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97.7C3 Cross City, FL
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I agree, why another station? All this short-spacing? Do we really need all these stations all over the FM dial? What purpose are they really serving, the community, or the owners looking for a write off?
Just wasted a few minutes drawing some circles on a map. The 97.7 C3 allocation for that particular set of coordinates is out in a stand of trees north of Cross City about 9.5 miles from the WZCC tower, no existing tower or other communications facilities nearby. Now lets look at what is nearby. WSKY 97.3 is a C2 on the second adjacent over in Micanopy. WQHL 98.1 is another C2 on the other second adjacent up in Live Oak. Taking the hypothetical for a C3 from their coordinates, I see a LOT of overlap. Moving south to the WZCC tower for example might help the Live Oak situation but would be worse for Micanopy. IF someone were hoping for a rimshot to Gainesville from this site, all I can say is good luck. A class A might be shoe horned in there as has been discused before.
Which is why I dont think we will ever see this thing built, at least during my lifetime. Anyone with access to Auction 90 records who could see if this is one of those allocations that failed to draw any bids or did but was never awarded for some reason?? This has turkey written all over it.
Which is why I dont think we will ever see this thing built, at least during my lifetime. Anyone with access to Auction 90 records who could see if this is one of those allocations that failed to draw any bids or did but was never awarded for some reason?? This has turkey written all over it.
The new 97.7 C3 meets all spacing requirements from the current authorized site restricted location North of Cross City. The PRM to amend the FM Table of Allotments was approved sometime ago, and therefore 97.7 C3 is now on the FM Table to reflect Channels 97.7 C3, 106.9 C1 as Cross City's commercial FM allotments. This is going to be a Cross City ONLY FM station as it cannot rimshot Gainesville due to WSKY, nor can it move any closer to Chiefland due to first adjacent WXTB 97.9 C Clearwater. It can, however, downgrade to a class A which will avoid any short-spacing conflicts should the tower move into town. To me, this would be the most logical and cost effective business decision considering it will cost less to build it as a class A, while there is no real benefit having it as a C3.
To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe this one was ever part of any previous auctions, so this will be Round One for 97.7 C3.
To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe this one was ever part of any previous auctions, so this will be Round One for 97.7 C3.
To save everyone some time drawing circles on a map, I've run a 73.207 spacing study as both a C3 and as an A and posted them online at:
http://www.broadcastboxes.com/images/Cross_City_977.zip
It is worth noting that WXTB is a 73.215 directional, so employing 73.215 rules for Cross City may allow building the facility as a non-directional C3 quite a bit closer to Cross City than the allocation point, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
http://www.broadcastboxes.com/images/Cross_City_977.zip
It is worth noting that WXTB is a 73.215 directional, so employing 73.215 rules for Cross City may allow building the facility as a non-directional C3 quite a bit closer to Cross City than the allocation point, but that is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Kyle - Thanks for the maps. This all looks very interesting as there is little, but some, "wiggle" room for the tower. I'm sure the petitioner has something in mind that the rest of us are unaware regarding what will be done with 97.7. It will be interesting to see exactly what is ultimately decided.
jmtillery said:
The petitioner, Paul Christenson, is a good guy in my book. He's currenty an attorney and an electrical engineer. Before going to law school, he was the chief engineer for WIVY (Y103) in Jacksonville for many years. Though I don't know him very well, I met him several times in the 1980s and 90s and he impressed me as a very intelligent and upstanding fellow. For a while he was the director of engineering for the group that included WIVY, WXXL and several others. Everyone that I know who worked with Paul seemed to like him. My guess is that he's got a little group together to acquire and run the station. Perhaps he just wants to retire and play small town radio....
Kmagrill said:
I'm sure you are correct on what Paul Christiansen may have in mind for the new station. Like many of us who have spent years working for someone else, he may just want to retire and own a small market radio station to supplement his retirement income while remaining in the business.
wrle said:
Tony - I remember when you petitioned both channels around the same time I had petitioned for a new FM at Cedar Key back in 1998. The Otter Creek 95.9 A was assigned as an NCE-FM, and a construction permit was recently issued for that channel. I'm not sure what happened with your original Petition for PRM on your original 97.7 petition at Cross City, but for whatever reason it was not assigned at that time and was later assigned through Mr. Christiansen's more recent petitioin. I think you had an excellent idea in your original plan to simulcast 95.9 and 97.7 covering Cross City and Chiefland.
Magrill, thanks for the maps... but I guess I'm a little dumb when it comes to this. How does one read the map? It doesn't appear to have the traditional circles like seen on FCC.gov and radio-locator.
You are seeing the far reaches of everybody else's neat little circles. If all the other circles overlap and cover the territory you are interested in, you can't put a radio station there because of the interference standards. In the one that is "A" it shows that the circles representing the other stations DO NOT cover Cross City, thus a Class A could be built that would be just outside all the protected area represented by the edges of all those circles.
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Yep, that's pretty close to the way it is. Those maps are what we commonly call an ALS (area-to-Locate) study. Each of the rings around other stations is a boundary that the proposed facility cannot cross without the added expense of going to a directional antenna. The rings change size depending upon the class of the proposed facility, so, the rings take up more area for a Class C3 proposal than they do for a Class A, thus the corresponding area to locate is smaller for the C3 than it is for the A. Basically, the area that is not shaded is where a facility could be located.
Oh, ok.. I get it... but the signal of the new station obviously could still overlap, right?
If I read the map correctly, the blank spaces is where the stick could go... then a C3 on 97.7 could theoretically go just north of Bell? (since it's not shaded, but it's right on the edge)
ThatGuyOnTheRadio said:
The spacing rings take into account the distances to protected contours and the distances to interfering contours. The spacing rings are a convenient way to establish if the application needs to be treated under directional rules, or not. In other words, the spacing rings do not represent the actual protected signal of a station. Instead, they are sum of the radius of protected contour plus the radius of interfering contour.
I wonder what a Full C3 just north of Bell could throw into Alachua County... hmmm...
Thanks for all the insight guys, I appreciate it!
Thanks for all the insight guys, I appreciate it!
ThatGuyOnTheRadio said:
Yes, but not over Gainesville. If Newberry is a target, you could get a pretty good secondary signal over it. I don't think I'd want to license it to Bell, though. Once you have become the only station licensed to a community, you can never move again later if something changes. If you wanted to move closer to Gainesville than you could as a Cross City station, you could move the license to something like Trenton which already has another station assigned to the town and is within the city-grade contour.
A coverage map from the closest possible (non-directional) approach to Gainesville is at:
http://www.broadcastboxes.com/images/97.7C3_Possible_Trenton_Allocation.pdf
Before anyone asks, there's not much point in trying to get into Gainesville by going directional because this allocation has to protect WSKY, which happens to be in the same general direction, so the closer you approach, the lower the power gets in that azimuth.
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