I will be out in Vegas next week listening (driving the signal) and figuring out where the station is going to go. The need to find place to build a studio and by the way I Love spinning the hits over 120 spins a week
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...Vibe vegas sounded best with it's OLD IMAGING and the OLD Logo. It has so much potential that you probably still have.. Work with what you HAD but was never used to the full potential. it WORKED but never had the exposure. Concentrate on the music and not the logo or sweepers. Use the old old ones. They were HOT, full of energy and extremely unique. Concentrate on giving the music that the people WANT!
The old website was also great - the new one is a waste of time.
i LOVE Vibe and want to see it succeed - this is a MAJOR opportunity - please keep it's sound unique and stay away from the pop remixes - you'll just mix in with the rest!
Hoping great things for VIBE - it can only get better (hope!).
...Vibe vegas sounded best with it's OLD IMAGING and the OLD Logo. It has so much potential that you probably still have.. Work with what you HAD but was never used to the full potential. it WORKED but never had the exposure. Concentrate on the music and not the logo or sweepers. Use the old old ones. They were HOT, full of energy and extremely unique. Concentrate on giving the music that the people WANT!
The old website was also great - the new one is a waste of time.
i LOVE Vibe and want to see it succeed - this is a MAJOR opportunity - please keep it's sound unique and stay away from the pop remixes - you'll just mix in with the rest!
Hoping great things for VIBE - it can only get better (hope!).
Nick said:
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Nick, if we left all of this up to you, every station would sound like Pulse 87. And that's not necessarily a good thing.
Yes, Pulse 87 DID make an impact to the dance music fans in New York City. Fans STILL talk about the station as if it never disappeared, and I suppose it hasn't when you consider the station is online. But FWIW, this is LAS VEGAS. A different market with a different population. What may have worked on Pulse would NOT work on Vibe and vice versa. Mark HAS to program this to fit the market he is serving.
I'm in Rhode Island as I am typing this and just looking at the people and the market, if I was given the opportunity to program a station in Providence, it would NOT sound like Pulse 87. I couldn't play the 80's/90's freestyle that has been "beaten" to the point of invisibility (even 'KTU knew to bail out of that). Likewise there would be tracks that I feel could work well here but NEVER work in New York City and that's based on the marketplace.
Point is EVERY station that would consider doing the dance format should be unique to its own market and not be a total "copy cat" of something else. I'll even go as far as to say that when another dance station comes to NYC, IT should not totally sound like Pulse 87. That station should have its unique identity....the same way the original 'KTU was, Hot 103/97 (which really was Pulse 87 of the 80's/90's) and 103.5 'KTU (1996 - 2006) and even as it is today with their rhythmic A/C format.
You don't have to look hard to see what I am talking about. Listen to Party FM and listen to Wild 102.7. Same owner, slightly different presentations.
J
JohnParker
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Nick,
You've given the generic dance format answer without addressing what the population of the listening place wants to hear. That is something that one wouldn't know unless they were in the market or done some specific research into what has worked in the market.
One trick, for stations without budgets, that one programmer that was very successful taught me was that when ever he went to a place to eat he'd ask the waitress what station she listened to and what she liked about it. People like that are on the front lines and hear the complaints and comments about music all the time. Would I use a method like that exclusively, no but it's a tool.
In this day and age of social media it's so easy to set up a focus group that is specific to ones market to see what it is that they listen to and what they want to hear. You take it from there. It's always about the PEOPLE if you want to succeed.
jp
PS - Mikeo, you know me. Nothing like a Spock moment to ruin a good day dream!
You've given the generic dance format answer without addressing what the population of the listening place wants to hear. That is something that one wouldn't know unless they were in the market or done some specific research into what has worked in the market.
One trick, for stations without budgets, that one programmer that was very successful taught me was that when ever he went to a place to eat he'd ask the waitress what station she listened to and what she liked about it. People like that are on the front lines and hear the complaints and comments about music all the time. Would I use a method like that exclusively, no but it's a tool.
In this day and age of social media it's so easy to set up a focus group that is specific to ones market to see what it is that they listen to and what they want to hear. You take it from there. It's always about the PEOPLE if you want to succeed.
jp
PS - Mikeo, you know me. Nothing like a Spock moment to ruin a good day dream!
Pulse did a good job for the time they were on the air, but they are not the end all be all of what a dance station needs to be. Actually no station is. The Vibe needs to feel vibe of Vegas and become everything there is about Vegas. It goes for every radio station on the air. Its something corporate has forgotten in many situations. The biggest compliment you can get is that you sound like a station that should be in your market.
Tik Tak has a solid plan in place and I think he is going to be successful. Vegas needs to be different. I have never been to Vegas and I hope soon I get the chance to go but everything I have seen and read about it, this station has a chance to make some serious noise
Tik Tak has a solid plan in place and I think he is going to be successful. Vegas needs to be different. I have never been to Vegas and I hope soon I get the chance to go but everything I have seen and read about it, this station has a chance to make some serious noise
Nick my problem wasn't that you suggested the Vibe adopt a daytime mix of 40% Dance, but rather that the other 60% should consist of Pop REMIXES. There's a big difference between Pop music and Pop remixes. I think too many remixes of popular non-Dance records end up hurting a station and its listeners and leaves a lot to be desired. On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with Vibe playing 40% Dance, 10-15% remixes, 10-20% older Dance titles (from the past 10 years), and 30-40% of good Pop/Rhythmic and even crossover Pop/Rock that might fit in well. That right there to me sounds like a pretty good template for a Mass appeal format.
With regards to that 30-40% of Rhythmic/Pop, pure Pop, and Pop/Rock I'm talking about current hits such as
Katy Perry "California Girls"
B.O.B. "Airplanes"
Travie Mccoy "Billionaire"
Jason Derulo "Ridin Solo"
Train "Hey Soul Sister"
If a Pop song is crossing over into some of the Rhythmic CHRs Vibe should take note, if a Rhythmic record is crossing over to Hot A/C Vibe should take note, if a record is blowing up at Rhythmic A/C Vibe should take note. It doesnt necassarily mean Vibe should play each and everyone of these records, but when songs cross over it gives us a better idea of how big a record is getting, and whether it might also be accepted by a station that plays a lot of Dance.
Now with regards to the Dance titles, Vibe has to make them fit for Vegas, and fit the overall sound and direction of the station.
There's also a lot of good crossover Dance/pop titles on the national charts (with good callout research), which should be taken into account at the moment
Lady Gaga records
Enrique's "I like It"
Taio Cruz "Dynamite"
Usher "OMG"
Usher "DJ Got Us Fallin In Love"
Ne-Yo "Beautiful Monster"
Flo Rida "Club Can't Handle Me"
Kelly Rowland and Kellis both seem to be this year's Donna Summer
Kelly Rowland "Commander"
Kellis "Acapella"
Then you've got the playlists of the other Dance leaning stations in the US, whether they're commercial, non-commercial, or net-only. And let's not forget that there's plenty of music we can find by looking at the playlists of Dance stations from across the world as some of these stations have both good ratings, and good research (and have been around a LOT longer than Pulse 87)
You've got your Dance leaning stations
http://www.slamfm.nl/page/radioprogramma/7
http://www.galaxyyorkshire.co.uk/the-galaxy-playlist-2007
http://www.katrafm.com/inside/top.php
http://playlist.totalkiss.com/
http://www.juicefm.com/music
http://www.lamegaradio.es/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=157&Itemid=29
http://cidadefm.clix.pt/shows/top40/index.html
http://www.z889.org/
http://www.powerfm.com.tr/2008/chatzone_sub.asp
http://www.metrofm.com.tr/top20.asp
http://www.planeta.fm/muzyka/notowania
http://www.rmfmaxxx.pl/hopbec/
http://www.mixfmradio.com/index.php?groupid=4
You've got the stations that lean heavily towards pure Dance, but still leave a bit of room for crossover Pop
http://www.rgrfm.be/hitparade/top40/
http://www.flaixfm.cat/?seccio=2
http://www.fresh927.com.au/playlist.php?parent=&key=vital-25
http://www.maxima.fm/51Chart/
http://www.mycontact.fr/playlist-contact.html
http://www.97fm.com.br/top20/
http://www.radio1075.se/musik/mest-spelat
http://www.playfm.es/exitos.php
http://www.tdiradio.com/cms/charts-tdi-radio/hello-top-40-tdi-radio.html
http://www.vibefm.com.mt/music/playlist.php
And of course the more pure Dance stations
http://www.maxradio.it/content/view/43/
http://www.kissfm.ua/v3/chart/2/
http://c895worldwide.com/web/default.asp?page=music
http://www.radiorecord.ru/charts/
http://www.powerhitradio.lt/?underpage=14.73458
http://www.radiometro.com.au/music/metro-chart.html
http://www.radioas.fm/#!toplist
With regards to that 30-40% of Rhythmic/Pop, pure Pop, and Pop/Rock I'm talking about current hits such as
Katy Perry "California Girls"
B.O.B. "Airplanes"
Travie Mccoy "Billionaire"
Jason Derulo "Ridin Solo"
Train "Hey Soul Sister"
If a Pop song is crossing over into some of the Rhythmic CHRs Vibe should take note, if a Rhythmic record is crossing over to Hot A/C Vibe should take note, if a record is blowing up at Rhythmic A/C Vibe should take note. It doesnt necassarily mean Vibe should play each and everyone of these records, but when songs cross over it gives us a better idea of how big a record is getting, and whether it might also be accepted by a station that plays a lot of Dance.
Now with regards to the Dance titles, Vibe has to make them fit for Vegas, and fit the overall sound and direction of the station.
There's also a lot of good crossover Dance/pop titles on the national charts (with good callout research), which should be taken into account at the moment
Lady Gaga records
Enrique's "I like It"
Taio Cruz "Dynamite"
Usher "OMG"
Usher "DJ Got Us Fallin In Love"
Ne-Yo "Beautiful Monster"
Flo Rida "Club Can't Handle Me"
Kelly Rowland and Kellis both seem to be this year's Donna Summer
Kelly Rowland "Commander"
Kellis "Acapella"
Then you've got the playlists of the other Dance leaning stations in the US, whether they're commercial, non-commercial, or net-only. And let's not forget that there's plenty of music we can find by looking at the playlists of Dance stations from across the world as some of these stations have both good ratings, and good research (and have been around a LOT longer than Pulse 87)
You've got your Dance leaning stations
http://www.slamfm.nl/page/radioprogramma/7
http://www.galaxyyorkshire.co.uk/the-galaxy-playlist-2007
http://www.katrafm.com/inside/top.php
http://playlist.totalkiss.com/
http://www.juicefm.com/music
http://www.lamegaradio.es/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=157&Itemid=29
http://cidadefm.clix.pt/shows/top40/index.html
http://www.z889.org/
http://www.powerfm.com.tr/2008/chatzone_sub.asp
http://www.metrofm.com.tr/top20.asp
http://www.planeta.fm/muzyka/notowania
http://www.rmfmaxxx.pl/hopbec/
http://www.mixfmradio.com/index.php?groupid=4
You've got the stations that lean heavily towards pure Dance, but still leave a bit of room for crossover Pop
http://www.rgrfm.be/hitparade/top40/
http://www.flaixfm.cat/?seccio=2
http://www.fresh927.com.au/playlist.php?parent=&key=vital-25
http://www.maxima.fm/51Chart/
http://www.mycontact.fr/playlist-contact.html
http://www.97fm.com.br/top20/
http://www.radio1075.se/musik/mest-spelat
http://www.playfm.es/exitos.php
http://www.tdiradio.com/cms/charts-tdi-radio/hello-top-40-tdi-radio.html
http://www.vibefm.com.mt/music/playlist.php
And of course the more pure Dance stations
http://www.maxradio.it/content/view/43/
http://www.kissfm.ua/v3/chart/2/
http://c895worldwide.com/web/default.asp?page=music
http://www.radiorecord.ru/charts/
http://www.powerhitradio.lt/?underpage=14.73458
http://www.radiometro.com.au/music/metro-chart.html
http://www.radioas.fm/#!toplist
CHRles said:
"We No Speak Americano" by Australia's Yolanda Be Cool & DCUP, which samples the 1956 song "Tu vuò fà l'americano" (Italian for "You want to be American") by Renato Carosone, was just picked up by Ultra stateside and debuted at number 22 on Billboard's Hot Dance Airplay in its August 14, 2010 issue. Expect this one to break big beyond Dance.
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instigator
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Can someone please explain who chooses which songs will crossover and which won't?!?!? It seems like dance songs are so strange the way they are picked up...I'm sorry but that "WE SPEAK NO AMERICAN" is terrible...but I'm sure CHR will pick it up...Besides September Cry For You and David Guetta Love Is Gone I don't get the "picks".
Here are some examples of missed dance songs that I think could have been hits....Kim Leoni Again...Plumb In My Arms....Kim Sozzi Feel Your Love.....Wynter Gordon Dirty Talk..... Happiness Alexis Jordan...Ercola Every Word...these songs over the past three years could have been huge!!!!!!!!
I spin at two clubs in Philly...right now peope are going insane for "Higher State" by Bailey featuring Jodie Connor...literatly for a month and a half every time I play this song people sprint to the Dj booth to ask me who sings it..I haven't ever had a bigger reaction to a song except GiGI Diagostino I'll Fly With You.
Ok so my point... "Higher State", in my opinion, would sound fantastic on CHR...will it ever get a chance...no!! Who's fault is that? the programmers? the Label?? I just don't get it!...ohhh wait let's get Akon or Ludacris to do a rap or verse in it then it will be a hit
Here are some examples of missed dance songs that I think could have been hits....Kim Leoni Again...Plumb In My Arms....Kim Sozzi Feel Your Love.....Wynter Gordon Dirty Talk..... Happiness Alexis Jordan...Ercola Every Word...these songs over the past three years could have been huge!!!!!!!!
I spin at two clubs in Philly...right now peope are going insane for "Higher State" by Bailey featuring Jodie Connor...literatly for a month and a half every time I play this song people sprint to the Dj booth to ask me who sings it..I haven't ever had a bigger reaction to a song except GiGI Diagostino I'll Fly With You.
Ok so my point... "Higher State", in my opinion, would sound fantastic on CHR...will it ever get a chance...no!! Who's fault is that? the programmers? the Label?? I just don't get it!...ohhh wait let's get Akon or Ludacris to do a rap or verse in it then it will be a hit
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instigator
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CHRles I respectfully disagree..I find that song annoying...It's just the kind of track that keeps the dance haters hating...It's the track that the haters will say, "what is this techno s***" I think the way dance and crossover dance tracks are going is great....If longevity of dance on CHR is the goal tracks like this should be avoided...Be honest CHRles which belongs on top 40....WE Speak no Americano...or Dirty Talk Wynter Gordon..if there was one spot ..which belongs...which fits better...which is would be a forgotten niche song and which would be a dance classic if accepted?
We Speak No Ameicano..would be like JUMPSMOKER's Chris Brown song..poular for a second then forgotten...a track like the ones I mentionwould be a track that could be used as a "gold" or recurrent for years to come.
We Speak No Ameicano..would be like JUMPSMOKER's Chris Brown song..poular for a second then forgotten...a track like the ones I mentionwould be a track that could be used as a "gold" or recurrent for years to come.
I would play the record that would fit better with the audience at this moment in time. People forget that there's always a lot of disposable records on Top 40 (Ke$ha anyone? Britney Spears records?).
The Americano record grabs you by the balls b/c its different yet has a very easy simple hook for people to remember it. I certainly would not categorize it as a hardcore or underground Techno track, quite the opposite - it's very adult friendly as it samples an old Italian record from the 1950s.
On the one hand Americano is number one on the club Charts in Brazil
http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtdance.html
On the other hand, it zooms to number one in Germany on the Pop charts (it debuted at number 8 last week)
http://www.mix1.de/charts/singlecharts.htm
The song is a bonafide smash, much much bigger than the Jumpsmokers record.
You mentioned "Higher State" by Bailey Feat. Jodie Connor (I liked her on the Roll Deep track too), which is a nice song, but all too reminiscent of many other crossover vocal Dance records that never made it big on the Pop charts (such as Fragma's "Memory").
So, even though it's a novelty record, hands down I would definitely pick adding "We No Speak Americano" right now (which was also added a couple of weeks ago to Z-103.5 Toronto).
I'd also look into adding Edward Maya's "Stereo Love", which has been out forever, but just recently charted in the UK and Germany. The accent of the vocalists could be a bit better, but again the song's so catchy that people seem to be enjoying it anyway. If 95.8 Capital FM London has no problem playing it, and if it's one of the most played records on Hot 107 Edmonton (where Wynter Gordon's Dirty Talk is also in its Top 10) and Z-103.5, then perhaps some American CHRs should look into adding "Stereo Love" as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1NEkGYaAI
The Americano record grabs you by the balls b/c its different yet has a very easy simple hook for people to remember it. I certainly would not categorize it as a hardcore or underground Techno track, quite the opposite - it's very adult friendly as it samples an old Italian record from the 1950s.
On the one hand Americano is number one on the club Charts in Brazil
http://www.hot100brasil.com/chtdance.html
On the other hand, it zooms to number one in Germany on the Pop charts (it debuted at number 8 last week)
http://www.mix1.de/charts/singlecharts.htm
The song is a bonafide smash, much much bigger than the Jumpsmokers record.
You mentioned "Higher State" by Bailey Feat. Jodie Connor (I liked her on the Roll Deep track too), which is a nice song, but all too reminiscent of many other crossover vocal Dance records that never made it big on the Pop charts (such as Fragma's "Memory").
So, even though it's a novelty record, hands down I would definitely pick adding "We No Speak Americano" right now (which was also added a couple of weeks ago to Z-103.5 Toronto).
I'd also look into adding Edward Maya's "Stereo Love", which has been out forever, but just recently charted in the UK and Germany. The accent of the vocalists could be a bit better, but again the song's so catchy that people seem to be enjoying it anyway. If 95.8 Capital FM London has no problem playing it, and if it's one of the most played records on Hot 107 Edmonton (where Wynter Gordon's Dirty Talk is also in its Top 10) and Z-103.5, then perhaps some American CHRs should look into adding "Stereo Love" as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1NEkGYaAI
instigator said:Can someone please explain who chooses which songs will crossover and which won't?!?!? It seems like dance songs are so strange the way they are picked up...I'm sorry but that "WE SPEAK NO AMERICAN" is terrible...but I'm sure CHR will pick it up...Besides September Cry For You and David Guetta Love Is Gone I don't get the "picks".
Here are some examples of missed dance songs that I think could have been hits....Kim Leoni Again...Plumb In My Arms....Kim Sozzi Feel Your Love.....Wynter Gordon Dirty Talk..... Happiness Alexis Jordan...Ercola Every Word...these songs over the past three years could have been huge!!!!!!!!
I spin at two clubs in Philly...right now peope are going insane for "Higher State" by Bailey featuring Jodie Connor...literatly for a month and a half every time I play this song people sprint to the Dj booth to ask me who sings it..I haven't ever had a bigger reaction to a song except GiGI Diagostino I'll Fly With You.
Ok so my point... "Higher State", in my opinion, would sound fantastic on CHR...will it ever get a chance...no!! Who's fault is that? the programmers? the Label?? I just don't get it!...ohhh wait let's get Akon or Ludacris to do a rap or verse in it then it will be a hit
The big question is cross over from where? Top 40 a lot of the programming is about research. There is not much of a sample according to BDS and Mediabase. Getting records played at Top 40 costs money in regards to promotion. It's not just sending the record to the station. Dance you have a small amount promoters that cover the entire country. Out of that amount only a few really contact dance stations on a regular basis.
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I hate that record period...I can see how to some it would be catchy...I accept that arguement...Bottom line its a novelty record that will have as many people hating it as liking it...my previous examples of dance tracks that would better fit and have more longevity have not been mentioned please look on page three at my first post on this...no one has mentioned hat part of my argument...which is the biggest part.
instigator said:
I played that track around the time I left Urban Latino Radio (May). It was quirky and it didn't grab me at first, but when you consider how the track goes, with the basic "fist pumping Jersey Shore" element that can go with it, I could easily see this gettting play on CHR VERY soon. Give it next month while the track still has to "bubble"
Tony Santiago said:instigator said:
I played that track around the time I left Urban Latino Radio (May). It was quirky and it didn't grab me at first, but when you consider how the track goes, with the basic "fist pumping Jersey Shore" element that can go with it, I could easily see this gettting play on CHR VERY soon. Give it next month while the track still has to "bubble"
Yes, I, too wasn't a fan of it, but when I heard the "Dazoo At Night remix", I instantly fell in love with it.
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