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95X Deathwatch Is On As O&A Are Off

SeenItAll said:
Several ad agencies in town have begun telling people that they are hearing from "credible sources" that 95X indeed will flip to country immediately after their concert at the State Fair.

I think that will be a mistake. I think Citadel will end up trading a 3-share rock station for a 3-share country station. I'm thinking back to the country war in the mid-90's between WHEN-FM and WBBS and I believe that's how it ended (I'm sure someone will refresh my memory).

I've been impressed with some of the 25-54 numbers for JACK-FM in Buffalo and thought that MIGHT be an interesting format for WAQX given the cost savings. I think that could wedge itself in nicely between a couple of competitors.
 
ThePickleReport said:
SeenItAll said:
Several ad agencies in town have begun telling people that they are hearing from "credible sources" that 95X indeed will flip to country immediately after their concert at the State Fair.

I think that will be a mistake. I think Citadel will end up trading a 3-share rock station for a 3-share country station. I'm thinking back to the country war in the mid-90's between WHEN-FM and WBBS and I believe that's how it ended (I'm sure someone will refresh my memory).

I've been impressed with some of the 25-54 numbers for JACK-FM in Buffalo and thought that MIGHT be an interesting format for WAQX given the cost savings. I think that could wedge itself in nicely between a couple of competitors.

Citadel only owns 1 Adult Hits formatted radio station -- WDRQ "Doug FM" DeTroit. They've never done it anywhere else. I think the chances of "Doug" showing up in Syracuse are very slim.

As for a country war, I think it all depends. If WAQX did go country, they'd have to offer something not found, or very different than BBS in order to gain ratings. I don't think playing the "Station see, station do, the station does the same as you" game will work. There will be no insentive for listeners to switch from "B" to the new country station, since they'd be playing the same 35 country songs "B" does. They need to do something different. My suggestion, for what it is worth, is that, if they're gonna go country, put some classic country in the mix. No, no, no -- not like WSCP, which was a classic country station. I'm talking about something like the old "Bob" (WRBY) Utica. Anyone remember "Bob?"

--The Radio Kid
(AKA Oswego Jeremy, as nicknamed by George of the Radio Racket.)
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I've seen a couple of markets where Citadel has done country to go after a competitor and it hasn't worked out that well.

I just remember many years ago in Syracuse in the ad community the saying was country could be the #1 station and no-one would admit to listening to it. I just remember they use to have a hard time selling it to advertisers even during a boom for the country format. I'm sure that has changed considerably since WBBS arrived on the scene on 1993. I just wonder in a smaller northern market whether there's room for two country stations.
 
Yee-haw

Since you have a hamstrung Clear Channel, and 95X with little left to lose, it might be time for Kevin Legrett to make a bold move by bringing another country station to Syracuse. It could be a "test case" for making a similar move in other NE markets (like Buffalo) where a single country station dominates while a bunch of rock-based stations slice up that share of the audience.

Citadel has a wealth of country programming talent available. It's a format they understand well, and can likely find an existing PD to "consult". Country comes in several flavors now, and it might be time to take a shot while Clear Channel goes about the business of "cost reduction".

Besides, Legrett needs to do SOMETHING with the mess he's got in Syracuse. Watching it continue to circle the drain doesn't help him justify his paycheck at a time when Citadel is fighting to keep its NYSE listing.
 
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SirRoxalot said:
Since you have a hamstrung Clear Channel, and 95X with little left to lose, it might be time for Kevin Legrett to make a bold move by bringing another country station to Syracuse.

As they say "desperate times call for desperate measures". I would have done something drastic with 95X three plus years ago, but it's definitely the right time now, no question. Another country station would shake up the market for better or for worse. Citadel can't treat it like 95X though and expect to be a success, things like syndicated morning shows from out of the market aren't going to cut it.


Thinking out of the box here: pull a double move. 95X with the better signal becomes country and WLTI 105.9 inherits some sort of rock-based format.
 
why be soo afraid of the big bad CC. Country is cool now.....so 95X doesn't have to educate the market and feel bad that they are selling country. You could make a killing ....the key is to play the new country that B doesn't play until it becomes an old hit. plus classic hits .....bingo! And you know that the station will definitely take audience from B....easy and you can buy :60 second commercials!!! woooo!
 
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SirRoxalot said:
Besides, Legrett needs to do SOMETHING with the mess he's got in Syracuse. Watching it continue to circle the drain doesn't help him justify his paycheck at a time when Citadel is fighting to keep its NYSE listing.

Here's the problem. With Citadel fighting to keep its NYSE listing, does Legrett have the freedom and/or the budget to make such bold moves?

Sure, the timing is right, and it shouldn't take much to come up with a music clock that's better than B. But it still takes a lot to bring down a heritage, dominant station. As we've seen with teams like Beaner & Ken or even Pete & Brenda, CNY listeners don't always take very kindly to out-of-towners. CNY listeners don't really like "robot radio" where every song is followed by pre-produced liners that sound stale after you've heard all 20 of them for the sixth time after listening for just one workday.

Citadel would almost have to hire Skip Clark away from Movin' (just because he's the only ex-BBS personality I can think of who's still nearby) and bring in at least one other well-known personality for afternoon drive. A good midday jock would be nice too, but they could get away with a "new face" if carefully-chosen. Heck, now that the Governor has signed the law abolishing non-competes, maybe Citadel could hire away some existing B personalities. Still, no matter what course they take, it would likely cost a pretty penny to make it all happen.

And once Citadel does make its move (or even beforehand -- buzz would almost definitely get back to CC), you can bet BBS would immediately alter its M.O. in order to match and/or counter whatever Citadel is doing.

In the long run, no matter what brilliant things Citadel can come up with... WBBS is firmly-entrenched. No matter how mediocre WBBS is, they already have a massive audience. You could say they're the sleeping bear... and as soon as someone tries to wake up that bear, it will react and it will almost likely win. They continue to do what they do because they have no competition. But if someone else tries to come along, you can bet WBBS will immediately change to cancel out any "advantage" the competition had. (Just look at how WFRG in Utica has defeated one competitor after another over the years.)

In order to be successful, anyone hoping to overtake WBBS would need a lot of money: for great talent, great music consulting, great imaging, and tons of promotions. You need TV, billboards, lots of on-air cash giveaways, and lots of public appearances. Running a new radio station is a lot like running a political campaign. You have to be everywhere all the time, introducing yourself and your product to the market, one listener at a time. That's pretty hard to pull off when all or part of your on-air staff is syndicated and/or voicetracked from out-of-town.

Any competitor would also need a lot of time and patience. Taking over a 14-rating station, where the nearest competitor has an 8, does not happen overnight. A competitor would need his/her upper management to understand and commit to the fact that such a battle could very well take at least 2-4 years. In today's world of corporate radio, it's tough for a GM to get approval for a plan that involves several quarters of spending big money before there's even a chance of any notable success.

Long story short, it might be better for Citadel to keep things the way they are. Sure, they'd be heroes if they could unseat WBBS, but if the effort failed, they'd wind up in an even worse situation than the current state of 95X.
 
I can hear it now - "Imus in the morning and your favorite country hits from yesterday and today all day long"! It's the Farid way!
 
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BobRoss said:
Long story short, it might be better for Citadel to keep things the way they are. Sure, they'd be heroes if they could unseat WBBS, but if the effort failed, they'd wind up in an even worse situation than the current state of 95X.

That's exactly why I think a move to country would be expensive and risky at best.
 
This is a long thread, which indicates a complicated problem. There is a simple answer, a good local person. For example: have caught John Nicholson on Channel 9's morning show a few weeks ago? I was comfortable watching him, were you? Syracuse, and the TSA are conservative.
 
Owner said:
For example: have caught John Nicholson on Channel 9's morning show a few weeks ago? I was comfortable watching him, were you?

The Syracuse TSA may lean conservative, but I don't think a rock station that once featured Howard Stern can expect to get great ratings from a morning show hosted by an older man who hosts dog shows on ESPN. If anything, he'd be a suitable replacement for Dave Allen, if/when the rumors of his departure ever come to fruition.

I haven't seen it done (not saying it hasn't been done -- maybe it has, but I missed it), but it would be interesting to see a report on ALL the former Howard Stern affiliates, or at least a good number of them. What are they doing now, and how successful have they been? Are all the ex-Stern affiliates still struggling to find a new identity, or is 95X alone in this? Are they doing the right thing, or (despite my earlier argument against it) should they pursue a new format after all?

I don't know very many Stern fans personally, but the few that I do know all got satellite radio so they could keep listening. It doesn't matter who 95X puts on morning drive... these guys are gone for good.

Another observation from this - it's a prime example of radio shooting itself in the foot by going overboard with voicetracking and syndication. If Stern had made this move 20 years earlier, there would have been a long list of prime candidates beating down the door to take over his morning slot and management would have had a very tough decision. Today, who are you gonna get? Smaller market rock stations don't have "up and coming" morning show hosts who'd want to move to Syracuse, because most of them have Bob & Tom or Imus or some other syndicated show. Most other applicants would probably be coming from bigger markets, demanding more money than X is looking to spend. It's easier and cheaper to just slide an existing jock into mornings, make it a music-intensive show that doesn't require a lot of talent, and give the lucky winner a $2000 raise (if that).
 
Here's the answer:

1. Bring Ryno back.

2. Have him do his show daily - rain or shine, winter and summer - from a dunk tank across the street from Syracuse University.
 
I have a feeling many of these rumored format flips may be nothing more than a little spackle and paint job. I don't see Citadel or any of the other conglomerates in smaller markets spending the loot to really overhaul stations right now. If the big one does get dropped I'd bet it is just in time for the Spring 2009 book.
 
Owner said:
For example: have caught John Nicholson on Channel 9's morning show a few weeks ago?
Have you caught Mr. Nicholson was what I meant to write. Not suggesting John Nicholson work the morning show on 95x, They couldnt afford him. What I mean Bob, is what many stations are missing when looking for good air talent. That's familiarity. Having people be comfortable with the voice they hear is an important ingredient if you can get it. The latest morning show on 95x is an unfamilliar guy saying shut-up and rock? What snow-shoveling, hard working blue collar conservative Central New Yorker wants to be told to shut up? Not this one, thats for sure. This is radio 101.
 
Owner said:
What I mean Bob, is what many stations are missing when looking for good air talent. That's familiarity. Having people be comfortable with the voice they hear is an important ingredient if you can get it.

No argument there. Familiarity is a great thing to have.

Owner said:
The latest morning show on 95x is an unfamilliar guy saying shut-up and rock? What snow-shoveling, hard working blue collar conservative Central New Yorker wants to be told to shut up? Not this one, thats for sure. This is radio 101.

I'm not sure that's how the show's title was meant. Maybe it's just me, but when I first heard about it, I perceived it as the station's directive to itself, as in "(We're gonna) shut up and rock." Drives home the point that it's much more music-intensive than O&A, B&K, Stern, etc. But everyone's got their own way of looking at things.
 
Exactly right Bob. It seems since Stern the station has had some bright ideas that went along with little mistakes. It would take the right person to go in every morning to straighten things out.
 
Owner said:
Exactly right Bob. It seems since Stern the station has had some bright ideas that went along with little mistakes. It would take the right person to go in every morning to straighten things out.

Hmmmm...let me think. Maybe a smart, local, relatable morning host. Someone who, oh, I don't know...plays a lot of club dates? Someone with years of experience? Someone whose name is spoken with the same kind of reverence normally reserved for Marconi and Fred Friendly? A regular guy just waiting to take the market by storm with his hip, slightly off-center view of the world? A down-to-earth everyman with just enough wackiness to make mornings come alive?

A man...with a mullet? :eek:

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