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950 ESPN vs 610 WIP

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HarveyBrowning

Is there a real sports station war starting like there was in the 80's with the rock stations ?

Mike and Mike vs Angelo and Co. - I take Mike and Mike, but I am not dumb enough to know who is winning this battle. But Mike and Mike like them or not is a pretty well done, informative show if you like the national perspective, which Philly typically doesnt.

Jody Mac vs Macnow and Gargano - I think Gargano is the least talented guy on the radio - He stinks. But people like him. I take Jody everyday of the week and twice on Sunday of this pairing. Glenn is much better alone and Gargano is a host killer. Jody NEEDS a partner, but even alone i'll take him over there two.

Tirico and Van Pelt vs Macnow and Gargano - For as bad a job I think the WIP crew does here, I think the ESPN national show is worse. In a market like Philadelphia, that show is UNLISTENABLE. I will take 25 cuz's and 4 movie club for men lists over the most vanilla, boring host anywhere - Mike Tirico...he kills that show.

Mikey Miss vs Eskin - Never been an Eskin fan, but Miss needs a partner, he is good alone, not great. If given a choice, I still tune into Missanelli, but man he seems to have so many good things he wants to do, but had nobody to bounce them off of (no his lousy producer doesnt count). Eskin some days sounds disinterested and bored, Miss sounds like he is crying out for help.

Locker Room vs Ike Reese - During football, Ike might be ok. But during the Phillies summer, he is HORRIBLE. The Locker room is just bad anytime of season. If a poor sports-radio listener is subjected to one of these shows in a market this big, thats sad. I dont know what the powers that be see in these "talents", but they all musy have pics of the PDs somewhere. Other thne Reese playing for the Eagles, I dont thin one of these guys is a fan of the Philly teams or has a clue about them. The night guy should be the guy on staff who knows more about the teams then anyone, collectivly, these three know ziltch.

Rest of the dayparts - WIP is local ALL of the time and 950 is not, I think Brian Seltzer is better then anyone Eagles guy WIP as on staff (not counting Ray Didinger), the 950 update anchors are sounding better (if I hear Steve Trevalise butcher another name), but I think there lies a lot of the problem, not local = not tuned in. If given a choice of the local host, you can say there is a real choice (except at nite).

So is 950 went local 24/7 would they start to compete ?
 
well said. Does Cataldi ever talk about sports? Macnow alone would be better. Eskin is a know-it-all blowhard who knows football but not much about anything else. Tirico is sleep inducing. Missanelli needs a partner.
 
i was yet again flabbergasted friday afternoon listening to macnow in the 2 pm hour (gargano must've had the day off), and he had a political guest on to talk about barack obama's speech!! one week before the start of the nfl season, the phillies in the middle of the pennant race, and macnow thinks it's a good time to roll out the political talk. wip never ceases to amaze. one of the good things gargano does at least is keep macnow talking sports as gargano doesn't usually like to stray off into other issues (with the exception of movies, the most tired guy talk subject) the way macnow does.
 
orange434 said:
i was yet again flabbergasted friday afternoon listening to macnow in the 2 pm hour (gargano must've had the day off)
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Do Anthony and Glen ever do more than two shows together on any given week?
 
So Macnow talked about Obama's speech on Friday. The speech was the night before and Eagles opener was a week away. The station is guy talk with a major lean towards sports. Look at the ratings. I dont see WPEN even close to WIP. Complain all you want but people still listen. 20,000 people show up to see guys eat wings at 4 am every year. Talking X & O's only goes so far and listeners in this market dont really care.
 
I did not hear Macnows show when they talked about the Obama speech, because I dont listen to him anymore. But what was the purpose. If the person was a Obama supporter, all he would do is brag up the speech. What else would you expect. So why would you bring that person on, except if you were trying to help get Obama elected. Same thing when Eskin had Hillary on, or Cataldi had Obama. It was just the host of the show trying to campaign for the candidate. As I've said in the past, Macnow knows nothing about sports and has to use non sports topics to carry his show when he is alone.
 
Dancerev889 said:
So Macnow talked about Obama's speech on Friday. The speech was the night before and Eagles opener was a week away. The station is guy talk with a major lean towards sports. Look at the ratings. I dont see WPEN even close to WIP. Complain all you want but people still listen. 20,000 people show up to see guys eat wings at 4 am every year. Talking X & O's only goes so far and listeners in this market dont really care.
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i understand wip has been successful with guy talk, and i certainly can't argue against their numbers. but political talk is a WHOLE other realm of radio, and as bad as some of the wip hosts are when they talk straight-up sports, they are downright embarrassing when they talk politics, i could find a person walking down the street who knows more about political topics than they do. yet for some reason they feel like they need to venture into it, and as the poster before me noted, it ends up being a campaign for their political party (which on wip means almost all democrats), and to me all it does is just completely turn off the other half of your listening audience that is not with your ideologies. it's pathetic really, you don't hear WFAN or WEEI spewing crap like this, and those stations do just fine thank you. there is no reason wip can't do well in philadelphia without having to devote shows to mindless drivel. leave the politics to 1210.
 
I did hear that interview last week and was like, what the hell has happened to sports-talk radio in Philadelphia. This used to be one of the top radio markets in the country and some guy from some dot-com is talking about my little pony cartoon, I mean come on, the Eagles play Sunday ya know and oh yeah, the Phils are kind of in a playoff race.

I guess Glenn ran out of top ten lists and had to resort to his favorite TV shows.
 
HarveyBrowning said:
I did hear that interview last week and was like, what the hell has happened to sports-talk radio in Philadelphia. This used to be one of the top radio markets in the country and some guy from some dot-com is talking about my little pony cartoon, I mean come on, the Eagles play Sunday ya know and oh yeah, the Phils are kind of in a playoff race.

I guess Glenn ran out of top ten lists and had to resort to his favorite TV shows.
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Phillies with sports talk do not equal ratings. Eagles play this Sunday, this interview was last Friday. People are not to high on the Eagles and they are playing the Rams which isnt in a lot peoples minds a big game. If Im not mistaken Glenn does have a background in political journalism. Again pick up the phone and call Tom Bigby, ask him what WIP is. He will tell you straight out, its guy talk, with a major lean on sports. Funny Mike Miss does a field of 64 on other things than sports quite frequently. Im not a fan of the political talk either but listeners call in to talk about it. Suggestion, if you want the hosts to change topics call in and bring up something up. Its that easy
 
Don't get me wrong, WIP is guy talk and sports, but I think Macnow's background was in business and politics. So at a stretch, although it may not be the typical topic to tune in to on WIP, Macnow is probably qualified to talk about it. Think 'Elitist' guy talk.
Personally, I prefer the direction they are taking on 950, but I need more local guys, like somebody already mentioned up above.
 
wcradio2 said:
Don't get me wrong, WIP is guy talk and sports, but I think Macnow's background was in business and politics. So at a stretch, although it may not be the typical topic to tune in to on WIP, Macnow is probably qualified to talk about it. Think 'Elitist' guy talk.
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Which makes sense because, as we all know (or have been made to believe) Obama is an "elitist", right? ;D
 
Yeah, that's why elitist was in quotes. It's hard to write sarcastically. I don't really listen to 'IP much anymore. When I do listen to sports-talk it's Missanelli on PEN. But I don't have anything against Macnow having a guest on from outside strict 'Sports'-talk programming. Since when is WIP only sports-talk anyway. It's pretty much guy-talk etc. If Macnow has a guest that he wants on, lets him have his say, and asks pertinent questions, but the listeners don't like it, well then it's up to the listeners to call in and let him know...or rip him...or tune out. Yeah, the Phils are in a pennant race. The Eagles are ready to go (maybe). But we're also in an election year. If somebody decides they want to or feel the need to bring that up, that is also vaguely important to me. Frankly, I'd rather hear someone I can relate to more easily (like Macnow) talk about politics on a station like WIP, than hear the Limbaughs, O'Reillys, or Rhodes on their narrowly programmed outlets.
 
So what if Macnow interviewed someone about Obama's speech. As has been stated here, WIP is guy talk. It's whatever the hot topic is, and these days, it's the election. About WIP leaning Democrat, that may be true (although they butchered John Street, who is a Democrat). But I'm sure when Cataldi had Obama on, they made offers to the other campaigns. They have to by law, don't they? Another station had Bill Clinton on (I think BEN-FM). I'm sure they made offers to other campaigns as well.
 
i don't know what to tell you, but macnow's strength is not talking politics. just listen when he does. it's cringe-worthy.

speaking of politics, the king in the afternoon delved into it today, and he actually went off about how much he was moved by the sarah palin speech. the king makes no secret his ties to the democratic party, so it was kinda sickening to see how it was all just to fit into his agendas. he's a huge hilary backer and loves the clintons in general and it ticked him off to no end that obama got the nomination, so now he's going to the extent to praise the opposing party. it probably doesn't hurt that angelo is in obama's corner. see, if the political talk on WIP was actually genuine and remotely compelling, i wouldn't mind. but it's all about the hosts' agendas. STICK TO SPORTS!
 
Alot of political talk on the radio is cringe-worthy. Macnow may be cringe-worthy. But I don't mind politics being brought up on WIP. Political talk in this format is much more accessible for a 'guy talk' audience, rather than having to sort through the hard core political chatter on other outlets. You can call and argue the point if you want with Macnow, or some of the other hosts, without the worry of having to patronize the host to make your point (I'll grant you, not with Eskin). Sure, for straight ahead sports, go to PEN. For guy talk, everything may be thrown in.
Sports, politics, movies, women,guy-talk... fair game at WIP. Whether it's done well is another question. More sports focus... PEN.
I'm sure this point I'm trying to make is cringe-worthy... sorry about that.
 
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