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98.5 event turned ugly

This has been the huge problem with Hip-Hop and Rap music for years. This isn't the first incident of its kind, and it certainly won't be the last. They think all these Hip-Hop summits and events that they do will help curb the violence, but the lyrics and nature of the "music" ::) suggest otherwise. When folks like Sugarhill Gang and Kurtis Blow and other of these Rap Trendsetters burst onto the scene about 30 years ago, it WAS music, and it was positive. Somewhere the format went down a very ugly road, and now it is full of violence, drug abuse, female abuse, racism, and other very ugly aspects. Now granted, a few other formats have issues, but not like this. The record companies and radio stations perpetrate as well, because it goes back to the old saying, "Bad publicity is better than none at all." I question the 14 & 15 year old's parents for letting them go to these kind of events. I remember when I was a kid, my mother wouldn't let me listen to AC/DC's "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" album, because it had the song "Big Balls" on it. I can just imagine if I were a kid now and wanted to listen to this stuff. :eek:

As long as Radio and Record companies are benefiting from stuff like this, nothing is going to change. It's very sad.
 
somehting you would have never seen if it was a KSJL sponsered event, a vital and more positive urban source that would have not escelated into violence, but we all know what the Klear Kchannel Klan did with that station
 
I'm all about free speech and anti-censorship, but this hip hop crap needs to go. These artists, record companies, and everyone in between needs to take into consideration that perhaps their violent antics are a contributor, along with other things, to violence, especially the escelating violence. I will have to agree with snoman, hip hop was once a positive outlet for the urban community because it preached about the problems and the violence that was going on. Since 1993, however, hip hop has done nothing but glorify violence, degrading of women, the whole "get rich quick" scheme, and that material possessions are of the most importance. And we wonder why our daughters are getting knocked up at age 13, doing drugs and drinking. THe pop music of today, which is hip hop, glorifies these types of activities.

This is why I have derived this question:
Will there ever be another "MC Hammer" of hip hop today?
 
I DONT KNOW YOU CAN BLAME THE MUSIC YOU CAN BLAME THE STATION YOU CAN BLAME WHOEVER YOU WANT BUT IN GENERAL I JUST THINK KIDS IN GENERAL ARE DIFFERENT TODAY THAN THEY WERE IN MY DAY I USED TO BE IN RADIO I OWN A CLUB NOW I HAD A TEEN PARTY LAST NIGHT AND WE HAD PROBLEMS TOO THESE KIDS ARE BAD (NOT ALL OF THEM ) BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE I BLAME IT ON THE PARENTS THESE KIDS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS AND NO RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES. THEN I HAVE PARENTS WHO ACT JUST AS BAD AS THE KIDS. WHEN I WAS A KID I WAS TOO BUSY CHASING GIRLS NOW THE GIRLS ARE SO EASY GUYS DONT WANT THEM NO MORE THE JUST WANNA FIGHT. I SAY KIDS OF THIS GENERATION DONT DESERVE S##T SO IM GONNA GIVE THEM NOTHING.
 
You are pretty ignorant if you think Hip Hop will ever die. You are also ignorant to think that hip hop and rap is ONLY about violence and drugs. Get a clue.

Fact of the matter is that these were young teenagers. And we all know teenagers are idiots. Blame the idiotcy of these young kids rather than the music.

Oh and to answer your question the answer is no. There will NEVER be another MC Hammer of modern times. MC Hammer was a product of corp white america trying to cash in and comericalize hip hop. It just so happened he was a positive thinker/rapper. Once gangsta rap bursted on the scene, it was all over. But dont EVER categorize ALL hip hip as gangsta rap. You OBVIOUSLY cant tell the difference in the styles.

I didnt put down my opinion earlier when I started this thread but now I decided to. I dont think KBBT should be at fault on this one. At first I did. But after reading and seeing the news stories I cant help but blame those idiot kids.
 
MINDonDAradio247 said:
You are pretty ignorant if you think Hip Hop will ever die. You are also ignorant to think that hip hop and rap is ONLY about violence and drugs. Get a clue.

Fact of the matter is that these were young teenagers. And we all know teenagers are idiots. Blame the idiotcy of these young kids rather than the music.

Oh and to answer your question the answer is no. There will NEVER be another MC Hammer of modern times. MC Hammer was a product of corp white america trying to cash in and comericalize hip hop. It just so happened he was a positive thinker/rapper. Once gangsta rap bursted on the scene, it was all over. But dont EVER categorize ALL hip hip as gangsta rap. You OBVIOUSLY cant tell the difference in the styles.

I didnt put down my opinion earlier when I started this thread but now I decided to. I dont think KBBT should be at fault on this one. At first I did. But after reading and seeing the news stories I cant help but blame those idiot kids.
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I didn't say it was ONLY about violence and drugs... so read my full post. I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. There is a difference in styles, and I appreciate the ones that are still doing it on a positive tip... LL COOL J comes to mind. I like the Hip-Hop/Rap that does good by the community it serves. But these ganstas, radio, and record companies have to assume some of the responsibility, as well as their parents for the outrageous way these kids act. Kids are only going to do what they see and hear. If it looks cool, and they don't have someone around to tell them it's wrong, then they are going to go for it and I realize not all these kids have two parents or one parent, but they need someone in their life that is a positive role model that's going to teach them right from wrong. But also, look what happened to Biggie Smalls, he was as positive as positive can be, and he still had his life cut short, by this lifestyle. Also, the people making a positive difference in this community are being overshadowed by the violence and the drugs that go along with it. I don't want to rope it all together, but it's like anything else, if you're a good person and you're running in the same circles as the wrong crowd, you're going to get in trouble, when something happens. When you're unfamiliar with this format, and you turn on KBBT, and listen to some of the music, and you hear the songs about the drugs, violence, abuse, and other negative images, you're apt to form a negative opinion on the entire format. It's sad. But record companies, radio, and the artists themselves refuse to police themselves, and parents don't listen enough to what their kids are doing. So, there in itself lies the problem.
 
snoman said:
I didn't say it was ONLY about violence and drugs... so read my full post. I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. There is a difference in styles, and I appreciate the ones that are still doing it on a positive tip... LL COOL J comes to mind. I like the Hip-Hop/Rap that does good by the community it serves. But these ganstas, radio, and record companies have to assume some of the responsibility, as well as their parents for the outrageous way these kids act. Kids are only going to do what they see and hear. If it looks cool, and they don't have someone around to tell them it's wrong, then they are going to go for it and I realize not all these kids have two parents or one parent, but they need someone in their life that is a positive role model that's going to teach them right from wrong. But also, look what happened to Biggie Smalls, he was as positive as positive can be, and he still had his life cut short, by this lifestyle. Also, the people making a positive difference in this community are being overshadowed by the violence and the drugs that go along with it. I don't want to rope it all together, but it's like anything else, if you're a good person and you're running in the same circles as the wrong crowd, you're going to get in trouble, when something happens. When you're unfamiliar with this format, and you turn on KBBT, and listen to some of the music, and you hear the songs about the drugs, violence, abuse, and other negative images, you're apt to form a negative opinion on the entire format. It's sad. But record companies, radio, and the artists themselves refuse to police themselves, and parents don't listen enough to what their kids are doing. So, there in itself lies the problem.
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Biggie Smallz was positive??? When was smokin weed and have relations with women considered positive? Another thing, you cant blame the parents. I am sick of people who say that sort of thing. Parents cannot be by their childs side 24/7 to hold their hands. You cant blame the radio station and its format. It you attack CHR ryh format as a whole then you might as well attack top 40 radio entirely. If you havent noticed, hip hop has merged with pop music. Look at the Billboard top 100, ITS MOSTLY HIP HOP. Another thing, LL Cool J sings about SLEEPING WITH WOMEN!!!!! Will Smith is NOT a rapper, and Coolio sucks.
 
dallasboyz said:
Dude. the same thing is happening in Rock music as rap.

however, you are a racist. thats why you only the negative in rap.
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if you're calling me a racist, you are way off base. I've been DJ'ing Urban/Urban AC radio since 1988. You can check out my MySpace page and talk to any of my friends on it... http://www.myspace.com/snomansafterhours.

If you read my 1st post on the subject, I did say there were problems in other formats, too. I have a lot of issues with Heavy Metal, Country, and LOTS with mainstream CHR, but this post was talking about the event with KBBT, and Hip-Hop.

Some people are on here just looking for an argument. I'm on here to voice an opinion. If you disagree with it, fine. But to call me a "racist", when you don't even know me or anything about me, is totally out of line.

And, MINDonDAradio247, who are the "positive" Rappers you are talking about, since you didn't agree with the names I threw out?
 
None that I know of. Maybe Will Smith but he should be ashamed of himself if he makes a new record. Maybe the best bet would be Christian rap, but we all know how much that sucks.

I never said anything bout you being racist, so I dont know whats up with that. I was just giving you a good argument.
 
MINDonDAradio247 said:
I never said anything bout you being racist, so I dont know whats up with that. I was just giving you a good argument.
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that was geared at dallasboyz, not you.
 
I have to chime in on this. I can name a couple of positive rap groups that you may not have heard of. Only because these are faith based rap groups (christian rap) but most have toured with other well known rap groups. I have a Christian Hip Hop Show that is on the air every Saturday night on KDRY 1100 AM AT 10:30 pm -12:00am. We also stream, the name of the show is ALL SAINTS RADIO. I'V had this show on the air going on a year. The show has several christian rap and r&b groups here are a few Grits, kj52, Cross Movement, DJ Maj, LeCrea, Mars I"ll, Gospel Gangstaz, Carriers Of The Cross, tonex, mary mary, kirk franklin and many more. These groups are good if your open minded. There names might be a little strange but their raps and singing are usually off the hook. I did an interview with Grits last Saturday and they said that the industry will not play their music if they present it as christian rap they will automatically blow it off but if they came back and said here is a rap cd, then they will listen and like it. So, there is positve rap but in reality it is underground as was rap when it started. Kids today as well parents are different. To many things have been taken away from the parent in order to disipline their child. I blame the parents/guardians that took it to far and now everyone suffers. The radio/music biz is all about money. It's even more noticeable now because of the music that is out. Not just rap but all forms of music and it will continue because it brings in money. So in my opinion society is to blame, Always remember change is good if it benefits you. Society! Peace!
 
Im from outside of the market, but I gotta chime in on this.....

The mainstream hip-hop "industry" is having the same identity issues rock had around 25 years ago when it came to both the quality of product and the fans that listen to it. What started out a music format of freestyle story telling has turned into a overbloated, out of touch product that has become a parody of itsself. If you look at the jokers in this business today such as 50 cent, the game or diddy, who made his first millions on a dead mans beats, its all either about taking a bullet in the chest or living the overbloated highlife of pimped rides, kristal and "bling". Personally, I quit listening to the mainstream junk around five years ago and I havent seen any real improvment since. Maybe its about time the idiots who showed up at this event change their diet of junk stupidity and try listening to something different, something that has history, like the blues.
 
"Oh and to answer your question the answer is no. There will NEVER be another MC Hammer of modern times. MC Hammer was a product of corp white america trying to cash in and comericalize hip hop. It just so happened he was a positive thinker/rapper. Once gangsta rap bursted on the scene, it was all over. But dont EVER categorize ALL hip hip as gangsta rap. You OBVIOUSLY cant tell the difference in the styles. "

I only used MC Hammer as an example of a POSITIVE rap artist. Who cares if he was a "product of corp white america" (which he wasn't). His lyrical content had no references of promoting drug use, violence, rape, defiance. Nobody was fighting or shooting each other to "u can't touch this." Yeah, I am pretty well aware that his music is MUCH DIFFERENT from hip hop of today, i can tell the difference. I'm not saying I hate hip hop, I'm more into the classics and underground east coast artists who dont say "this is why I'm hot" 50 thousand times in their song.
 
and another note....let me clear this up that I also blame the parents for not monitoring their children's listening habits. I see way too many parents being way too lenient with their children, allowing them to listen to whatever they want, probably because those parents are babies themselves and are retailating against their own parents who did not put up with that crap mainly because their parents did not want their kids to grow up to be idiots. That's love and great parental skills. However, since a lot of parents out there are, indeed, idiots, we now must place responsibility to the messengers of the youth themselves, hip hop, rock, whatever else the kids listen to these days.
 
sdh483 said:
and another note....let me clear this up that I also blame the parents for not monitoring their children's listening habits. I see way too many parents being way too lenient with their children, allowing them to listen to whatever they want, probably because those parents are babies themselves and are retailating against their own parents who did not put up with that crap mainly because their parents did not want their kids to grow up to be idiots. That's love and great parental skills. However, since a lot of parents out there are, indeed, idiots, we now must place responsibility to the messengers of the youth themselves, hip hop, rock, whatever else the kids listen to these days.
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Ya know this is an age old problem. Back when you old guys were young I am sure your parents were doing the same thing. Weather it was Elvis, The Beatles, The Doors, or whomever. The day you start to blame the music is the day you get old. My opinion. Its just music. Life is way harder than having to worry and complain about musicial content.
 
I agree. Music is just music no matter what the content is.
 
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