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95.3 "kgy"

True. However, there's more than one reason to own a station, and this is what gets lost on this forum.

Take KBRD (AM 680, Olympia... www.kbrd.org ), for example. Granted, it's unusual, but it shows that if YOUR programming taste is shared by others, there could be a way to build a station around it.

Years ago, the original owner of KBRD took the money he earned from another successful business, and dumped most of it into a couple of small, daytime-only stations. Over a few years, he built the tallest AM broadcast tower in the state, put his two stations on it and rented space to a third. Eventually, he sold one of his stations and used the rental income, along with public donations, to keep his operation afloat.

His main purpose was to be able to listen to the music HE wanted to hear... and that was pretty much his philosophy until he passed away. If you liked what he liked and listened to his station, you'd be asked to donate now and then.

Years later, the station continues to operate, much like the original owner intended. It doesn't make anyone rich, but it pays for a manager and the costs of maintaining the transmitter and tower site. It has a library of over 24,000 songs and more are added every week. A large percentage of the library is recorded from 78 RPM records, though you'd never know it to hear the recordings over the station or its internet stream. Others are cut from LPs, 45s and even an occasional 8-track or two.

While this may be an extreme example of how to make the economy of a station work, it may be a more legitimate path for many here than constantly criticizing the way mainstream broadcasters apply their methods. In a sense, it's a truer barometer of whether your philosophy would cut it, in an environment where the medium supposedly "serves the public".

Fact check -
A. Skip Marrow did not construct the tower. It was constructed by a previous licensee for the sole purpose of allowing a new station on 1280 to be fulltime. Interestingly, 1280 was the original frequency of KMAS, Shelton. As a Shelton station, it was a daytimer. After KMAS changed frequency to 1030 and became fulltime, another broadcaster with a daytimer in Lacey discovered that with a taller tower, 1280 could be fulltime, and moved his Lacey station from the other frequency to 1280, erecting the taller tower to accomplish it.
B. The tower in question is not the "tallest AM broadcast tower in the state".

Other than that, the narration is generally close.
 
The710 KIRO AM towers on Vashon are the tallest AM towers I know of at 520'. They were built in 1941 and still are standing. It's also in the top ten as far as ratings in Seattle. KOMO AM comes in at around 488'. KLDY 1280 is 460'. The KVI am tower was built in 1936 and is 429'

When the 1280 tower was built it was unique that an owner was willing to put up a tall tower (more money) versus making something shorter work (shorter tower = less money). Now what the transmitter see's yes the 1280 tower is electrically taller at 1280 than the KIRO towers operating at 710khz.
 
Translators are secondary service. Doesn't an LPFM trump a translator?

Not sure how it works when it comes to translator vs LPFM. Both are class D secondary services. Just my guess, but I'm thinking whichever was on the air first would be the station that would prevail in a dispute between two class D FMs.
 
Not sure how it works when it comes to translator vs LPFM. Both are class D secondary services. Just my guess, but I'm thinking whichever was on the air first would be the station that would prevail in a dispute between two class D FMs.

Does anyone know if KGY FM is actually is translator or a LP? It seems like a "loophole" for KGY to use that station when it was intended to be a translator in downtown Olympia.
 
KGY's fm signal is a translator. These days, translators are allowed to rebroadcast am stations and be fed via STL. When the sale closes, the translator will have to shift to rebroadcasting 96.9-HD2 if it hasn't already. That is also perfectly legal.
 
KGY's fm signal is a translator. These days, translators are allowed to rebroadcast am stations and be fed via STL. When the sale closes, the translator will have to shift to rebroadcasting 96.9-HD2 if it hasn't already. That is also perfectly legal.

I completely forgot that the old AM signal was rebroadcast on 96.9 HD-2. All in all, its a bit of a loophole.
 
KLDY 1280's towers are 460 feet, but you'd think it was 0 with the signal strength in Seattle, Bellevue and Everett. KIT Yakima can take over completely on winter days.

-crainbebo
 
As I recall, it's north of I-5 as I-5 is going east-west in that area. Been there but it's been fifteen years.
 
Does anyone know if KGY FM is actually is translator or a LP? It seems like a "loophole" for KGY to use that station when it was intended to be a translator in downtown Olympia.

An LPFM will not be running real commercials. A commercial translator will. Also, and LPFM will ID "KXXX-LP", whereas a translator will either have an audible ID at a few specified times (not every hour) something like "K212AC". Translator call letters will include 3 digits which identifies the FM channel.

Call it a loophole if you wish. In the formative years of economically liable FM, the Commission allowed 100% AM-FM simulcast. Few had FM receivers, and FM just was not getting off the ground. Is this a lot different than today, with the Commission encouraging a shift to digital, but few have HD receivers? The Commission allows broadcasters to simulcast HD-2 programming on FM translators.
 
Re: AM tower height
Remember, for an AM station, the tower is the antenna. This is significantly different than the FM scenario.

At FM wavelengths, the antenna is very short, and is typically a dipole or pair of dipoles to form an element, and multiple elements to form the array, which is then mounted on a tower to gain height above ground. The tower is only the means of support.

At the much longer AM wavelengths, the tower IS the antenna, and the height has much to do with radio angles. In the case of 1280 Lacey, it wasn't a matter of a "taller tower" for range, but for radiation angles to minimize skywave radiation to allow night operation.
 
KLDY is an Olympian station, clear and simple. Where are the towers?

In Lacey, near North Thurston High School.

The stations there are all fairly low in power, so I don't think anyone would expect them to be a factor in Seattle or Bellevue. KGTK runs 3,000 watts daytime, and it doesn't get that far North very well.
 
Fact check -
A. Skip Marrow did not construct the tower. It was constructed by a previous licensee for the sole purpose of allowing a new station on 1280 to be fulltime. Interestingly, 1280 was the original frequency of KMAS, Shelton. As a Shelton station, it was a daytimer. After KMAS changed frequency to 1030 and became fulltime, another broadcaster with a daytimer in Lacey discovered that with a taller tower, 1280 could be fulltime, and moved his Lacey station from the other frequency to 1280, erecting the taller tower to accomplish it.
B. The tower in question is not the "tallest AM broadcast tower in the state".

Other than that, the narration is generally close.

OK. Thanks for that. Forgot about Vashon.

Got to chat with the owner of that tower again. Didn't the "other broadcaster" also own 920 for awhile? Skip had both KLDY (KTOL) and KBRD at one point, so I must have my sequences mixed up.
 
In Lacey, near North Thurston High School.

The stations there are all fairly low in power, so I don't think anyone would expect them to be a factor in Seattle or Bellevue. KGTK runs 3,000 watts daytime, and it doesn't get that far North very well.

The tower is between Sleater-Kinney Rd NE and Abernathy Rd NE in Lacey where 20th Ave NE would cross, if it did.
 
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I tuned into KGY yesterday, and it does NOT sound very good. A song was playing when I tuned in, and directly after that song finished the announcer back-sold an entirely different song that isn't even remotely close to what was playing. I don't know what is going on down there, but it sounds like someone is not paying attention to the old rule about inserting and deleting songs near a voicetrack (I am just assuming that KGY is tracked).

I get the impression that they have given up on that station for the most part.
 
And many of your favorite metro stations are voice-tracked as well. Drive around on the weekend and see how many cars are in the parking lot.
 
And many of your favorite metro stations are voice-tracked as well. Drive around on the weekend and see how many cars are in the parking lot.

That is true, many are, but it seems to me like voice-tracking happens most often on smaller stations (as logic would explain). It seems to me like most metropolitan stations try to keep most of their programming live, which is of course easier when you have a significantly bigger amount of money to play around with.

While I thought the guy on KGY sounded excellent (and very old fashioned, fitting well with the programming), it just seems lazy to me for nobody at the station to be checking up on the voice-tracks. I'd hope that someone in the office would have come running in to try and correct any further errors. I'm only assuming that this one cut-in was not singular mistake.
 
That's happened before on KPLZ as well. Usually they're pretty good, but once in a while they'll play the wrong track coming out of a music set into a break. Usually, it's two tracks that have gotten reversed.
 
That's happened before on KPLZ as well. Usually they're pretty good, but once in a while they'll play the wrong track coming out of a music set into a break. Usually, it's two tracks that have gotten reversed.

Is it easy to tell on KPLZ? From what I have observed, a voice-track will always appear directly after a song has finished fading out completely. I guess its kind of a signal that nobody is pressing the button.
 
KAYO may be the part of the KGY family that is keeping them afloat financially. How many more body parts can they lop off before another station is sold? I was also told by a engineer that the KMAS translator on 92.9 wasn't their idea originally but someone else' who was a year or so away from a license and turned the transmitter on Bush over to them.
 
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