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A creative exercise for all your Dallas/Ft. Worth Radio Types

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chrisdanger

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The situation:

I find it funny that we're in a top 5 media market, yet we lack jazz, electronic and real alternative/Adult Alt. (i.e 101x/KROQ, KGSR as The KDGE and KXT dont count in my book) on the airwaves here. Instead we're getting the worst treacle from the CC empire, the worst CBS can muster on the main channels(I do like Indie Verse), the bubkis from Cumulus and latin stations that are just simulcast of other frequencies. This market used to be pretty dang amazing, We were innovators with the like of Gordon McLendon, who innovated radio in this and other countries (He even ran an pirate radio in europe, amazing story BTW) Ron Chapman, and many many others. Yet, today we're a shadow of what we used to be.

The question:

If you had the power and authority to reinvent/rebuild the radio market in D/FW, what would you do?
 
I'd bring back Jack E. Jett's new wave/punk rock show he did on 1360 before they went off the air. Those guys played cool music and it sounded like they were having fun doing it. It kinda sucked listening to rock music on AM radio but their selection was better than anything these mainstream stations offer.
 
This just in....Nobody Listens To That Crap If They Dont Have To. NEXT?
 
yet we lack ... real alternative/Adult Alt. (i.e 101x/KROQ, KGSR as The KDGE and KXT dont count in my book)

KXT is a near-perfect AAA, very similar to WXPN in Philly - considered to be the granddaddy of non-commercial AAA stations in the country. Plus, they are averaging over 300k cume on a pretty regular basis these days, making them among the most-listened-to noncomm music stations anywhere. Why do they not count in your book?
 
Exactly. I'll take KXT any day over "real" AAA stations like KKZN, KKMR and (the short-lived) KDBN that once existed in this area. It took a little while, but KXT has hit its stride.
 
mediawonk said:
yet we lack ... real alternative/Adult Alt. (i.e 101x/KROQ, KGSR as The KDGE and KXT dont count in my book)

KXT is a near-perfect AAA, very similar to WXPN in Philly - considered to be the granddaddy of non-commercial AAA stations in the country. Plus, they are averaging over 300k cume on a pretty regular basis these days, making them among the most-listened-to noncomm music stations anywhere. Why do they not count in your book?

Heres why I threw KXT out there: Every time i've tuned in its been a rehash of KVIL/KMMX from years ago(ex from noon hour today: Fleetwood Mac, followed by Duran Duran, Followed by English Beat), I'd love to hear more recent acts like Flaming Lips, Band Of Horses, ect (i.e. real alternative). I will give them credit for dumping most of the syndicated programming, but much more needs to be done before I can consider them relevant..
 
I see your point, but I think that KXT has found the right balance for this area. They do play artists like the Flaming Lips and BOH, though maybe not at the frequency that some would like to see. I don't know if a AAA station that leaned heavier on modern artists could bring in the numbers to survive in the D/FW area.

I know that KXT is non-comm, but they still have to maintain some sort of listenership.
 
I think KXT is the best music selection overall on the FM dial 70% of the time. The other 30% of underground/unfamiliar programming is what keeps them from running with the big dogs, and I assume that's why they keep it that way. Anyone sharp enough to dig up the hits they program, is sharp enough to program a top ten stick. I guess it really doesn't 'pay' to win in non profit radio, so they can afford to just tease us with what a great station could sound like.
 
Been diggin em for a good while.

Friday night my wife was in the car and spouted an OMG she loves THAT station. KXT. We've had it as a preset for awhile.

Said she likes that the DJ's don't sound like they are trying to sell you something all the time or visit a website and the music is good. Further shock as she said it is now on one of the two office radios. KXT and Mix 102.9(i guess they would be the visit a website always sound like they are selling you something.)
 
Heres an example of a station i'd like to hear in Dallas: WFMU(http://www.wfmu.org/), a great user-supported indie station from the hudson valley that reminds me of KNON, except w/ people who have a shred of talent, less latin music, and don't sound as whiny when it comes to pledge drives.
 
There is room in a market of this size for a true electronica format. CHR is skewing in that direction, but it's not the same. The closest we've had it was for a few years with KKDL 106.7 (more of a CHR/dance format) before it became KZZA and flipped to Spanish.
 
Triple Fake Jerry said:
There is room in a market of this size for a true electronica format. CHR is skewing in that direction, but it's not the same. The closest we've had it was for a few years with KKDL 106.7 (more of a CHR/dance format) before it became KZZA and flipped to Spanish.

That, IMHO, was one of the greatest screwjobs in Dallas radio history...an excellent station w/ awesome on-air staff that got the shaft because of bad management who wanted to flip it to be a mexiclone..
 
chrisdanger said:
We were innovators with the like of Gordon McLendon, who innovated radio in this and other countries (He even ran an pirate radio in europe, amazing story BTW) Ron Chapman, and many many others. Yet, today we're a shadow of what we used to be.

But how much room is there for innovators in today's corporate radio environment? And I don't necessarily mean this as criticism as there are powerful and understandable motives for such companies to want to "play it safe." Acquiring and operating radio stations costs a lot of money and those in charge are under enormous pressure by stockholders and other investors to bring in a return on their investment. Unfortunately, sometimes it is a lot less risky to stick to tried and true conventional wisdom and defend mediocre results than it is to stick your neck out and try something that you think has the potential to become the next big thing but, if you are wrong, could become an embarrassing or even career ending flop.

Gordon McLendon, on the other hand, only had to justify any risks he took to himself (and, early on, his daddy).

I think you will also find that periods of great innovation in radio tend to coincide with periods of financial uncertainty. Radio in the early 1920s was a money losing proposition for a few years which brought about the innovations of deriving revenue through advertising and the big coast to coast networks - innovations that made radio's golden age possible. McLendon's innovations came along during a period of great uncertainty when all the popular radio programs and their audiences were moving over to television. Many at the time were convinced radio was finished - but amidst that uncertainty and downsizing innovators such as McLendon created an entirely new audience for the medium. FM in the 1960s was floundering with stations either simulcasting their successful AM counterparts or were little more than afterthoughts devoted to high fidelity easy listening or classical music. The fact that the stakes were not as high opened doors those who thought outside the box to offer the sort of programing that eventually caused young people to abandon the AM dial in droves. AM radio seemed pretty much finished in the late 1980s when Rush Limbaugh defied conventional wisdom and created an entirely new audience out of millions of people whose opinions had previously been either ignored or looked upon with scorn and derision by the mass media. Love the man or hate him, you have to admit that the success of Limbaugh's program the others that followed as a result revived and breathed another two decades of life into the AM dial.

Today, the AM dial seems to be in a similar boat that it was in during the late 1980s and terrestrial radio in general (and all forms of mass media) is in a situation that is not dissimilar to where radio was shortly after the advent of television. So if history is any guide, radio is ripe for another period of transformative innovation.

And there IS a lot of innovative programing going on today. But much of it is happening on the Internet. Heck, I will even be so shameless as to point to myself. Check out my .sig line at the bottom of the post. What corporate gatekeeper would have ever allowed such a format to exist 15 years ago except for perhaps a few hours in a dead time slot on a non-commercial station? Thanks to the Internet, I did not have to beg and plead my case before someone who had managed to obtain an FCC license and had a business to run for a chance to follow my passion. Today the barriers to entry are low enough that anybody who has a passion for something can take it online. Sure, much of the stuff online is mediocre or outright crap. But some of it isn't. And because there are no gatekeepers, people have a freedom to experiment and innovate that a corporate or even a mom and pop radio station would never be in a position to provide.

If I, through a highly unlikely course of events, were somehow put in charge of a terrestrial radio station, I would regard the Internet as my laboratory and be constantly trying to scour it for up and coming talent and for ideas and innovations that could be successfully moved (perhaps with a few tweaks) from the niche world of the Internet to the larger, more general audiences of terrestrial radio. I have no idea if people are doing that right now or not - but, if they are not, my guess is they eventually will be once things become desperate enough.

Finally, even when the next innovation/rebuilding of radio comes about, many of us probably will not notice until after the fact. My guess is that during McLendon's heyday an awful lot of veteran radio observers were decrying how horrible things had become and were waxing nostalgic for the pre-television golden age when radio was at the pinnacle of its cultural influence. Many of them were probably either blind or indifferent to the innovations that were taking place right in front of them.
 
Dismuke, I'm also the host of a show on a new upstart here on Deep Ellum On Air(http://deepellumonair.com/TUSCNS.html) as well, so I def. agree. I just think the problem w/ the terrestrial radio business is its grown too fat for its own good, especially in this legacy market..Its going to take people like us to make the business a better place..
 
chrisdanger said:
Dismuke, I'm also the host of a show on a new upstart here on Deep Ellum On Air(http://deepellumonair.com/TUSCNS.html) as well, so I def. agree. I just think the problem w/ the terrestrial radio business is its grown too fat for its own good, especially in this legacy market..Its going to take people like us to make the business a better place..

Is that the same thing that Jantzen Ray does with the Dubstep show Chris?
 
Yes, it is Outlaw. That dubstep show is pretty good. My kid listens to it every once in a while. Both times I've tuned in, the show was some comedian with a couple comedian friends, bitching about being a comedian. I guess it would be entertaining if I was a comedian.
 
Outlaw and Buttn, that it is, Jantzen runs the station out of a top secret location in Deep Ellum. I love the fact I can do a show about being a nerd and have people who enjoy watching it, the same goes w/ our other hosts as well as they're doing everything they like, including Being Friske, the show you mentioned.

Let me also re-phrase something I said in an earlier comment, because I caught some heat: I don't have an issue w/ latin stations or formats in the market, as they are filling a niche and quite a few of them have great on-air chemistry, what I take issue w/ is the same format being simulcast on different frequencies, which can be used for alt. programming. I use the 106.7 Oasis discussion point, which is to say CBS threw a latin station out there to be a placeholder instead of keeping a quality station on the air, the same goes w/ the KKDL/KZZA situation as well.
 
The 7000 plus tunes on my IPOD..........................
 
People seem to be mentioning KXT a lot. Their music selection is ok, but their "jocks" seem to have no energy. They almost put me to sleep when reading their list of the last 6 songs they just played. And as for your Deep Ellum Online station, if they could play some licensed music, I think it would make it a bit more popular. IMHO.
 
Buttn, I agree..most of that comes down to getting an ASCAP/BMI license...trust me, they're working towards that. But, I also agree on the KXT on-air staff as they have "sleepy NPR" voice, save Gini Mascorro, who is the best on-air personality there
 
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