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98.1 The Hairball (Sunday Night Show)-Comments

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Sandscott

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Let me begin by stating that I love the 80's hard rock and hair bands. I never stopped listening to that type of music along with classic rock, so this is by no means a slam against any of that. In fact, I feel the 80's for the most part has been ignored by radio (sure you hear a little Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, GNR, and Crue but that is about it) and there are still some of us out there who are fans of that genre. In fact, I always listen to Dee Snider's House of Hair on Dyersburg rock station, 100.1 on Saturday Nights. The HoH has been a successful national syndicated show for over a decade (in fact it briefly was carried on 103 in Memphis). There are some other good ones out there such as Eddie Trunk, The Tour Bus, etc.

Anyway, recently 98.1 started its own local show playing the hair bands on Sunday Nights at 10. I was excited, since I love this type of music and I know several others who did as well. Well after about a month, I have already had it and here is why I am bringing this up as a topic. Once again it speaks volumes about what radio has become. That show comes across as a bad public access show. Tom Roadrage Nolley seems like a nice guy and I appreciate what he is trying to do, but there seems to be no preparation for the show. In the four or five weeks it has been on, he has played the exact same bands EVERY week. It is like the station owns ten hair band albums and those are the only ones they are going to play. Let me give you an example, one time he played something off an album by Don Dokken, lead singer of Dokken. Don Dokken put up one solo album called Up From the Ashes. It is a pretty good record and the first time it was played. I thought "cool, this is sort of an obscure album" rare for 98.1 to show any variety in their playlist. I thought that was great, well they have played something off that same album EVERY show, which speaks volumes about how the station is run. It was like they got their hands on a not very well known album, so they are going to run it into the game along with the very predicatable Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, etc. songs. How about since it is a novelty show switching up the bands on the show. How about throwing in something by I don't know Motorhead one week, Savatage one week, etc. In other words, act like you put some time in the show, that you own more than the same 50 songs, and stop playing some much by the bands classic rock plays all the time anyway. We don't need to hear Bon Jovi and Def Leppard, they get played all the time anyway. Make the show worthwhile or just carry one of the syndicated playlist.

One or two obscure bands every show is very cool, and then mix the more familiar ones up, where is Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper etc?

I know this has gone way too long, but it is a metaphor for what radio has become. A few minutes before the show came on, I predicted what bands were going to be played and I nailed EVERY one of them because it is always the same bands every week. When even a novelty show is like that, what hope is their for Memphis radio. 98.1 has the most predictable playlist, I think I have ever seen and it's weird how they do it. I hear Billy Idol's "Jessie James" almost daily on the station STILL. Don't get me wrong, I love Billy Idol, but that song was not a hit at all, yet once it got in the playlist it stayed there. A newer song, yet not hit, but 98.1 will play it to death, but yet I never hear something like let's say "Highway Star" by Deep Purple or "School's Out" by Alice Cooper. It doesn't make sense.
 
Taking it back a generation:

"Play 'Stairway To Heaven'"

Another generation:

"Play 'Melancholy Baby'"

Or many generations back:

"Why don't they ever do any Gregorian Chants anymore?"
 
I have often wondered what a classic rock station would do if they were ordered to go 24 hours without playing Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd.
 
for the love of all that is holy sandscott...all you seem to do on this board is rant about how bad the max is and how you don't listen to it any more and now this manifesto. It also seems the more you post about how bad the max is the better their ratings get. Ask yourself a question: If the station is as bad as you endlessly claim it is, how is it their ratings continue to skyrocket? (see: insideradio.com, click on "Ratings" and select "Memphis".) Is it possible your opinions are held by no other than only you and a small group of your friends? Is it possible that YOU are the one who's out of touch? You have been railing on this radio station for what seems like two years. the truth is the max couldn't play enough deep tracks and obscure "music sandsott likes" to make you happy. NO radio station could. it just isn't possible.

If you dislike the radio station and terrestrial radio so much turn it off for good, turn on your satellite radio and go rock out to the alice cooper channel.
 
Sandscott said:
I have often wondered what a classic rock station would do if they were ordered to go 24 hours without playing Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd.

They would just add more Van Halen, Boston, Bob Seger, Lynyrd Skynrd and George Thorogood.

Actually, I'd rather hear more Zep and Floyd than Skynrd, Seger or Thorogood. I hate any incarnation of "Turn The Page".
 
Why even ponder the question of "what a classic rock station would do if they were ordered to go 24 hours without playing Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd." It's like saying "what if a Country station was ordered to stop playing Garth Brooks and George Strait." It's their format, isn't it?
 
Thanks for being two letters short of class, pearlman. There are a ton of bands I like just for the record. The playlist is not entertaining for a station that claimed they were going to be a competitor to Rock 103 and within a few months weren't sure if they were 103 or 92.9 (back before they became a sports station). I do post about them a lot because there are no real rock stations in Memphis and rock music is what I like and with like a station that actually played some rock. I just think the station is capable of a lot more. By the way, saying 98.1 has big ratings is like calling bologna an exotic entree. Their ratings are not good, just compared to 103 it seems that way.

Funny, but I overhead a conversation just the other day among several people I did not know talking about 103 and 98.1 both (and also complaining about 92.9 changing formats) I do have satellite radio where I listen to classic rock, Hair Nation, the Boneyard, etc and it is nice to hear a ton of bands like Rush, UFO, Montrose, etc. You know stuff that a rock station should actually be playing.

I don't expect a lot of deep cuts, I just expect (Gasp) the occasional deep cut and a bigger variety of artists. Alice Cooper is definitely one they could play, but there are a ton of others. What about a few more tracks by KISS, Deep Purple, etc. You know pretty much classic rock staples that for some reason, we can't even get that on rock radio here. Ridiculous.
 
I wanted to respond to Karson too and I appreciate his response. Yes Led Zep, etc. is part of the format. I have no complaints with that, what I want is for radio to get back to where it is listenable. I have satellite radio, etc. It would be nice to have some local radio worth listening to as well. I do pick on 98.1 a lot, but it is because it can be so much more. I don't expect to like every song, etc. but my problem stems with the "safeness" of that particular station and radio in Memphis. Instead of playing Led Zep (just using them for example) five or six times a day, how about playing them two or three times, and then throwing in something like Pat Travers "Snortin Whiskey" or maybe something by April Wine or Uriah Heep. In other words, you are still playing the standards but also expanding your playlist. You can't tell me that if you played "Rainbow in the Dark" instead of "Money" once during a day or every few days that it would run listeners off, I contend many more people would listen if there was a little more time spent on playlist. If you play ten songs an hour, why can't you play eight standards and then throw in a surprise or two?

I will give you another example back when I listened regularly. One time they played Scorpions "Rock You Like a Hurricane" between 3 and 4 o'clock. Well for the next ten or twelve days, that same song was played at roughly the same time. I love the Scorps and like the song but give me a break, if you are going to play the Scorps at the same time would playing "Rhythm of Love or The Zoo" really hurt every once and awhile. I am not asking for really obscure bands or songs but stuff people probably know. Instead of playing "Back in Black" would people be upset if you played "The Jack" instead? Those are the things I am talking about.

It is what we have allowed radio to become. I WANT to like 98.1, I really do but they don't make it very easy. There was a time when you could sit back and listen to radio for a couple of hours and truly rock out.
 
oh this is going to be fun Sandcott...

The playlist is not entertaining for a station that claimed they were going to be a competitor to Rock 103 and within a few months weren't sure if they were 103 or 92.9

the playlist is not entertaining..to you. a huge number of radio listeners in Memphis apparently disagree with you. and it's a bad radio station just because they don't fit a cookie cutter format label? Really? The label is irrelevant. Success is not.

there are no real rock stations in Memphis and rock music is what I like and with like a station that actually played some rock.

Real rock station? Really? Just what does that mean? I know I know...deep purple, UFO, Montrose and alice cooper...right? What is it with you and old music? Are you old too?

Rush, UFO, Montrose, etc. You know stuff that a rock station should actually be playing.

SHOULD BE PLAYING? SAYS WHO? YOU? Those are classic rock bands. Since when has Max claimed to be a classic rock station? Pay attention. When I turn on the Max I hear Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam and Nirvana with Led Zeppelin and Van Halen. So you are saying those bands are not "rock" I suppose. So they don't fall into a format descriptor you are comfortable with. So what? They have a huge fan base and are going to wipe the floor with WEGR come this Friday.

You simply seem to be upset that the station evolved into something successful rather than customized programming that suits YOU.

Besides, if Max WERE playing those bands you'd be unhappy with the selection and they'd be digging their own grave. Admit it.

KISS, Deep Purple, etc. You know pretty much classic rock staples that for some reason, we can't even get that on rock radio here. Ridiculous.

AGAIN Max is not a classic rock station. Memphis has a classic rock station. it's called WEGR. Shouldn't you be whining about that radio station not playing classic rock artists? Geeesh get a clue lady.

By the way, saying 98.1 has big ratings is like calling bologna an exotic entree. Their ratings are not good, just compared to 103 it seems that way.

Man...how many times exactly do you plan on being wrong today? Check the breakouts. Max is currently ranked 8th in Persons 25-54 in a market that's well over 50% urban. But you and your small group of friends wouldn't know that or how huge that is, would you? The max sux. We get it.

You are right about one thing: "..a station that claimed they were going to be a competitor to Rock 103.."

The Max is not a competitor to Rock 103. they own rock 103.
 
LOL-I don't think either side is going to agree with one another. Interestingly I see both sides of it and agree with both sides (so no attacks from sandscott or pearlman, please, lol).

The fact is this is a business and 98.1 is holding steady in a tough market. I don't know if finishing 8th with the relatively low amount of listeners radio now has is anything to write home about, but when you compare it to 103, it is doing what it needs to do. It kind of bothers me because 103 was a great station at one time. Pearlman is one hundred percent right, it is not a classic rock radiostation. However, to be fair, I am not exactly sure what it is supposed to be. It is not really a modern rock station, but not really classic rock station either. I do think their format kind of contradicts itself. I must admit I have often found it kind of odd when they play Nickelback, Foo Fighters, and then follow it with Van Halen. My kids, who don't care about the older bands, change the channel fast, while if there is too much new music, I change it, lol. Sandscott is obviously a classic rocker which is cool, that is my preference too, but 98.1 is not the station to get that.

I am glad the Hairball show is on. Sure they probably need to put a little more work into it, but remember it has only been on for a few weeks.

Since someone mentioned satellite radio, I want to comment on that as well. I primarily listen to satellite radio because 103 is horrible, and 98.1 is a little too modern for me most of the time. When I am in my car, I switch back and forth quite often between the two rock stations. If 103 cared a little bit more about its playlist, I would probably listen to that one more than 98.1 to be honest. Actuallly I tend to listen 92.3 out of Jackson more than the other two.

In other words, let's call it a truce. From a business standpoint 98.1 are doing a lot of things well and I guess that is the bottom line. From a listener standpoint, Sandscott nailed it. 98.1 and 103 both fail to entertain the majority of the time. Got to run, actually some UFO sounds really good right now, very underrated band, lol
 
Well... I still think most of those numbers come from the ever popular Drake & Zeke, along with the fact that rock listeners don't have a choice.

However, I do enjoy listening to Chris Jarman. he is a perfect fit for this market.
 
Well... I still think most of those numbers come from the ever popular Drake & Zeke

Wrong. PM Drive and mid days score similar to or above the station's rank with weekends not far behind. (this is not a new phenomena)

The profile of Max ratings success is no different from most successful radio brands: big morning show and follow thru with capitalization on morning drive cume throughout mids and pm drive.

and since you brought it up and it is a matter of recurring discussion on this board, D&Z are currently 3rd P 25-54. Massive.

along with the fact that rock listeners don't have a choice.

Huh? did WEGR just flip today? what do you mean they have no choice? Of course they have choices as pointed out here on this board in the form of WEGR, sat rad, Ipods and other fragmentational options.

Or are you implying the max rock product is something listeners cannot get it anywhere else in memphis?

Hmmmmmmmm.....
 
that's a big 10-4 warningtrack. That means I'm enjoying the shee-ite out of this right now.
 
Wrong. PM Drive and mid days score similar to or above the station's rank with weekends not far behind. (this is not a new phenomena)

I would like to see those numbers. Do you have them?



Huh? did WEGR just flip today? what do you mean they have no choice? Of course they have choices as pointed out here on this board in the form of WEGR, sat rad, Ipods and other fragmentational options.

Or are you implying the max rock product is something listeners cannot get it anywhere else in memphis?


I was really implying current rock which according to yes.com, they only have two. While looking at other Mainstream Rock stations (WEBN, KISW, KRXQ) which play the same music but are much more in depth.

I listen to the Max and all I'm saying is that it could be much more than it already is.
 
I would like to see those numbers.

I'm sure you would.

Do you have them?

of course I do.

However this board will not allow (to my knowldedge) them to be posted as they are the property of arbitron, and I probably wouldn't post them here even if I could.

But trust me, it would be extrememly difficult to open up a 1.5 share lead 12+ over EGR (in a market with only 5.5 shares of rock audience currently) and score a top 10 finish in a heavily urban market unless many if not all dayparts are contributing. And yes I'm well aware the fall book arrives tomorrow and PPM arrives in Q4 and becoming currency in 1/11. Confidence is high on both scores.
 
and incidentally...you are talking about rock stations in markets like sacramento, cincinatti and seattle (not to mention EBN has been at this for many years) markets with as little as 12% urban population and sac has 16% hispanic population. not to split hairs but I can recruit rock listeners across hispanic ethinic lines, but not urban. If you think an active rock station would do well in this market...well...just ask anyone who used to work at 93X. If max went down that road (or the KRXQ road)...it'd be dead. fast. 93X proved it.
 
LOL-Play nice children! Once again I see both sides. Pearlman is right in terms of the ratings and I suppose from a business sense you can't argue with success. That being said, I agree with some others as well. I do listen to 98.1 when I am in my car because I don't have satellite in my vehicle (I do at home but not in my ride). I listen because there isn't much else out there on local radio. That being said, I can't take 98.1 for any extended period of time. It is sort of like voting for the lesser of two evils. I listen to the lesser of two evils, lol.

Speaking of old music, here is something I don't get. Why does Ozzy Osbourne (just using him for example) get a pass? Ozzy is up there in the years and frankly has not made a good album since No More Tears (actually the last one of his I liked was Diary of a Madman). Most people will tell you his glory years passed long ago and his most memorable songs are early in his solo career and with Black Sabbath, yet he is "modern" but some of the other artists that I think Sandscott mentioned or someone like let's say Ted Nugent who still records and is a decent concert draw is "old music" but Ozzy is not? I never quite got that.

If the argument is Ozzy is modern because radio still plays some of his new stuff, then the answer is a silly one. If radio had continued to play new stuff by Nugent or whoever, they may have had some more recent hits as well.
 
Maybe the difference here is the audience's expectations. 98 may have good ratings, but is it really good radio? It may be the best out there on Sunday...but it that saying much? Would an audience raised on the “good radio” of the 70s and 80s version of Rock 103 like 98? Does today’s listener accept mediocrity because they haven’t heard better?

Britney Spears sold ton of records and made millions...would you call her a good musician / singer or whatever?

Is talent defined by success?
 
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