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A better signal for the Bone?
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CW
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jd said:
Cant happen...too many adj channels to protect..where they are, they will stay....unless they buy and take dark the adj channel stations...and I doubt Cumulus will do that.
CW said:
The Bone is a "contour protection" station and would remain that way if they were able to get approval for the changes. One of the adjacent channel stations is being moved further out of the way, so there is no need to take it dark. Look at this as part of a well-researched plan to pull off a "minor" upgrade, one that's been in the works for years.
What station is moving further away? Hot 93.3 Austin, 93.1 in Tyler or Sherman? 93.1 in Stephenville? 93.5 in Greenville? Any others?
If 93.3 were to go to cedar hill and power up to say 100,000 watts, I highly doubt they would stay Classic Rock or Rock. I would take a guess that they would go in a Top 40 direction...maybe Hot AC...Smooth Jazz. Maybe Classic Country...just name it "King" and some would never know the difference with the OK city station?
If 93.3 were to go to cedar hill and power up to say 100,000 watts, I highly doubt they would stay Classic Rock or Rock. I would take a guess that they would go in a Top 40 direction...maybe Hot AC...Smooth Jazz. Maybe Classic Country...just name it "King" and some would never know the difference with the OK city station?
redbullfan said:
KIKT 93.5 Greenville is moving to Cooper. That's just one piece of the puzzle, but something else is going on. Although taking the other lesser stations (93.1 Bells, 93.1 Stephenville) "dark" will not happen, it is possible that they could be shifted enough to allow an upgrade for the Bone. I'd emphasize that we're talking about either a substantial height increase possibly coupled with a minor power increase from their present 50kW, but certainly not a full 100,000 watts from Cedar Hill.
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zach_morton
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Here's an interesting point to ponder...
For several years, stations in the outlying markets of DFW have been bouncing from frequency to frequency to make room for some DFW station to upgrade or move. Haven't the owners of these smaller stations figured out that doing that is damaging to their listener base? Yeah I know...they are paid well to move, reimage, etc...but at the same time, it still takes it's toll. I know that KWFS in Wichita Falls moved from 103.3 to 102.3, and that KICM in Ardmore/Healdton has moved at least twice in 10 years.
Anyone have comments about that? I'm just curious.
For several years, stations in the outlying markets of DFW have been bouncing from frequency to frequency to make room for some DFW station to upgrade or move. Haven't the owners of these smaller stations figured out that doing that is damaging to their listener base? Yeah I know...they are paid well to move, reimage, etc...but at the same time, it still takes it's toll. I know that KWFS in Wichita Falls moved from 103.3 to 102.3, and that KICM in Ardmore/Healdton has moved at least twice in 10 years.
Anyone have comments about that? I'm just curious.
zach_morton said:
Wichita Falls also lost two of their three AM stations in recent years, as did Sherman-Denison, which has also seen their FM lineup shaken up beyond recognition. Down south, the move-ins of several FM's from Beaumont-Port Arthur to Houston started way back in the '80's. Is it right? No, I'd have to agree with you. The outlying markets in Texas and around the country have suffered considerably as a result.
At the end of the day, it truly is all about money.
I can vouch for one particular owner who was quite happy and content with their small market station that served a local audience and had no intentions of moving the station to the larger market or attempting to do anything other than serve a local community. When asked about selling they declined. When subsequent requests for selling were made, the question was "what would it take?". Answering with what was thought a ridiculous figure and expecting this to make the buyer go away for good and leave them alone, they were surprised by the comeback of "what bank would you like that deposited in?".
So...you have a decision. You can run your local station forever and probably not make that kind of money, or you sell and retire with millions. And millions in a small town will get you a long way! And your children, and your grandchildren. No matter how much you love radio, that's not a hard decision. And that is what has happened time and time again.
I can vouch for one particular owner who was quite happy and content with their small market station that served a local audience and had no intentions of moving the station to the larger market or attempting to do anything other than serve a local community. When asked about selling they declined. When subsequent requests for selling were made, the question was "what would it take?". Answering with what was thought a ridiculous figure and expecting this to make the buyer go away for good and leave them alone, they were surprised by the comeback of "what bank would you like that deposited in?".
So...you have a decision. You can run your local station forever and probably not make that kind of money, or you sell and retire with millions. And millions in a small town will get you a long way! And your children, and your grandchildren. No matter how much you love radio, that's not a hard decision. And that is what has happened time and time again.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Steve pretty much nailed it. KIKT ceased serving Greenville,when Susquehanna bought it years ag
nly the manger,sales person and receptionist were on duty. KSCH in Sulpher Springs is ran out of Mnt. Pleasant,and the only thing live is their Church service and a SS High School game.The Mnt. Pleasant group of stations is all satelite on the lame Waitt network. KDNT in Denton is long gone,same with KTER in Terrell,and the list goes on. Radio stations serving a local community is a vanishing and almost extinct breed. The station Steve is most likely referring to is KBEC in Ennis. They serve their community and are dedicated in doing just that.
nly the manger,sales person and receptionist were on duty. KSCH in Sulpher Springs is ran out of Mnt. Pleasant,and the only thing live is their Church service and a SS High School game.The Mnt. Pleasant group of stations is all satelite on the lame Waitt network. KDNT in Denton is long gone,same with KTER in Terrell,and the list goes on. Radio stations serving a local community is a vanishing and almost extinct breed. The station Steve is most likely referring to is KBEC in Ennis. They serve their community and are dedicated in doing just that.
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jeff715
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None of that matters... They could put a stick on top of the tallest building in DFW but this is the Bone we are talking about... Classic Rock is D-E A-D. The Bone has Walton & Johnson (puke & barf). The Cowboys sure have helped rocket them to the top right? I really miss Merge93.3 or even the Zone.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Classic Rock ain't dead. It just hasn't been program right. Its been subjected to short playlists ,instead of knowing what was a hit . Its on air talent (and I say that loosely) who are too young to know the music thus having a listener change the station,plus the barrage of spots.Classic Rock can do well, but please these pointers;
Play one Boston cut once a week
Play Trex Bang a Gong once a month
Play Rick Derringers "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo" once every 2 months
Play Creams"White Room" in the spring and every 3 weeks .
Lastily Give a year long rest to ;
Claptons "layla",'Doobie Bros "China Grove" ,Golden Earrings's "Radar Love"
Play one Boston cut once a week
Play Trex Bang a Gong once a month
Play Rick Derringers "Rock and Roll Hootchie Coo" once every 2 months
Play Creams"White Room" in the spring and every 3 weeks .
Lastily Give a year long rest to ;
Claptons "layla",'Doobie Bros "China Grove" ,Golden Earrings's "Radar Love"
KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
Yeah, but what's tired old dogs to you (and me).... is like "crack" to them.....
They can't and they won't put them down....... ever
Stupid is as Stupid does....
As far the Jocks go.... they could be the Best, or total lamebrains.... either way, Corprate Company dictates will not allow them to play anything other than the same old tired stuff.
THEY think they're in a G-r-o-o-v-e . . . .
WE know they are Musically in a R-U-T, but I would like to think it's more like a G-O-R-G-E. A vast deep canyon of white trash, that will never be full enough of their filth! !
Have A Nice Day
KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
I’m not so sure I agree with that. The DMN ran an article recently about KLAK, a station that is focusing on localism for Collin County. I think the article implies “hyper local” (if that was indeed the word they used… I don’t have the article in front of me at the moment) stations are on the rise.
Also, look at K104. Their focus on localism is a key element to their continued success.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Robert,we agree. K104 is outstanding. Good for KLAK,however look at the over all landscape. Stations actually serving a local community is almost extinct. The exceptions are stations 87.9- 91.9. Everything else is syndication,vt,satellite driven mediocrity,and the only way they serve a local community is a few psa's and the top of the hour ID.
K104, KLAK and as much as I hate to sound like I’m plugging, KEOM are fine examples of what radio should be; local. By local, I don’t mean local jocks behind the board. I mean local as in they tell listeners what’s going on in their neighborhoods.
The article I mentioned suggests these types of stations are on the rise. I suspect it’s an example of terrestrial radio finally waking up and responding to satellite radio. I certainly don’t expect the corporate consolidated mess commercial radio has become will buy into it quickly. But I commend “any” station that tries what the three aforementioned stations are doing.
This, in my opinion, is an example of what can breathe new life into terrestrial radio.
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The article I mentioned suggests these types of stations are on the rise. I suspect it’s an example of terrestrial radio finally waking up and responding to satellite radio. I certainly don’t expect the corporate consolidated mess commercial radio has become will buy into it quickly. But I commend “any” station that tries what the three aforementioned stations are doing.
This, in my opinion, is an example of what can breathe new life into terrestrial radio.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
Chiming in on the K104 comments...you're right, and that's the way it's always been. You can say the same thing about KKDA 730.
But KLAK is an interesting case, up to a point, then it becomes the same old story. Yes, they're trying to "superserve" Collin County but it's an opportunistic move in light of their recent tower relocation that gave them a better signal there. Look back at their beginnings as a move-in to the Sherman-Denison market from Durant, and their subsequent relicensing to Tom Bean. So they're a Texas station now with a tower in Grayson County, and virtually everything they're doing is directed toward Collin County. So much for serving your "community of license." Some Collin County folks may know they've got a new "local" station but across the county line, Tom Bean just gets a top of the hour ID.
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Emarti
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Re: A better morning show would help more! Fire w&j!
Better signals always help.
A better morning show on the Bone would help even more than a bigger stick.
KIOL Houston fired Outlaw Dave this week and there are rumors flying about w&j's flagship. :-X
Fire w&j!
I disagree with some of the cool people that post here on the topic of Rock.
Rock isn't dead.
You know what is dead? R&B...Artists like Whitney Houston, Anita Baker, any type or form of music by black artists that is not hip-hop or gospel.
Hip-hop has peaked and over the past year Rock has been coming back nationally. From all the spots and promos on TV to the bands featured on late night talk shows like Letterman, Leno, Conan, Daly and all the others. Hip Hop among white kids has peaked. The younger kids after the generation in the late 90's that embraced hip-hop, now see it as dated as the group Kriss-Kross (the phenom for a week that wore their jeans backwards in the 90s).
I'm not saying hiphop is dead, but it has peaked, especially among white youth. The corporate world is backing away from hip-hop, just like the NBA learned, people don't like having ghetto thugs in their face.
Better signals always help.
A better morning show on the Bone would help even more than a bigger stick.
KIOL Houston fired Outlaw Dave this week and there are rumors flying about w&j's flagship. :-X
Fire w&j!
I disagree with some of the cool people that post here on the topic of Rock.
Rock isn't dead.
You know what is dead? R&B...Artists like Whitney Houston, Anita Baker, any type or form of music by black artists that is not hip-hop or gospel.
Hip-hop has peaked and over the past year Rock has been coming back nationally. From all the spots and promos on TV to the bands featured on late night talk shows like Letterman, Leno, Conan, Daly and all the others. Hip Hop among white kids has peaked. The younger kids after the generation in the late 90's that embraced hip-hop, now see it as dated as the group Kriss-Kross (the phenom for a week that wore their jeans backwards in the 90s).
I'm not saying hiphop is dead, but it has peaked, especially among white youth. The corporate world is backing away from hip-hop, just like the NBA learned, people don't like having ghetto thugs in their face.
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charles123
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They need to do something with the station all together
If "real rock" would be coming back, I'd be all for it.
But to me, Nirvant and all that other grunge CRAP is not rock. At least with real rock, you can "possibly" sing to the songs.............plus grunge is all so ANGRY !!
Please tell me you are right about "hip-hop" or "rap-crap" being dead. That is the WORST form of "music genre" I think I've ever heard and I don't even listen to it.
All it is about is "yo, I slapped my bitch last night" or "im a cold-blooded killer MF" etc........
In my opinion, you could take ALL rap and blow it up and the world would be a MUCH better place............
my two cents worth of opinion, which probably isn't worth that much.
As for W&J, they are TERRIBLE !! Almost as bad as the Nascar Boys, John Boy and Billy............UGH !!
At least KZPS has Bo and Jim. Now those two guys are FUNNY and original !! Sure would like to see them with less of a tight rope around their show though. It would even make it better.
But to me, Nirvant and all that other grunge CRAP is not rock. At least with real rock, you can "possibly" sing to the songs.............plus grunge is all so ANGRY !!
Please tell me you are right about "hip-hop" or "rap-crap" being dead. That is the WORST form of "music genre" I think I've ever heard and I don't even listen to it.
All it is about is "yo, I slapped my bitch last night" or "im a cold-blooded killer MF" etc........
In my opinion, you could take ALL rap and blow it up and the world would be a MUCH better place............
my two cents worth of opinion, which probably isn't worth that much.
As for W&J, they are TERRIBLE !! Almost as bad as the Nascar Boys, John Boy and Billy............UGH !!
At least KZPS has Bo and Jim. Now those two guys are FUNNY and original !! Sure would like to see them with less of a tight rope around their show though. It would even make it better.
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