• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

A/C Losing Ground In At-Work Listening

So if 40-year-old women want to hear Macklemore rapping in "Can't Hold Us" - would AC stations add that too? Give me a break. Soft Rock is SOFT rock, not a "softer" Top 40. I remember a heck of a lot more "love" and softer songs being played on Delilah - now it's Lady Gaga, Adele and Ellie Goulding requests.

-crainbebo
 
Try offending 35-44 year olds, musically, now. Go ahead. I want to see this. :)

I'm 42 years old, and the two artists you'd hear most often in my high school parking lot were Bon Jovi... and 2 Live Crew. I still know all the words to both versions of Me So Horny. There's no artist today that can shock me more than Luther Campbell already did. For that matter, you could put on Prince's P-Control and more than half of the song would go by before my wife would notice the lyrics, if she caught on at all. Her first reaction to Cee-Lo Green's (eff) You was to first giggle, then sing along.

You don't need to edit out guitar solos, and you don't need to edit out rap for today's 25-54's. It's our music.
 
Last edited:
So if 40-year-old women want to hear Macklemore rapping in "Can't Hold Us" - would AC stations add that too? Give me a break. Soft Rock is SOFT rock, not a "softer" Top 40. I remember a heck of a lot more "love" and softer songs being played on Delilah - now it's Lady Gaga, Adele and Ellie Goulding requests.

-crainbebo

But Adult Contemporary isn't (necessarily) soft rock. For its first 15 years (1968-83) it was a softer Top 40.

The "Continuous Soft Hits" approach was developed when the combination of MTV and the re-birth of Top 40 as FM CHR resulted in a greater number of hits that 40-year-old women could no longer relate to.

Those women are 70 now.

Today's 40-year-old women were 10 then.

The Ramones "I Wanna Be Sedated" shows up a lot as a feel-good party song in research.

So, yeah, if 40-year-old women want to hear rap, metal, whatever, in big enough numbers, AC better play it.

The job isn't to play a type of music, it's to attract a certain audience advertisers want to reach.
 
Real people don't punch up and down the dial looking for "adult contemporary" music. That's a term coined by the radio industry to help sell commercials.

They punch up and down the dial looking for songs that they like. You'd better play what they like, or they'll punch out.
 
So if 40-year-old women want to hear Macklemore rapping in "Can't Hold Us" - would AC stations add that too? Give me a break.

I've heard Justin Timberlake's "Sexyback" on an AC station. But that station also played Bob Marley's "One Love", so at times they can get quite off-the-wall with what they put in their playlist.
 
OK, what we now call Adult Contemporary is really something else, a format for 35-54, that shows splashes of "contemporary" but largely, not so much. It came into existence by aging with its AC audience, so as not to lose those baby boomers. Hot AC is really AC. What I expect to happen is for AC to take on the characteristics of what Hot AC and AC before it, used to be, less gold based and overall, more contemporary, which is after all, its name. I'm a little confused about the 1968 timeline. Full Service/AC was Progressive MOR, when I was in college. It seems like the Adult Contemporary name came shortly thereafter and I think that Progressive MOR still had elements of MOR that FS/AC didn't carry on.
 
OK, what we now call Adult Contemporary is really something else, a format for 35-54, that shows splashes of "contemporary" but largely, not so much. It came into existence by aging with its AC audience, so as not to lose those baby boomers. Hot AC is really AC. What I expect to happen is for AC to take on the characteristics of what Hot AC and AC before it, used to be, less gold based and overall, more contemporary, which is after all, its name. I'm a little confused about the 1968 timeline. Full Service/AC was Progressive MOR, when I was in college. It seems like the Adult Contemporary name came shortly thereafter and I think that Progressive MOR still had elements of MOR that FS/AC didn't carry on.

I think it depends on where you grew up. And it got called a lot of things...Uptempo MOR, Progressive MOR, Chicken Rock, Adult Contemporary.

But the first pioneers (among them WGAR, Cleveland and WBT, Charlotte) really got started in 1968 by taking the Top 40 and subtracting a few records from it instead of the MOR approach of adding the 3 or 4 softest Top 40 songs (in very light rotation) to their Al Hirt, Ed Ames and Patti Page records.

Another thing that set early AC apart was that the gold was 5-10 year old Top 40 stuff...not old MOR. They'd play "Witch Doctor" before they played "Witchcraft".

Some AC programmers were more brave than others when it came to music. Chuck Blore's KIIS-AM in Los Angeles tended to be fairly mellow. Jack Woods' KFMB-AM in San Diego, morphing out of a failed attempt at Top 40 and in a town where the dominant Top 40 was 48 RPM records with Shotgun Tom and Rich Brother Robbin screaming up the intros, could go a lot further and still be considered a "grownup" station by comparison.

Generally, the braver ones did better because they sounded fresher and took audience from Top 40.

Full Service came later in the 70s, as MORs that changed to ACs musically but didn't change their spot loads, news and sports commitments or personality talk time realized there was only so much time left for music on AM and it might be a bridge to the future to play up what the station did between the records instead of trying to hide it.

KFMB went at it from the opposite direction, adding Padres baseball in 1976 and gradually adding non-music elements until they were more Full Service than AC.

Most of those stations ended up becoming talk stations, because, for the most part, Baby Boomers raised on 15 songs an hour and short stopsets were never going to embrace 10 minutes of news, 18 commercial minutes, plus features and maybe six records an hour.

And...most of the elements added in Full Service tended to skew male in their appeal. In fact, even the music-oriented ACs tended to be more oriented toward guys, from the tempo to the DJ talk to sports. But it was the least objectionable alternative to adult women at the time, who were a good 10 years too young for beautiful music.

So when Jhani Kaye took a full-signal FM and put 48 minutes of contemporary yet soft love songs on it, it was a home run with 40-year old women. And what had been AM AC just crumbled.

But again, that was 30 years ago. Those women are 70 now. The women of the Class of 1991 want something different than the women of the class of 1961. And the only surprise is that that is a surprise to anyone.
 
Awhile back, I said that my local AC had removed all 70s. For the first time in about six months, I heard a 70s title, "Dancing Queen". I checked their website and it looks like they also play "Don't Stop". It's hard to be sure because it's a Clear Channel station that throws in a lot of 60s and early 70s oldies(overnight)on their stream(only), so I have to guess around it but that was the only other title I found.
 
Good luck with that. There is at present, no demand from the advertisers for "Mom and the kids". They just want Mom.

However, over on the non-commercial side, we see huge advances in Contemporary Christian music. This is the soft rock that people used to get on AC with a family friendly message. And it's getting big numbers in a lot of places.
 
Good luck with that. There is at present, no demand from the advertisers for "Mom and the kids". They just want Mom.
What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

You don't want filth in your background music in a business.

And I don't watch movies or TV series that haven't been cleaned up for broadcast TV, though I make exceptions for the hilarious "2 Broke Girls" and animated Seth MacFarlane.
 
What does that have to do with ANYTHING?

You don't want filth in your background music in a business.

And I don't watch movies or TV series that haven't been cleaned up for broadcast TV, though I make exceptions for the hilarious "2 Broke Girls" and animated Seth MacFarlane.

It has to do with the fact that the advertisers want whatever delivers the audience. And at-work listening is not always done in a way that customers hear.
 
Good luck with that. There is at present, no demand from the advertisers for "Mom and the kids". They just want Mom.
Tell that to Mix 92.9's listeners. There is a complaint on their Facebook page right now for the "family friendly" Mix 92.9 playing "Blurred Lines." But in fairness to Mix 92.9, they haven't made that "family friendly" claim in years! Of course, playing Cee Lo Green's "Forget You" would have busted that "family friendly" claim a long time ago.

But maybe Mix 92.9's listeners aren't too bright. There is also yet another "whatever happened to Delilah?" question on there. Duh-lilah has been gone from their airwaves since May 2012, and some listeners are JUST NOW noticing?

The FISH, the Christian AC station, does indeed still make the "family friendly" claim, and they are right next to Mix 92.9 on the Nashville radio dial.
 
You don't need to edit out guitar solos, and you don't need to edit out rap for today's 25-54's. It's our music.
Tell that to Mix 92.9. They cut out Eddie Van Halen's guitar solo from Michael Jackson's "Beat It." Made no sense at all to me!

While I haven't noticed them going out of their way to play any rap records, I also haven't noticed them editing rap parts out of tunes that they play. One of P!nk's tunes has a rap that is left in. I have noticed, however, that they are playing UB40's "Red Red Wine" with the rap left out, but that was actually the version that became a minor hit in 1983-1984.
 
Tell that to Mix 92.9's listeners. There is a complaint on their Facebook page right now for the "family friendly" Mix 92.9 playing "Blurred Lines."

.

Firepoint: 16,255 people have "Liked" Mix 92.9's Facebook page.

One person posted a complaint about "Blurred Lines" six weeks ago. One other person has "liked" that comment.

What am I supposed to be telling Mix 92.9's listeners?
 
Firepoint: 16,255 people have "Liked" Mix 92.9's Facebook page.
One person posted a complaint about "Blurred Lines" six weeks ago. One other person has "liked" that comment.
What am I supposed to be telling Mix 92.9's listeners?
I don't know. How about maybe "get with the program"? Do I have to do all your homework for you? You are usually sharper than that. At any rate, you need not "like" their Facebook page in order to post comments on it. I am not one of those 16,255 "likes," and yet I am able to post to their page.

Since I don't know the age of the commenter or the "liker," I have no way of knowing if either of them are in their target demo. But I suppose that it is safe to assume that they are NOT listening on Saturday nights (about the only time that I AM listening to them!) when Tom Kent plays AC/DC. Not a big fan of AC/DC myself (even back to when I was in high school), but it is humorous to hear them (among others) on an otherwise "AC" station.
 
I don't know. How about maybe "get with the program"? Do I have to do all your homework for you? You are usually sharper than that.

.

My point, Firepoint, is that, if, in 6 weeks, of the more than 16-thousand people who can comment on the station's Facebook page, only two have expressed displeasure that they play "Blurred Lines", there is nothing to tell Mix 92.9's listeners. They apparently have no problem with it.
 
My point, Firepoint, is that, if, in 6 weeks, of the more than 16-thousand people who can comment on the station's Facebook page, only two have expressed displeasure that they play "Blurred Lines", there is nothing to tell Mix 92.9's listeners. They apparently have no problem with it.
Well, again, don't tell me. Tell them. But you don't have to be among the 16,000+ in order to post comments there.
 
What is the benefit to AC stations playing "Blurred Lines"? Judging by the complaints, they may lose listeners if they play it. But what will they lose if they don't play it? Probably nothing. The song has already passed its peak of popularity. At this point anyone who really likes it has already downloaded it from iTunes and can listen to it anytime they want. They don't need the radio to play it for them, and wouldn't even be looking for it on a "Soft Rock" station in the first place.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom