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Sandscott
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My point exactly. Thank you Radiosaur.
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thewarningtrack
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radiosaur said:Maybe the difference here is the audience's expectations. 98 may have good ratings, but is it really good radio? It may be the best out there on Sunday...but it that saying much? Would an audience raised on the “good radio” of the 70s and 80s version of Rock 103 like 98? Does today’s listener accept mediocrity because they haven’t heard better?
Britney Spears sold ton of records and made millions...would you call her a good musician / singer or whatever?
Is talent defined by success?
Are these rhetorical questions? If not you're as blind as everyone else in this city. Shame.
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pearlman63
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And there it is. I can hear Barbara Streisand’s “Memories” in the background already.
Do you really believe that Max could achieve the fan base size it has without votes from those who used to listen to Rock 103 when it was allegedly “good”? (Those “raised on the “good radio” of the 70s and 80s version of Rock 103” as you put it?) According to the fall book those people are voting for Max. Or maybe you think the max is just fooling everybody? Is that it? If so boy, they’ve pulled a doosey over the heads of around six figures in weekly cume.
And since you brought it up their fall book was another record setter…huge numbers never seen on that signal across all dayparts, with Drake and Zeke finishing #1 Persons 25-54, defeating even Steve Harvey.
And your Spears comment proves what I have suspected all along: there are a number of people who post here who simply, flat out and blatantly resent the Max success because it does not “live up” to their definition of how it should have gotten there.
Don’t like it? Tough.
I cannot help but see the pattern in some posts on this board. If the Max just turned the keys over to so many who post here, the station would be so much better…and by better I mean so much more like so many radio stations in this market and possibly across the country that have one thing else in common: THEY ARE ALL OUT OF BUSINESS. GONE. Is that what you want? Your definition of better always means the max should be more like radio stations that didn’t make it. Sure, I’ve seen successful radio stations blown up but, not many. Sure clear channel has dismantled so many and actually aided in Max’ success, but you don’t get to where the Max is just by people handing it to you.
Admit it: there are those here who would rather see a radio station programmed to their tastes and recollections that would fail so they could fondly reminisce about how great it was, all the while trying to remember what happened to so and so who used to do mid days, and who’s its who used to do afternoons and what’s her name who was on nights…because they are all out of work.
Do you really think the former staff at 93X, if they had it to do all over again, wouldn’t support a tweak in the station’s presentation in order to increase the fan base and keep their jobs? Really? Do you honestly believe many out of work staffers would not trade a different approach to have their job back? Sure there are some who’ve moved on and out of radio and are very happy at what they are doing now but, what is it with you and engineering in failure? Is it the drama of dismissals and unemployment that you crave? Will you not be happy until the max is customized to your liking and then flipped to Spanish within a year?
The way you people seem to want to mess with a winning product with a huge fan base and successful brand makes me think you are all perfect for a position at the corporate level.
and to warningtrack: thanks. They're not all bad...but you must choose wisely here.
Do you really believe that Max could achieve the fan base size it has without votes from those who used to listen to Rock 103 when it was allegedly “good”? (Those “raised on the “good radio” of the 70s and 80s version of Rock 103” as you put it?) According to the fall book those people are voting for Max. Or maybe you think the max is just fooling everybody? Is that it? If so boy, they’ve pulled a doosey over the heads of around six figures in weekly cume.
And since you brought it up their fall book was another record setter…huge numbers never seen on that signal across all dayparts, with Drake and Zeke finishing #1 Persons 25-54, defeating even Steve Harvey.
And your Spears comment proves what I have suspected all along: there are a number of people who post here who simply, flat out and blatantly resent the Max success because it does not “live up” to their definition of how it should have gotten there.
Don’t like it? Tough.
I cannot help but see the pattern in some posts on this board. If the Max just turned the keys over to so many who post here, the station would be so much better…and by better I mean so much more like so many radio stations in this market and possibly across the country that have one thing else in common: THEY ARE ALL OUT OF BUSINESS. GONE. Is that what you want? Your definition of better always means the max should be more like radio stations that didn’t make it. Sure, I’ve seen successful radio stations blown up but, not many. Sure clear channel has dismantled so many and actually aided in Max’ success, but you don’t get to where the Max is just by people handing it to you.
Admit it: there are those here who would rather see a radio station programmed to their tastes and recollections that would fail so they could fondly reminisce about how great it was, all the while trying to remember what happened to so and so who used to do mid days, and who’s its who used to do afternoons and what’s her name who was on nights…because they are all out of work.
Do you really think the former staff at 93X, if they had it to do all over again, wouldn’t support a tweak in the station’s presentation in order to increase the fan base and keep their jobs? Really? Do you honestly believe many out of work staffers would not trade a different approach to have their job back? Sure there are some who’ve moved on and out of radio and are very happy at what they are doing now but, what is it with you and engineering in failure? Is it the drama of dismissals and unemployment that you crave? Will you not be happy until the max is customized to your liking and then flipped to Spanish within a year?
The way you people seem to want to mess with a winning product with a huge fan base and successful brand makes me think you are all perfect for a position at the corporate level.
and to warningtrack: thanks. They're not all bad...but you must choose wisely here.
Dude, you’re way too emotionally involved in this. So a few folks don’t like your station (and it’s obvious you’re an employee). Deal with it.
Me, I don’t really give a rat’s behind if Max fails or succeeds. If you feel you have a “successful” station, fine, great. Have at it. However, I don’t think much of your station’s air talent, or playlist - ratings notwithstanding. I don’t like it. That’s my opinion. If that bothers you, tough.
But the fact you get your panties in such a wad when your station is “dissed” tells me you have your own misgivings. Or if you feel good about being the best of a bad lot, that’s fine as well. In my opinion you are the epitome of the “striving for mediocrity” mentality. Look at what CC has done to 103…and they are only a half point behind you in the fall book. There may be an argument to be made you should be 4 or 5 points ahead if you’re that good.
I can’t make any sense of the rest of your post, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Me, I don’t really give a rat’s behind if Max fails or succeeds. If you feel you have a “successful” station, fine, great. Have at it. However, I don’t think much of your station’s air talent, or playlist - ratings notwithstanding. I don’t like it. That’s my opinion. If that bothers you, tough.
But the fact you get your panties in such a wad when your station is “dissed” tells me you have your own misgivings. Or if you feel good about being the best of a bad lot, that’s fine as well. In my opinion you are the epitome of the “striving for mediocrity” mentality. Look at what CC has done to 103…and they are only a half point behind you in the fall book. There may be an argument to be made you should be 4 or 5 points ahead if you’re that good.
I can’t make any sense of the rest of your post, so I’ll just leave it at that.
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pearlman63
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You don't like it...great for max. It would seem the more people on this board who don't like it the better it does so put your foot down and hate. and you make judgements based on 12+? Really? Once PPM deploys all emotional, recall and habitual voting for 103 will vanish. and you being an old radio pro...you know what that means of course.
You also seem to have great and current knowledge of a radio station you claim to dislike. I dare you to stop listening to it. You obviously can't.
I will deal with it...when I cash my next bonus check. About that I have no misgivings I can assure you.
Memories....light the corners of my mind....misty water colored memories...of the way we were....
sniff sniff...
You also seem to have great and current knowledge of a radio station you claim to dislike. I dare you to stop listening to it. You obviously can't.
I will deal with it...when I cash my next bonus check. About that I have no misgivings I can assure you.
Memories....light the corners of my mind....misty water colored memories...of the way we were....
sniff sniff...
Wow, you sure are a great representative for your station. You might want to remember management also looks at this board, and I can think of at least one Memphis radio programmer who pretty much killed his career by posting immature crap here…but hey, what do I know?
All I can say it better get that bonus in cash if it’s from Citadel…and spend some of it to learn how to act like a professional instead of a kid with responsibility but no maturity.
All I can say it better get that bonus in cash if it’s from Citadel…and spend some of it to learn how to act like a professional instead of a kid with responsibility but no maturity.
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thewarningtrack
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radiosaur said:Wow, you sure are a great representative for your station. You might want to remember management also looks at this board, and I can think of at least one Memphis radio programmer who pretty much killed his career by posting immature crap here…but hey, what do I know?
All I can say it better get that bonus in cash if it’s from Citadel…and spend some of it to learn how to act like a professional instead of a kid with responsibility but no maturity.
Who cares? Its a business and they harp on money and ratings. In fact if I was his boss i'd be thrilled he was defending his station, from the looks of it some of you need a reality check on what you think is "good radio". But hey WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
Sandscott said:My point exactly. Thank you Radiosaur.
You know, you started an interesting thread. Why do we that have been in or were in the business so along consider today’s radio average at best? It’s subjective, but I wonder if you put a Max up against a Rock 103 in its heyday, who would win? That’s hard to answer, because audiences are different, the times are different, and maybe even the standards. Now, put a Rock 103 with the caliber of talent and creativity they had in that era together again and modernize it? The Max might be a distant memory.
I also think 103 would be much better than it is if they had not dictated to Spencer from above. That’s conjecture on my part but I feel sure he wouldn’t have made some of the changes he did on his own.
I personally think it’s a question of audience expectations. I call it McDonald’s radio. Every one you go in is the same. You know what you are getting because they all spring from the same corporate office. It’s the same with radio, and you can certainly blame the corporations and bean counters for that.
Instead of getting the best talent and programming possible, it’s now get the cheapest talent and programming you can get away with and be mediocre enough to make money. I certainly think something has been lost. So is The Max good? From their perspective, I suppose it’s “good enough” if that’s all you want. The best of the collectively bad is good for something, I suppose.
I saw something the other day saying that a median morning show salary was something like $80K. Anyone know if that’s true? I remember Dees getting 100K back in the late 70’s.
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pearlman63
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and here we are...looking backwards as this board is famous for. the good old days. I remember when. blah blah..snore.
but since you want to engage in this exercise and I have considered the question you ask ("I wonder if you put a Max up against a Rock 103 in its heyday, who would win?") for over two years now, I'll humor you for the moment.
In this latest trip back to yesteryear scenario, are we under diary or the Meter? You see those of us fighting in the current measurement dynamic today (yes...TODAY) are aware there'd be likely two somewhat different outcomes. Here they are in no particular order.
Diary: Rock 103 wins but is eroded over time. It'd have taken longer than it has taken over the last 3 years, as the anglo population continues to flee the metro and the same individuals continue to incorrectly log double digit entries of TSL attributed to EGR and most urban signals. That's how EGR stays alive today. Bogus TSL. It was the same (no offense) for 93X. By the way max outcumes egr 4 out of the 5 last books.
PPM: Max wins even more quickly than it has taken over the last years. All recall and emotional voting...gone. All confusion benefiting the leader...gone. All habitual voting...gone. Reality rules immediately.
Short answer: You give max some marketing and reasearch dough to find the sweetspot, and Max will take that POS radio station apart all over again. With or without help from their own corporate handlers.
Don't get me wrong. I too would love to see the return to wide open radio of the past to a degree, but just because it was more appealing in retrospect doesn't automatically mean it was, in all cases, better.
Man I am board (sic) again...
but since you want to engage in this exercise and I have considered the question you ask ("I wonder if you put a Max up against a Rock 103 in its heyday, who would win?") for over two years now, I'll humor you for the moment.
In this latest trip back to yesteryear scenario, are we under diary or the Meter? You see those of us fighting in the current measurement dynamic today (yes...TODAY) are aware there'd be likely two somewhat different outcomes. Here they are in no particular order.
Diary: Rock 103 wins but is eroded over time. It'd have taken longer than it has taken over the last 3 years, as the anglo population continues to flee the metro and the same individuals continue to incorrectly log double digit entries of TSL attributed to EGR and most urban signals. That's how EGR stays alive today. Bogus TSL. It was the same (no offense) for 93X. By the way max outcumes egr 4 out of the 5 last books.
PPM: Max wins even more quickly than it has taken over the last years. All recall and emotional voting...gone. All confusion benefiting the leader...gone. All habitual voting...gone. Reality rules immediately.
Short answer: You give max some marketing and reasearch dough to find the sweetspot, and Max will take that POS radio station apart all over again. With or without help from their own corporate handlers.
Don't get me wrong. I too would love to see the return to wide open radio of the past to a degree, but just because it was more appealing in retrospect doesn't automatically mean it was, in all cases, better.
Man I am board (sic) again...
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thewarningtrack
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i listened to it last night........not what i thought it would be, kinda bland.
thewarningtrack said:i listened to it last night........not what i thought it would be, kinda bland.
Heh.
thewarningtrack said:i listened to it last night........not what i thought it would be, kinda bland.
Oh No!!!! You were critical of the Max!
Now the Pearlman is going to come to your house and eat your children!
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eggman961
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I've enjoyed reading this thread. At least now I know who all my callers on the weekend are who always request Montrose.
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radiosaur said:Ok, It’s obvious we aren’t going to get an answer to Max’s ratings troubles. Now, can anyone help RadeoEngineer program his VCR? I was supposed to go over there to watch the Matlock marathon last week but he couldn’t figure out how to record it.
It's OK. I ordered the entire series on DVD. The problem is it keeps getting rejected by my CD player.
RadeoEngineer said:radiosaur said:Ok, It’s obvious we aren’t going to get an answer to Max’s ratings troubles. Now, can anyone help RadeoEngineer program his VCR? I was supposed to go over there to watch the Matlock marathon last week but he couldn’t figure out how to record it.
It's OK. I ordered the entire series on DVD. The problem is it keeps getting rejected by my CD player.
No, no, no…If you’re going to play DVD’s in a CD player you have to flip them over before you put them in. Jeez, you just can’t get good engineering help these days.
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