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94.7 is changing formats today

Not exactly true since we have documented evidence of people under 50 listening to play by play sports on AM.
But even then that’s an exception to the rule, and it’s spoken word. AM isn’t viable for any music format outside of adult standards, and that format went extinct because it didn’t get any young demos. The audience literally died off.

And it’s not for a lack of trying! WRMR in the mid 1990s did everything possible to make the format palatable to younger listeners. It worked in the 12+ topline but just … didn’t … in the demos that mattered most.

Even NYC, one of the last markets where AM is actually somewhat viable, has not had a general appeal music format of any sort on the dial since WNBC died in 1988. That’s 33 years. And no, I do not count WZRC running the satellite-fed “Z-Rock” at all in this.
The issue here is we also have documented evidence that NY advertisers won't buy country, even when it's on FM.
And how many times has this been played out since 1987?

- WHN folding and flipping to WFAN in 1987
- WYNY shunted to 103.5 in 1988
- WYNY flipping to KTU in 1996
- Y-107 failing and flipping to Spanish language (also albeit in part due to Big City Radio being totally outmatched) in 2002
- WNSH folding in 2021

…that’s five times the format has just failed in the market.
 
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But even then that’s an exception to the rule, and it’s spoken word. AM isn’t viable for any music format outside of adult standards, and that format went extinct because it didn’t get any young demos. The audience literally died off.

And it’s not for a lack of trying! WRMR in the mid 1990s did everything possible to make the format palatable to younger listeners. It worked in the 12+ topline but just … didn’t … in the demos that mattered most.

Even NYC, one of the last markets where AM is actually somewhat viable, has not had a general appeal music format of any sort on the dial since WNBC died in 1988. That’s 33 years. And no, I do not count WZRC running the satellite-fed “Z-Rock” at all in this.

And how many times has this been played out since 1987?

- WHN folding and flipping to WFAN in 1987
- WYNY shunted to 103.5 in 1988
- WYNY flipping to KTU in 1996
- Y-107 failing and flipping to Spanish language (also albeit in part due to Big City Radio being totally outmatched) in 2002
- WNSH folding in 2021

…that’s five times the format has just failed in the market.
They could enable HD on an AM station. AM HD would provide very good sound quality. From what I’ve read, LA has an HD AM station that plays music. It’s sad that in Market 1 we only have 1 full power and 1 limited power rimshot AM HD signal
 
They could enable HD on an AM station. AM HD would provide very good sound quality. From what I’ve read, LA has an HD AM station that plays music. It’s sad that in Market 1 we only have 1 full power and 1 limited power rimshot AM HD signal

But if the goal is to put the country format on an HD, it already is on 94.7 HD-2. No need to enable HD on an AM.
 
But if the goal is to put the country format on an HD, it already is on 94.7 HD-2. No need to enable HD on an AM.
The signal from 94.7 (even the analog) is so weak in Eastern Nassau, forget HD. If they ever get to the closer-in transmitter, maybe they will have a viable signal in analog and HD. The only other way to get Country Music on FM in Eastern Nassau would be for My Country 96.1 to put out a Nassau repeater or find an HD FM willing to add them to an HD2, as their signal from the Manorville stick doesn’t reach back here due to distance and protection for 96.3 in NYC.
 
Audacy has posted the audio from the final show last week on 94.7, as New York's Country.
Among the people checking in were hosts from 3 of the other New York Audacy stations.
Final Show
 
Unless someone with insider knowledge could say with a straight face that the billing of WFAN depended on there being a daytime AM signal as part of their package, it could be acknowledged that 660 is a very good candidate for experimentation. I think an orphaned Country audience would have been larger and more attractive to advertisers than a daytime simulcast Sports audience. It would follow that Audacy could have made more money, which is ultimately the point.
WFAN needs the AM for several reasons: first is overlapping sports events and events that are contracted for the AM and not just the FM and, second, is the fact that the AM has better coverage in outlying areas, particularly Suffolk County on LI.

This is part of the reasoning why stations like KSL and WSB have kept the AM despite being on good FMs.
I am challenging the idea that "people won't listen to AM." Industry insiders "knew" that a national daytime show would never fly. This was so much the gospel that I believe the only way Rush could get access to the remains of the ABC Talk network was to do a New York local show for free. As we all know that gamble paid off handsomely. Sometime you have to take risks to get someplace.
Nobody said that a national radio show would not work in the 80's. There were thousands of stations taking satellite formats, and there were lots of regional networks. The issue was the cost of technology.

Before reaching the largest markets, Rush was on literally hundreds of smaller stations. He went on the biggest stations because of success elsewhere. The issue was compensation, not clearance.
If there is similar gospel that under 45's will never listen to AM, let's see some evidence. I suspect that the only "proof" is that top 40 music audiences shifted away 40 years ago and angry political talk and Z-Rock didn't grab them, so nothing will. How about transporting a decently successful FM format to a decently powered AM and see what happens? Such an opportunity never comes up (except in this instance in NY), and had Audacy done so, they would have been risking very little and either proven for real or disproven the gospel.
Music formats have been tried on big AM signals during the 80's and 90's all over Latin America where major markets have many more excellent signals than in the US. I can not name one that has worked. People stopped trying by the beginning of the new Millenium.
If the conventional wisdom were shown to be bull, then all of a sudden there are many properties that might have some potential and thus opportunity for revenue, IF a new format could be found, and I'll admit that is a big problem, and ultimately what could kill AM - no programming.
Besides the fact that FM music sounds horrible, the real issue is that there are only about 180 signals in all the top 100 markets that cover at least 80% of the market day and night. Those good signals are almost all doing one of the profitable talk formats, covering discussion, news and sports depending on the station and market.

There are no further competitive signals in most markets; some markets do not even have one full coverage AM any longer.
In most cases it wouldn't be music, as most markets already have the popular genres on FM. I made some suggestions for new formats, to which someone said they all stink. That may be true, but then the question ought to be turned to radio professionals: what ideas are there for new programming? And if the answer is "we'll spin records better" I would suggest that they ain't got no ideas for something new or something for the future, which is a whole 'nother issue.
There is nothing new on radio, and has not been since the 1930's. Sure, stations went from block programs to genre-specific formats over the decades, but as long as radio is in the business of reflecting aspects of mass-appeal taste preferences, we will not see any startling new concept.

How is today's TV with hundreds of channels any different than early TV around 1950?
 
Is there any ratings numbers for the final show? And first day of the new format.
Since there was no public notice of the format flip, I'd imagine that the audience for the final show in the country format was the same as any audience WNSH usually attracted for its midday programming. The new format? Probably in the pits for the first day or two, then creeping up as word of mouth and advertising (Was there any?) took effect. But the information probably isn't available until the next book comes out.
 
But if the goal is to put the country format on an HD, it already is on 94.7 HD-2. No need to enable HD on an AM.
The signal from 94.7 (even the analog) is so weak in Eastern Nassau, forget HD. If they ever get to the closer-I’m transmitter, maybe they will have a viable signal in analog and HD. The only other way to get Country Music on FM in Eastern Nassau would be for My Country 96.1 to put out a Nassau repeater or find an HD FM willing to add them to an HD2.
 
Since there was no public notice of the format flip, I'd imagine that the audience for the final show in the country format was the same as any audience WNSH usually attracted for its midday programming. The new format? Probably in the pits for the first day or two, then creeping up as word of mouth and advertising (Was there any?) took effect. But the information probably isn't available until the next book comes out.
Radio does not have "overnights" like TV does, which is what it appears that the prior poster was thinking.

Subscribers to the special services can get the advance numbers, and the regular subscribers get the weekly numbers about two weeks after each week is over (they are issued on a 4-day-roll-out, biggest markets first).

Daily numbers require time to get the full book, starting a few weeks after week four is over. But with a low rated station, I'd expect nothing different on the last day of the old format.

The new format will take a while to get awareness. With nearly no promotion and the holiday season (Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year) upon us, look towards January for any real motion. A lot depends on whether listeners spread awareness on new media.
 
Is there any ratings numbers for the final show? And first day of the new format.
There are no "overnights" in radio. See my prior post for further data on when we might see some information on the new format.
 

WNSH-FM Newark - Playlist Adds - Saturday 10/30/2021

11:50 pm Vivrant Thing - Q-Tip
11:43 pm Get Money - Junior M.A.F.I.A. ft. The Notorious B.I.G.
10:43 pm Peaches and Cream - 112
9:55 pm What's It Gonna Be - Busta Rhymes ft. Janet Jackson
9:00 pm Touch It - Monifah
8:43 pm Livin' It Up - Ja Rule ft. Case
8:15 pm How Do U Want It - 2Pac ft. K-Ci & JoJo
7:46 pm OMG - Usher ft. will.i.am
7:35 pm No Letting Go - Wayne Wonder
4:54 pm A Nightmare On My Street - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince (Halloween themed)
3:26 pm Lean Back - Terror Squad ft. Fat Joe + Remy
 
They could enable HD on an AM station. AM HD would provide very good sound quality. From what I’ve read, LA has an HD AM station that plays music. It’s sad that in Market 1 we only have 1 full power and 1 limited power rimshot AM HD signal
The industry has sunk millions and millions to prop up the proprietary HD Radio standard since 2001 and the marketplace has pretty much rejected it.

I’d safely argue that WFAS is broadcasting to an audience of tens and that they only made the conversion because Cumulus had that station on the market with absolutely no takers… and the only other option is to turn the license in. No one but us would notice if WFAS did go silent.
 
Since there was no public notice of the format flip, I'd imagine that the audience for the final show in the country format was the same as any audience WNSH usually attracted for its midday programming.
Plus numerous members of RadioDiscussions.com who rarely, if ever, listened to New York's Country 94.7.
 
The industry has sunk millions and millions to prop up the proprietary HD Radio standard since 2001 and the marketplace has pretty much rejected it.
There are lots of companies making nice money off of leasing the HD channels for narrow interest formats. And, more than that, there are over a thousand that are using HD channels to support a translator, giving them a "new" FM in their market. If the market is reasonably compact or there is a practical high hill or mountain or a big building or TV tower, those HDs that are at over 500 feet can do very, very well.
I’d safely argue that WFAS is broadcasting to an audience of tens and that they only made the conversion because Cumulus had that station on the market with absolutely no takers… and the only other option is to turn the license in. No one but us would notice if WFAS did go silent.
That is indeed true. There used to be a market for suburban local full service stations. That seems almost entirely gone today.
 
Today's edition of InsideRadio has some comments concerning the decision to flip 94.7, from Jeff Sottolano, Exec. VP of Programming at Audacy.
He mentioned a factor that has not been stated on this thread. Prior to Nash FM signing on, there had been no country station in New York for so long, that many potential listeners in the area had no history of listening to the format as they were growing up.
WNSH Format Change Decision
 
I take the comments to mean that there was a tough road to try to switch country listeners away from the Spotify/Pandora/etc. realm and add FM radio to a mix when they really had no habit formed in that regard. Sure there are other ways to experience the music—that feels like the point as I read into the
 
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