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95X Changing Format on July 4

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ChiaHead

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Syracuse.com is reporting that 95X is changing to country and will be called "Cat Country" on July 4.There is even discussion about a free State Fair concert with local acts to roll out the new format.No verification yet but some of the specifics such as name,timing and roll out plans are more detailed than ever before.
 
ChiaHead said:
Syracuse.com is reporting that 95X is changing to country and will be called "Cat Country" on July 4.There is even discussion about a free State Fair concert with local acts to roll out the new format.No verification yet but some of the specifics such as name,timing and roll out plans are more detailed than ever before.

Here we go again. The other rumor is X will flip to Lithuanian Love Songs with weather on the 9's on 09/09/09.
 
ChiaHead said:
Syracuse.com is reporting that 95X is changing to country and will be called "Cat Country" on July 4.

No they aren't reporting this. People are posting rumors on the syracuse.com message board... probably the same people who are doing it here. That would be like saying radio-info.com is reporting it just because of this thread and the adjacent p!$$ing match about the ratings of the three rock stations.

Kind of misleading, almost spit out my soda when I saw that and wondered how I missed what would likely be a pretty big article, if it were real news.

This is about the 18th time this rumor has floated since Howard Stern went off terrestrial radio... I'm surprised it hasn't earned itself a page on snopes.com yet. I'm not saying 95X will "never" flip formats, but this is like the boy who cried wolf. I'm never going to believe it until the day it actually happens.
 
I’m with ya, Bob! I won’t believe it ‘till I hear it for myself, either.

Oh, and for those who call Rockn Science “Kevin,” it’s not him. Rockn Science is probably Tom Mitchel. From what I’ve heard, Mitchel is a rude person, and Kevin Legret isn’t. Hey, Tom: Any plans to bring back Big Jim? Or, are you still content on having the spotlight to yourself.

--The Radio Kid
(Oswego, NY.)
My email: [email protected].
 
theradiokid said:
I’m with ya, Bob! I won’t believe it ‘till I hear it for myself, either.

Oh, and for those who call Rockn Science “Kevin,” it’s not him. Rockn Science is probably Tom Mitchel. From what I’ve heard, Mitchel is a rude person, and Kevin Legret isn’t. Hey, Tom: Any plans to bring back Big Jim? Or, are you still content on having the spotlight to yourself.

--The Radio Kid
(Oswego, NY.)
My email: [email protected].
Amusing. Think about it "kid." With all due respect and objectivity: You decry rumor mongering as it relates to another "X is going country" post (which I agree, is ludicrous) yet you speculate that Rockin Science isn't Kevin Legrett, but Tom Mitchell. You then compound that by offering a "from what I've heard..."

BTW, I heard that Rockin Science really is Joe Galuski messin' with everybody's head here. See what I mean?
 
Hello: Obviously I am not on these boards that much, but when I am, I am somewhat surprised to read so many nasty comments about almost every radio station and person that works at them. It would seem to me that everyone is trying their best even if it does not come across that way. Yes, I'm sure there are some less than perfect and considerate radio people at these stations, but isn't it that way at most businesses?

Even when I wrote my original post passing along some ratings info, a couple of responding posts were less than friendly. All I was trying to do was point out some information for those that thought they knew the ratings and were off in some regards.

As to why there is this love hate relationship with many when it concerns 95X and TK-99/K-Rock all I can say in my opinion is that whether anyone loves TK-99 or it's owner or not, one thing I have to give them credit for is that the numbers aren't too bad considering they have the weakest signal at 6000 watts, while 95x has 25,000, the "B" 50,000 and 93Q 100,000. Those stations should trounce little 6,000 watt TK and they are not from what I read when looking at the numbers.

In any event, it was nice to jump in on this board for a change. Thanks!
 
Hello Again....I apologize, but my above post should have gone into the subject thread heading "95X In Last Place" and not this thread. I inserted in this thread by mistake and am too stupid to figure out if there is a way to take this post and get it back into the other thread.

Sorry.
 
Ed's usually the guy that stirs the pot, and the folks at Citadel and Clear Channel are already on edge because of the nightmare they're living there. That may explain the amount of vitriol expended here.

As far as the "95X Going Country" rumor is concerned, it makes as little sense now as it did when the ideas was floated 200 times in the past. So far, Chia, you're 0 for The Past. What, you figure if you recycle this rumor enough times, you'll eventually be right? Or, is it wishful thinking?

Get back to us when you have a credible source, OK? And by that, I mean one that some NOT on your payroll agrees with.
 
Actually it's not July 4th, it's Memorial Day. And it's not country, it's public radio. Because WEOS is buying 95X for a pittance and a tax write-off.
 
....AANNNNNNND if any of you actually BELIEVED me when I said WEOS was buying 95X, you REALLY need to get some perspective!

::)

Christ, it's hard enough to get the money to build the CP's I've already got. How the hell would I come up with the millions needed to buy 95X?!?!?
 
Oh is this like they were going to switch to an all classic rock format last July 4th (or was that two years ago?). I can't remember, but I'm sure next July 4th you'll be predicting some other format switch. LOL. Pathetic.
 
Let's see: 95X has lost more than 50% of its revenue in the last 5 years,50% of its ratings,and is currently the third ranked rocker in a 3 rocker market.
B 104 has been the top ranked station for 15 years,has been the top biller for 10 years and is completely unopposed in the format.
If B-104 lost even 3 points of key ratings,sister station 93Q would be the number one station almost every book.
You're right-what a DUMB move changing 95X would be!
 
And just where is Citadel going to get the money for outside promotion if they make a major format change? Anybody who knows anything about radio should know that you can't EFFECTIVELY make a major format change without outside promotion.

95X could effectively compete with the "mighty" Levine duopoly. They simply need better management.
 
Beg to differ. Citadel currently has strong local management and has had some very good people in place over the past five years. They simply find themselves in a non winnable situation surrounded by two commonly owned competitors that are both aiming at 95X. The problem is corporate is unwilling to do what is necessary to win in Syracuse which is to blow up BOTH 95X and Lite and do country on the stronger frequency. Yes some money would have to be spent but not much since B104 is vulnerable as never before and CC will not defend an attack as they have been neutered.
 
Thanks for your opinion, Ed. It sure would make it sweet for you if they followed your direction.

Country audiences in the NE are notoriously loyal. Citadel's biggest problem is that they don't have the money to promote what they've got. There's NO money to promote TWO format changes.

And, the Galaxy duopoly is NOT unbeatable. Period.
 
Clear Channel may be neutered, but so is Citadel. It's an industry-wide situation.

Both companies just posted significant first quarter losses. Both companies have been laying people off nationally as well as locally. If neither company can afford to staff their stations with live and local talent, where are they going to get the money to promote a new format?

In Clear Channel's case, the "losses" may very well just be translated as "eating into our profit, but we're still OK." At Citadel, the message in the quarterly filing was along the lines of "we need to raise $150M that we don't have, and we need to do it within 7 months or else we're going into default." In a situation like that, it's highly unlikely there will be money made available to give a new station a "proper" launch.

Sure, you could just have a quiet launch, maybe run promos on sister stations, and let word of mouth do the rest. And yeah, some people will find it and listen, and it might take a little bit away from B104. But without strong, local personalities and some top-notch promotions to practically bribe people to turn the dial, there's nothing Citadel can do that CC won't be able to match. Just because the newbie country station will play classic country doesn't mean it will be an immediate success. It just means the heritage station will throw a few classic titles into their own clocks, and listeners will ooh and ahh about it before they even realize the new station exists.

Let's consider another idea -- WFRG in Utica also plays country, and they're going at 100,000 watts -- twice as powerful as WBBS. Their signal covers pretty much everything B104's signal covers. If WBBS was doing such a bad job, wouldn't WFRG be getting more than 1's and 2's in the Syracuse book? After all, WFRG does virtually no promotion in Syracuse, but they still managed to get better P12+ numbers than Movin, Nova, WNSS and WFBL in the last publically-released book (Spring 2008). You can probably use WFRG as a model of the results a station would get with little or no outside promotion.

I'm sure a format flip on 95.7 would get SOME promotion, but you're still competing with an entrenched #1, in a format where listeners are very loyal. The entire team has to be willing to give the station a 120% effort, non-stop, for at least a few years. And that team starts with the jocks and sales people, and it goes all the way up to corporate. To do it right, you have to be prepared to invest so much time and money, you may have very little profit, or even losses, before you finally start to make significant progress against the leader. But right now, Citadel is only concerned with generating the cash for that $150M debt payment before January. They aren't in the position to be spending more than they're making, especially considering the new format may need that extreme TLC for at least 3 years before it begins paying off, if ever at all. Corporate numbers people just aren't into long-term ideas like that.
 
Bob,
You made some very valid points, well said. I agree that it is very very unlikely that X will flip formats. But I disagree that it would be hard to make a huge dent into B104. B's format is a hip country by the music they play. But the presentation and jocks are old and stale. Becky and Tom must be in there 50's or atleast sound like it. If someone did a country format similar to B but with younger and cooler jocks and "NOW" promotions...They can win! I am not saying they will be number #1, that would take a very long time. But they could easily get a 5 share in the first year. Frogs numbers are poor in Syracuse because it is a Utica station. The same reason why 93q pulls low numbers in Utica. People cant call Froggy their own when they play commercials, read wx, and do promotions for people that live in Utica. The sad thing is no one will ever challenge B104. Now that Nova is going religious/ethnic/brokered time there is no hope.
 
Radioflow said:
Frogs numbers are poor in Syracuse because it is a Utica station. The same reason why 93q pulls low numbers in Utica. People cant call Froggy their own when they play commercials, read wx, and do promotions for people that live in Utica.

I agree with this comment, but not based on the underlying assumption you seem to have made. The real problem with a Utica station having significant listening in Syracuse, for example, is not that that Syracuse listeners won't relate to the non-Utica station. It's that Utica advertisers by and large won't pay for Syracuse people to hear their ads. Most radio advertising is local to the market it's in.

And I may as well also rub in that you can have great ratings and low profits (typical oldies stations), while another station has lousy ratings, but strong profits (typical brokered station like WVOA). These are businesses we're talking about, after all, so it's all about the profits (or lack thereof).
 
Radioflow said:
B's format is a hip country by the music they play. But the presentation and jocks are old and stale. Becky and Tom must be in there 50's or atleast sound like it.

Yes, but so are many of the listeners :)

Kidding aside, it is a good point. Hot country is, in many ways, similar to CHR. You're dealing with an ever-changing playlist, adding new currents just about every week. It's always about keeping up with the latest and greatest. Some morning teams can continue to sound fresh and young even into their 40s and 50s, and other teams can't pull it off so well. I'd agree Ron/Tom and Becky are in that latter category... but they've been there for such a long time, if they get fired, the listeners would get seriously PO'ed. Unlike a CHR where most listeners are young, and more critical of an older morning team... country has listeners of a much larger age range, and many of them would seriously be upset to see their "old friends" blown out to bring in "some new kid."

No matter who you hire to replace them, the listeners will hate him/her/them. It's just the nature of the beast. If this ever were to happen, Lauber would be wise to just plug in some out-of-market voicetracker to temporarily fill in as "morning host / fall guy" or shift Amber or himself to mornings, and then conduct his search for a real replacement who would take over the morning show about 3-4 months later. That's usually about enough time for the listeners to get over it. The only potential "wrench in the works" would be if another station "rescued" the ousted B morning show in the meantime, but I don't see anyone coming up with the cash to do that AND to properly launch and promote a new format.
 
I think 95x should play straight classic rock. It also needs to be programmed by people that knew the local and canadian influence on the rock music around here. There is a huge listenership for rock music around here and trust me, the competition aint too stiff. WCMF went back to straight classic rock a few years ago and I (being in the demo) listened a lot more then. We do need to get people to listen, Correct?
 
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