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97.5 has got to go and ysp will never go

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oasisrulz

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I think the 97.5 frequency has its lowest ratings in history....why doesn't GM blow it up now and recreate Classic Oldies ala WMID in AC same playlist....OGL is really ripe for the picking and grabbing some of their advertiser unfriendly audiance is still worth the flip...on the other hand YSP is making changes extending Danny and playing more oh wow tunes...I think they are committed to this format and will never ever flip even if the fan does...YSP is here to stay....IMHO....just my thoughts on the two stations...
 
Ah, one of the signs of the changing seasons, the tired old claim that 'OGL can be picked off if only someone puts out demo-unfriendly stuff that will bring next to no cash. :)
 
Geeze lighten up.. why does everyone go on a tangent when Classic Oldies in mentioned...it would work and would pull over a 4.0 with the 40 to dead crowd, its better than a 1.1 with the under 40 folk....what else it there, Full Blown Active rock, Hard Alternative, Classic Rock that Rocks, are not an option, when the suits want to play it safe but at least YSP is testing the Hair Metal waters....there is Classic Country... wait the demos... yeh we all know it.....Philly is not a Jazz or Heavy Urban town so what else is there....well we could have a station for the European peoples that came in the 18 and early 1900's....in their language...5 hours for each language every day.....oh yeh....not politically correct....so its gotta be Classic Oldies....
 
Id probaly see a "Gen X" theme come to 97.5 than classic oldies. Management will flip to a format that most station nationwide are flipping to. Sadly, I was expecting WPEN FM to do some success, but the numbers tell the facts.
 
The real focus needs to be on how 97.5 is billing now and the actual profit they have now with the sports talk format. Low ratings in this format still brings in good billing in most cases so I bet sports are going to stay unless they can find a format that will put more on the bottom line. Other formats would get more listeners but they probably wont make the money like this format can.
 
Wait...it's about profitability? ;)

No, no, it's about meaningless 12+ numbers, and demos don't matter. That's why selling to a big group no one wants to reach is somehow magically better than a small group that some advertisers will pay top dollar for. At least according to this board. :)
 
WOGL already targets the over 40 crowd as it is now. If you graduated from high school in 1974, for example, you are 54. Someone who graduated in 1964 is 64. You get my point. The 50s are dead as far as attracting a sellable demo. Someone who is 40 today graduated in 1988.

The 60s are pretty much dead also with the exception of some songs that have crossed generations.

It just amazes me that people have a hard time understanding this.
 
When PEN switched to Standards years back, weren't they targeting the over 50 crowd way back when.... these people are probably in their 70's now...but they had good ratings and stuck with the format...so what I am saying is why not have a format for the 40 plus crowd...50's and 60's Classic Oldies..I am 60 now and would remember these tunes...even though people my age were part of the British Invasion we still remember the 50's tunes due to WIBG playing these oldies in the 60's. I also know some young people in their 20's and 30's who enjoy the 50's and 60's, how can someone put an age on the audiance of a Classic Oldies station, many of these listeners would be advertiser friendly and alot younger than the suits think....
 
Re: Some form of oldies for 97.5. Let's do the math:

Someone who turns 40 this year was born in 1970. They became a teenager in 1983 and graduated from high school in 1988. For them, oldies would be music from the 1980s and some 90s (Ben 95.7).

Someone who turns 50 this year was born in 1960. They became a teenager in 1973, graduated from high school in 1978. Their oldies are from the 1970s with some 80s (WOGL).

You see where I'm going: 60 years olds turned 13 in 1963 and graduated from high school in 1968. We're still not into a group that would primarily enjoy music from the 1950s and early 60s. They probably like what WOGL is playing.

An FM in a large market these days where many of the ad buys are made by agencies looking at 25-54 numbers will most likely not play music older than 1964, and is more likely to be playing slightly more 70s than 60s music.

One option: Move sports to 97.5 only and put a late 50s and 60s oldies station on WPEN. I know, they tried this a few years ago. But, perhaps if they kept it really inexpensive: only two full-time jocks, morning and afternoon drive, maybe one or two part-timers for a few hours on the weekends.
 
One option: Move sports to 97.5 only and put a late 50s and 60s oldies station on WPEN. I know, they tried this a few years ago. But, perhaps if they kept it really inexpensive: only two full-time jocks, morning and afternoon drive, maybe one or two part-timers for a few hours on the weekends.


Makes sense on WPEN, but how about from 1955 to 1969 in the same fashion as WMID...
 
I think the format that is closest to what people are talking about is on WHAT right now. A mix of oldies and artists from the seventies with standards mixed in. AS for YSP, they lost it when they panicked after Stern left. Too many changes in too short a time. The listeners that were loyal switched to something else and are staying away. If it wasn't for the Eagles that station would be spanish by now.
 
It's all well and good what WPEN did two decades ago, but (a) it's 2010 now, and realities are different, and (b) it stopped working in the first place (the infomercials/brokered programming was a result of, not cause of, the revenue problem). Targeting the equivalent audience now isn't a logical business plan.
 
Those that think some sort of music format should go on 97.5 are kidding themselves. Won't cut it business-wise in 2010. That ship has long ago sailed away. Simply no reason for those that like different niche music, they can program it to themselves without the need of a terrestrial radio station playing commercials and having jocks open their mouth to interrupt the music flow. It makes for talk on these discussion forums, it's simply not reality today. That being said, Greater Media is a cheap company, a lot of talk, little action when it comes to opening up the corporate wallet, and the company is only investing in its afternoon drive host on The Fanatic. The rest of the on-air staff is basically making peanuts, they threw a little more dough out to the bigger names in the two midday slots, but not the smaller names, and it shows, the station DOES NOT sound "big." The sales staff is having some success selling afternoon drive, but that's about it. You get what you pay for and the numbers tell it all for Greater Media on that frequency. They'll continue for a little while longer, but eventually business reality will kick in. There needs to be a mixture of COMPELLING local talk show hosts who are engaging, hip to a younger audience while knowledgeable enough not to offend the older end of the demo, flat out entertaining, online, social media and mobile conscious, mixed in with game coverage of the teams folks truly care about. Without those elements...forget about it.
 
radiophiler said:
Someone who turns 40 this year was born in 1970. They became a teenager in 1983 and graduated from high school in 1988. For them, oldies would be music from the 1980s and some 90s (Ben 95.7).

Someone who was a teenager in the early 80s grew up with music on FM radio (think Hot Hits). The era of anyone making money with music on AM is done.

Greater Media has already said they want to make a run at the play-by-play contracts when they come up -- sports on 97.5 will be around until at least then.
 
you think cbs is going to sell those sports contracts to a static filled 97.5 ?

they will just move WIP to 94.1 to counter attack
 
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