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[Mediafrog+]

Yes. But just because something is illegal doesn't mean you can't talk about it or depict it over the air. There are TV stations that advertise beer and show beer consumption in shows despite the fact that their airwaves cover "dry" counties.

And we should point out there is plenty of advertising in Houston on radio, TV and other media for the casinos in SW Louisiana. Go up to DFW and you’ll be bombarded by ads for the Oklahoma casinos as well as horse racing in Louisiana.

Should we ban horse racing on TV in Texas because it involves gambling?

It is only a matter of time before the people get to vote for it. The Oklahoma - Louisiana special interest groups are slowly losing their grip. The only person standing in the way now is Dan Patrick.

Disclaimer again: I personally have zero interest in gambling. But eventually the gambling interests, who wield a huge amount of financial clout, will win out. As we’ve discussed before, a central tenet of American capitalism is “Never let any sense of morality get in the way of making money.”

 

[Engineering]

And Houstonians practice gambling when they travel there. There is a niche market for gambling all over the US because consumers travel for it.

So, would you be in favor of a radio station in Houston dedicated to prostitution, even though prostitution is illegal in Texas? After all, according to your logic, even though it is clearly illegal, it's only a matter of time before it is. I'm sure Dan Patrick is against prostitution as well. And recreational use of crack cocaine and Fentanyl, both iof which are brought into the United States from Mexico by "migrants," where it apparently is legal.

 

[davideduardo]

And recreational use of crack cocaine and Fentanyl, both iof which are brought into the United States from Mexico by "migrants," where it apparently is legal.

Neither are legal in Mexico, but that country has "a country within a country" with huge areas controlled by the cartel groups and able to transport cocaine that now comes in mostly via Ecuador (now the most violent nation in our Hemisphere) and fentanyl which is made from Chinese raw materials that come into Mexican Pacific Coast ports.

And the "migrants" generally don't transport drugs (some may be enlisted as carriers in exchange for the fees they pay to the "coyotes"). The drug trafficers have a much more organized system that ships in larger quantities.

 

[TheBigA]

So, would you be in favor of a radio station in Houston dedicated to prostitution, even though prostitution is illegal in Texas?

Once again, the radio station is merely TALKING ABOUT sports gambling. If that bothers you, file a complaint with the FCC.

 

[BamaTX]

So, would you be in favor of a radio station in Houston dedicated to prostitution, even though prostitution is illegal in Texas?

They're free to talk about it if they want.

This is America. We have freedom of speech.

After all, according to your logic, even though it is clearly illegal, it's only a matter of time before it is.

That's besides the point. You're talking about restricting speech that talks/depicts illegal activity/hypotheticals.

I'm sure Dan Patrick is against prostitution as well. And recreational use of crack cocaine and Fentanyl,

But he isn't against freedom of speech, is he?

both iof which are brought into the United States from Mexico by "migrants," where it apparently is legal.

It's not legal in Mexico. If anything, Mexico forces their radio stations to play PSAs that earn people against using drugs.

And I'm not really sure what you're point is. Most crack cocaine is manufactured here in the US using South American products and fentanyl is largely supplied by China. Mexico is merely a route for America's demand.

And migrants being mules is a big misconception. Illegal immigration itself is a lucrative unlawful business (also depicted on tv from time to time). Drug mulling and human smuggling are two activities that don't intersect as much as the media would lead you to believe. At least not in Texas.

 

[theantennaguy]

Neither are legal in Mexico, but that country has "a country within a country" with huge areas controlled by the cartel groups and able to transport cocaine that now comes in mostly via Ecuador (now the most violent nation in our Hemisphere) and fentanyl which is made from Chinese raw materials that come into Mexican Pacific Coast ports.

And the "migrants" generally don't transport drugs (some may be enlisted as carriers in exchange for the fees they pay to the "coyotes"). The drug trafficers have a much more organized system that ships in larger quantities.

This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with radio.

 

[davideduardo]

This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with radio.

Yes it does. It is about the legality of spots betting and how radio stations that cover sports betting can exist in states where such betting is not allowed.

The drug issue is a sidebar and involves the legality of all controlled substances based on a prior discussion of the past NAB Code regulations on hard liquor advertising.

All of that is about radio; the discussion has compared previously self-restricted hard liquor advertising to today's situation with sports betting.

 

[dlf1]

CBD is legal in Texas. Sports gambling is not.

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood and I never slice

 

[Engineering]

Yes it does. It is about the legality of spots betting and how radio stations that cover sports betting can exist in states where such betting is not allowed.

The drug issue is a sidebar and involves the legality of all controlled substances based on a prior discussion of the past NAB Code regulations on hard liquor advertising.

All of that is about radio; the discussion has compared previously self-restricted hard liquor advertising to today's situation with sports betting.

Does anyone have the numbers KIKK-AM is generating, in comparison to other stations in the Houston market. That alone should settle whether discussing an illegal activity on radio is attracting large numbers of Houston listeners to the content provider.

 

[Engineering]

They're free to talk about it if they want.

This is America. We have freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech isn't an absolute right. You can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre, if there is no fire present, and the FCC has restricted certain obscene words and conduct from the public airwaves. On the other side of the argument, the Commission requires EAS alerts to be broadcast, and compels stations to provide a set numer of hours per week for children's and public affairs programming. These are all restrictions on freedom of speech.

 

[radiofan2023]

Freedom of speech isn't an absolute right. You can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre, if there is no fire present, and the FCC has restricted certain obscene words and conduct from the public airwaves. On the other side of the argument, the Commission requires EAS alerts to be broadcast, and compels stations to provide a set numer of hours per week for children's and public affairs programming. These are all restrictions on freedom of speech.

The set number of hours for children’s programming requirements only apply to TV stations, not radio stations.

 

[TheBigA]

Does anyone have the numbers KIKK-AM is generating, in comparison to other stations in the Houston market. That alone should settle whether discussing an illegal activity on radio is attracting large numbers of Houston listeners to the content provider.

So it's OK to discuss an illegal activity if it makes money?

 

[pjc1961]

Does anyone have the numbers KIKK-AM is generating, in comparison to other stations in the Houston market. That alone should settle whether discussing an illegal activity on radio is attracting large numbers of Houston listeners to the content provider.

Via AllAccess.com ratings page, cume results for KIKK-AM Feb.-July 2023:

Station___Format_Owner_Feb 23__Mar 23__Apr 23__May 23___Jun 23___Jul 23
KIKK-AM___N/T__Audacy__6,400____7,500___7,600____1,500____2,100____2,500

The station had less than a 0.1 share in each individual survey period.

***** ***** *****

As has been mentioned several times in this (and other) threads, this type of station does not rely on cume/share alone to sell advertising.

Before betting was legal outside of a very few places in the US in the mid 1970s, Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder appeared on the CBS pregame show "The NFL Today" to predict the outcomes of that day's games without overtly mentioning the point spreads, therefore avoiding any official connections between gambling and the league.

In today's environment, many TV and radio sports networks (primarily national in scale, available for viewing/listening in Houston) now openly discuss sports betting/wagering.

Even "Mike and the Mad Dog" on WFAN New York starting in 1989 would pick NFL games vs. the point spread on their "Football Friday Picks" segment, decades before sports betting became legal in the NY Metro area (outside of Atlantic City, NJ casinos and later in the 1990s at the Native American casino properties such as Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut).

 

[ContinuousWave]

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood and I never slice

Hey judge I bet you a thousand bucks you slice into the woods!

Okay you can owe me!!

 

[HTX]

I know this is probably the most conversation anyone has ever had about KIKK-AM but what does it have to do about Country Legends?

 

[CTListener]

Via AllAccess.com ratings page, cume results for KIKK-AM Feb.-July 2023:

Station___Format_Owner_Feb 23__Mar 23__Apr 23__May 23___Jun 23___Jul 23
KIKK-AM___N/T__Audacy__6,400____7,500___7,600____1,500____2,100____2,500

The station had less than a 0.1 share in each individual survey period.

***** ***** *****

As has been mentioned several times in this (and other) threads, this type of station does not rely on cume/share alone to sell advertising.

Before betting was legal outside of a very few places in the US in the mid 1970s, Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder appeared on the CBS pregame show "The NFL Today" to predict the outcomes of that day's games without overtly mentioning the point spreads, therefore avoiding any official connections between gambling and the league.

In today's environment, many TV and radio sports networks (primarily national in scale, available for viewing/listening in Houston) now openly discuss sports betting/wagering.

Even "Mike and the Mad Dog" on WFAN New York starting in 1989 would pick NFL games vs. the point spread on their "Football Friday Picks" segment, decades before sports betting became legal in the NY Metro area (outside of Atlantic City, NJ casinos and later in the 1990s at the Native American casino properties such as Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in Connecticut).

Actually the Connecticut casinos didn't get sports betting until late 2021, when it was legalized statewide. Before then, the tribal casinos were limited to parimutuel wagering (horses, dogs, jai alai).

 

[Mediafrog+]

Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder appeared on the CBS pregame show "The NFL Today" to predict the outcomes of that day's games without overtly mentioning the point spreads, therefore avoiding any official connections between gambling and the league.

Jimmy the Greek Snyder always liked to refer to himself as an oddsmaker, not a gambler.

All the handwringing over the sports betting format on KIKK is silly. As I noted earlier, if out-of-state casinos are allowed to advertise on Texas media outlets, what is the problem?

Sure, gambling to an extreme degree can ruin people financially, but so can a lot of other activities. Look at how many people empty their bank accounts and give it to some religious entity.

Perhaps we should ban business formats and financial news in broadcasting since many see Wall Street and the stock market as a big casino, where you can lose a lot of money?

Of course this whole discussion points out the silliness of many aspects of our federal system of government, where your rights and freedoms can vary greatly depending on what part of the country you live in. What other nation on earth has such a fragmented system of governance?

 

[CTListener]

Just as "gambling" is sanitized by calling it "gaming," it is turned into a game of skill by calling it "investing."

 

[Mediafrog+]

I know this is probably the most conversation anyone has ever had about KIKK-AM

Very true. The last time 650 was of any relevance was during its Classic Country phase in the 1990s. Since then it can’t draw flies. Remember “CNN 650”? “Classic Cool”? Even Howard Stern flopped.

but what does it have to do about Country Legends?

Nothing other than speculating on a new home for the format (it won’t be 650.) Will be nice when the Sugarland Station Trust divestitures are complete and we have something new to talk about.😛

 

[Deleted member 108832]

I know this is probably the most conversation anyone has ever had about KIKK-AM but what does it have to do about Country Legends?

Other than it WAS the legacy country music outlet in Houston, and that someone here thinks that would be a nifty idea to try out in the present day? Nada.