not think so, as it really has nothing else to switch to...

If so, would anybody pick up rock? Would it be too much damaged goods?

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[954]

Re: The problem with 93 Rock/Cox

> Should we be worried about 93 Rock going bye-bye? I tend to
> not think so, as it really has nothing else to switch to...

Cox could always admit they were wrong when killing WTMI on 12/31/01, and go back to classical. Many fans would be eternally grateful!

Or they could revert to their Potty 93.1 format.

73s from 954

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[ScottBurns]

Re: The problem with 93 Rock/Cox

Looking at Miami's demographics, perhaps the Rock format is not the best fit. 93 Rock, first off, lacks the heritage that Zeta had. Second, perhaps the playlist should be expanded. Third, why not dabble with more Classic Rock, and perhaps experiment with a full-blown AOR station, therefore appealing to the largest audience possible?

 

[Ivan]

Bah

I think some of you guys complain too much. You were so close to not having a Rock station. It would suck to have nowhere to go. 93.1 is the most listenable station on Miami's airwaves. By the way, in case you've forgotten, Zeta sucked and I am glad they are gone.

Oh, don't hold your breath for a return to Classical or Dance. Classical will disappear in our lifetime. What can you say for Dance? It is a niche format. Listen to XM's BPM for the best Dance you have ever heard on radio.

Here is the list of what 93.1 has played in the past couple of hours, below.
1. I see plenty of new Rock.
Nickelback
Staind
System of A Down

2. I see some really good AOR.
Stone Temple Pilots

3. There is also some Classic Rock.
Gn'R
Metallica
Soundgarden

4. Alt Rock
Rage
Weezer
Peppers

6:18 p.m. Before I Forget/Slipknot
6:11 p.m. Paradise City/ Guns N' Roses
6:06 p.m. Renegades Of Funk/ Rage Against The Machine
6:02 p.m. Wicked Garden / Stone Temple Pilots
5:58 p.m. So Cold / Breaking Benjamin
5:54 p.m. Space Lord / Monster Magnet
5:45 p.m. Can't Stop / Red Hot Chili Peppers
5:34 p.m. Photograph / Nickelback
5:29 p.m. The Memory Remains / Metallica
5:26 p.m. Running Away / Hoobastank
5:16 p.m. Right Here / Staind
5:08 p.m. Seven Nation Army / The White Stripes
5:02 p.m. Black Hole Sun / Soundgarden
4:58 p.m. Boulevard Of Broken Dreams / Green Day
4:54 p.m. Today / Smashing Pumpkins
4:45 p.m. Tomorrow / Silverchair
4:41 p.m. Chop Suey System Of A Down
4:38 p.m. People Of The Sun / Rage Against The Machine
4:29 p.m. Soul To Squeeze / Red Hot Chili Peppers
4:26 p.m. Hash Pipe / Weezer

See ya.

 

[Radio-X]

Re: Bah

> I think some of you guys complain too much. You were so
> close to not having a Rock station. It would suck to have
> nowhere to go. 93.1 is the most listenable station on
> Miami's airwaves. By the way, in case you've forgotten, Zeta
> sucked and I am glad they are gone.
>
> Oh, don't hold your breath for a return to Classical or
> Dance. Classical will disappear in our lifetime. What can
> you say for Dance? It is a niche format. Listen to XM's BPM
> for the best Dance you have ever heard on radio.
>
> Here is the list of what 93.1 has played in the past couple
> of hours, below.
> 1. I see plenty of new Rock.
> Nickelback
> Staind
> System of A Down
>
> 2. I see some really good AOR.
> Stone Temple Pilots
>
> 3. There is also some Classic Rock.
> Gn'R
> Metallica
> Soundgarden
>
> 4. Alt Rock
> Rage
> Weezer
> Peppers
>
> 6:18 p.m. Before I Forget/Slipknot
> 6:11 p.m. Paradise City/ Guns N' Roses
> 6:06 p.m. Renegades Of Funk/ Rage Against The Machine
> 6:02 p.m. Wicked Garden / Stone Temple Pilots
> 5:58 p.m. So Cold / Breaking Benjamin
> 5:54 p.m. Space Lord / Monster Magnet
> 5:45 p.m. Can't Stop / Red Hot Chili Peppers
> 5:34 p.m. Photograph / Nickelback
> 5:29 p.m. The Memory Remains / Metallica
> 5:26 p.m. Running Away / Hoobastank
> 5:16 p.m. Right Here / Staind
> 5:08 p.m. Seven Nation Army / The White Stripes
> 5:02 p.m. Black Hole Sun / Soundgarden
> 4:58 p.m. Boulevard Of Broken Dreams / Green Day
> 4:54 p.m. Today / Smashing Pumpkins
> 4:45 p.m. Tomorrow / Silverchair
> 4:41 p.m. Chop Suey System Of A Down
> 4:38 p.m. People Of The Sun / Rage Against The Machine
> 4:29 p.m. Soul To Squeeze / Red Hot Chili Peppers
> 4:26 p.m. Hash Pipe / Weezer
>
> See ya.
>

As you can see by looking at the playlist, they have a good breadth of songs, but not too many artists...(Look at the two Red Hot Chilli Peppers...only 1 hour and 15 minutes apart)

Now, granted, most people do not listen to a station for 1 hour 15 minutes straight.

Zeta had a wide variety of artists, but only one or two songs by each

As for 93.1 being the most listenable...I would tend to agree, though there isn't much competition...though I wish Planet Radio out of Palm Beach was still around...that was a decent station, and was worth the piss-poor reception in Broward <P ID="signature">______________
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[954]

"Classical will disappear in our lifetime" -- ROTFL!

> Oh, don't hold your breath for a return to Classical or
> Dance. Classical will disappear in our lifetime.

Please excuse a raucous ROTFL.

Classical has been around for 300 or 400 years.
Your comment betrays your ignorance of music, I'm sorry to say.

Classical music will never be popular among the crowd that thinks that getting a good education is "acting white" or among the great unwashed or among the looney leftist crowd who calls culture "racist" -- but that's their loss. Not my problem.

Dance will soon be a fashion footnote,
just like disco, nehru jackets, and the zoot suit.

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[Ivan]

Yes it will.

Answer this: How many stations have gone Classical in the past two years?

I am talking about radio. Don't let your love of the music blind you. Classical is a great music form. I have over one hundred Classical CDs. However, the fact is that the few Classical stations left are mostly University run stations. From what I have been told a lot of the stations are really getting heat to play other formats. How long will those last? Even record labels are producing less of the format. By the way, that includes Real Jazz as well.

The argument that it has existed over 400 years does not hold water in today's market-place.

 

[bossmsx]

the fall of Cox/Miami

> 93 rocks ratings continue to decline, what is wrong with the
> station?

Personality? None.

Imaging? Poor.

I like the statement on party931.com, "Cox has experience in Rock radio", and so that's why they trashed what was actually a novel concept in WPYM, for this sorry excuse of a Rocker...I guess they're referring to Miami's great, legendary 97GTR of the 80s, when Cox actually did personality radio (ok, so we're beating the decayed horse carcass when we say "Cox" and "Personality", but remember the "Rock N' Roll Animals??" Randi Rhodes, Herman & McBean?? PD Bill Wise?), now Coast.....

To quote Lloyd Bentsen talking to Dan Quayle in the 88 debate:

"Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy".

 

[DiamondJoe]

Re: Bah

> As you can see by looking at the playlist, they have a good
> breadth of songs, but not too many artists...(Look at the
> two Red Hot Chilli Peppers...only 1 hour and 15 minutes
> apart)

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[mike704]

Re: Yes it will.

> Answer this: How many stations have gone Classical in the
> past two years?
>
> I am talking about radio. Don't let your love of the music
> blind you. Classical is a great music form. I have over one
> hundred Classical CDs. However, the fact is that the few
> Classical stations left are mostly University run stations.
> From what I have been told a lot of the stations are really
> getting heat to play other formats. How long will those
> last? Even record labels are producing less of the format.
> By the way, that includes Real Jazz as well.
>
> The argument that it has existed over 400 years does not
> hold water in today's market-place.
>

Maybe radio will be gone and CLASSICAL MUSIC will still be here....

Radio stations have always made money the question is how much is enough? Radio owners also used to think of stations as a public service. I know radio is a business it always has been, but it used to be so much more....Now that's all it is.

 

[jcolletta275]

Re: Yes it will.

> I know radio is a business it always has been,
> but it used to be so much more....Now that's all it is.

But, of course, that's only because that's all the owners are willing to see it as. If Cox were to wake up and realize that they could be doing a ton more than they are, and that it would greatly improve both their image and their revenue, it'd be great. Unfortunately, they're just willing (like most big radio companies) to do the bare minimum and let their stations squander themselves into irrelevence. It takes money to make money, folks!

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[PassDutch]

Re: "Classical will disappear in our lifetime" -- ROTFL!

Did Zeta used to play Bon Jovi? Zeta boycotted Blink 182 & 311 when they became an active rocker.

 

[954]

Classical serves the community

> Answer this: How many stations have gone Classical in the
> past two years?

Who cares? Irrelevant.

> I am talking about radio. Don't let your love of the music
> blind you. Classical is a great music form. I have over one
> hundred Classical CDs. However, the fact is that the few
> Classical stations left are mostly University run stations.
> From what I have been told a lot of the stations are really
> getting heat to play other formats. How long will those
> last? Even record labels are producing less of the format.
> By the way, that includes Real Jazz as well.
>
> The argument that it has existed over 400 years does not
> hold water in today's market-place.

Nonsenss. (That's a polite term for BS.)

A classical station will never be #1 in any market
that I know of. But it will still be around when rap
is history.

Beethoven will never beat Eminem in the short run.
But he will still be listened to when American Idol
and scum like Eminem are long forgotten.

Classical music's small nich merely proves what
H. L. Mencken and a number of other knowledgeable
people have said over the years, paraphrased:
"Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public."

Would you close down the fine restaurants because
McDonalds and BK are more popular? Each has its niche market.

If a classical station can pay the bills, it is successful
and serves the community. OTOH -- How does a station with
Star & Buc Wild serve the community? By promoting racism?

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[954]

Re: "Classical will disappear in our lifetime" -- ROTFL!

> Did Zeta used to play Bon Jovi? Zeta boycotted Blink 182 &
> 311 when they became an active rocker.

I have no idea.

I don't know Bon Jovi from Bon Ami.

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[sflaradioguy]

Re: Classical serves the community

> > Answer this: How many stations have gone Classical in the
> > past two years?
>
> Who cares? Irrelevant.
>
> > I am talking about radio. Don't let your love of the music
>
> > blind you. Classical is a great music form. I have over
> one
> > hundred Classical CDs. However, the fact is that the few
> > Classical stations left are mostly University run
> stations.
> > From what I have been told a lot of the stations are
> really
> > getting heat to play other formats. How long will those
> > last? Even record labels are producing less of the format.
>
> > By the way, that includes Real Jazz as well.
> >
> > The argument that it has existed over 400 years does not
> > hold water in today's market-place.
>
> Nonsenss. (That's a polite term for BS.)
>
> A classical station will never be #1 in any market
> that I know of. But it will still be around when rap
> is history.
>
> Beethoven will never beat Eminem in the short run.
> But he will still be listened to when American Idol
> and scum like Eminem are long forgotten.
>
> Classical music's small nich merely proves what
> H. L. Mencken and a number of other knowledgeable
> people have said over the years, paraphrased:
> "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public."
>
> Would you close down the fine restaurants because
> McDonalds and BK are more popular? Each has its niche
> market.
>
> If a classical station can pay the bills, it is successful
> and serves the community. OTOH -- How does a station with
> Star & Buc Wild serve the community? By promoting racism?
>
> 73s from 954
>



Hey 954,

You hit it right on the head. You see, in a market like Miami, a Classical Station can't pay the bills. Let's see 100 million for the stick (Didn't Cox pay 125 million for WTMI after netting out the other station up north?)...that's over a million per month for debt service alone. So, you can't borrow the money. That means public company. Probably 400K per month in operating expenses. For what - a 2.5 share. Let's see, 2.5 share of a 200 million dollar market is around 5 million in gross revenue. Let's plus that up 20% to adjust for LCS (local commercial share and you get 6 million gross. That's around 5.1 after agency commissions, 4.3 after sales commissions or about 361K per month. Wow, if you're lucky you only lose 39K per month on your 100 million dollar property. Just doesn't work. Got to be a non-comm. or nothing. It ain't about greed. It's about the ridiculous cost of FM's in the top 20 markets... and that's a function of supply over demand. And just so you know - I bought my XM receiver 3 days after Cox blew up WTMI in Jan of 02. Haven't listened to FM in SFlorida in 2.8 years. 4 Classical offerings on XM.
You're right Classical will still be here after the Rap and Hurban and Dance are gone. Just not on commercial radio.

 

[954]

Re: Classical serves the community

> Hey 954,
> You hit it right on the head. You see, in a market like
> Miami, a Classical Station can't pay the bills. Let's see
> 100 million for the stick (Didn't Cox pay 125 million for
> WTMI after netting out the other station up north?)...that's
> over a million per month for debt service alone. So, you
> can't borrow the money. That means public company.
> Probably 400K per month in operating expenses. For what - a
> 2.5 share. Let's see, 2.5 share of a 200 million dollar
> market is around 5 million in gross revenue. Let's plus
> that up 20% to adjust for LCS (local commercial share and
> you get 6 million gross. That's around 5.1 after agency
> commissions, 4.3 after sales commissions or about 361K per
> month. Wow, if you're lucky you only lose 39K per month on
> your 100 million dollar property. Just doesn't work. Got
> to be a non-comm. or nothing. It ain't about greed. It's
> about the ridiculous cost of FM's in the top 20 markets...

I'm sure you're right. The numbers seem logical.

Have you heard WLRN's new all-classical HD subchannel? You
can also hear it on their web site, wlrn.org.

> and that's a function of supply over demand. And just so
> you know - I bought my XM receiver 3 days after Cox blew up
> WTMI in Jan of 02. Haven't listened to FM in SFlorida in
> 2.8 years. 4 Classical offerings on XM.
> You're right Classical will still be here after the Rap and
> Hurban and Dance are gone. Just not on commercial radio.

Thanks. But I wouldn't buy satellite.

I like local radio becasue it's local .... but,
except for the commercials themselves, local content
in radio is disappearing, I must admit.

Oh, for the good old days of WKAT talk in the 1970s
and WFTL in the 1990s. All local, unless you count
Jean Shepherd.

I started putting my CDs on my PC the other day.
I was shocked to find I have 368 tracks in Jazz
and 130 in Classical, and I'm not done. Plus 30 in
Caribbean... and there's Oldies, Country, Big Band, etc.

Plus dozens of sings from the 1920s from dismuke.org.
(I don't believe in downloading music, but these are old
enough to be out of copyright -- and I like the music!)

Oh, well. I'm rambling, aren't I?

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[JustinT]

Re: The problem with 93 Rock/Cox

> Trivia question:
>
> What was the first song played on Potty 93.1?
>

That's easy. It was an edited version of "Shut The F*ck Up And Dance" by Adrenaline.

 

[954]

Re: The problem with 93 Rock/Cox

> > Trivia question:
> >
> > What was the first song played on Potty 93.1?
> >
>
> That's easy. It was an edited version of "Shut The F*ck Up
> And Dance" by Adrenaline.

You mean the original was even filthier?

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