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A DJ Retires; "pots and pans" kills dance

Interesting to see how he's found Country music a complete polar opposite of dance music.

Interesting comments on the correlation between drugs & music in the scene. I completely agree with him (and have posted such in other forums where I was *gasp* flamed). The circuit/rave scene might have lasted longer had it been tied into music rather than a collection of chemicals.

I can personally recall the last rave I ever spun at. Wasn't a massive club by any standards...but as I stood there I realized no one longer got it. Surrounded by trainspotters, eager to tell me how they were DJ's, the rest of the club were just there for the drugs. The music had become immaterial and had I put on a 2 hour long loop of some techno riff I probably could have gone home and come back to see the same people doing the same dance.

This guys words say alot about why dance music is what it is today. Just the word "dance" often brings up connotations of people wigged out on E dancing to Happy Hardcore drinking bottled water. The stereotype became overwhelming and the reality. If you weren't wasted on Meth or E, you weren't accepted (and not just DJ's but the crowd). The "free spirit" of rave/circuit became more about an exclusive little club of people wearing orange pants with soothers in their mouth. And what happened? The world turned it's back on the scene and it's virtually disappeared. And that's fine with me, but it's certainly not helped the dance scene any.

And I think that's why Dance has such a hard time making it into the mainstream. It's an image problem we can't seem to escape.

Good luck to him. Being 36 myself, I still love the music, but I will never defend it.
 
"He is convinced the drugs and the music are intertwined."

And this is a surprise? It's funny to see it expressed in such a simplistic manner, as if this is something new.

Go to any rock concert or reggae concert and sniff around. Literally. Are we to believe that the original Woodstock and it's offspring were drug-free parties? That all the smuggling shipments from across our borders are marked "FOR DANCE MUSIC LOVERS ONLY!"? This isn't restricted to dance music. It's across the board.

Dance music in general took a hit in image because of the government's focus on certain party favors over the last five years, rooted primarily in underground circles. The blind sheep media followed along and ate it up.

In the end, dance music has more issues to resolve than this. Drugs haven't stalled other genres of music.
 
> "He is convinced the drugs and the music are intertwined."
>
> And this is a surprise? It's funny to see it expressed in
> such a simplistic manner, as if this is something new.
>
> Go to any rock concert or reggae concert and sniff around.
> Literally. Are we to believe that the original Woodstock and
> it's offspring were drug-free parties? That all the
> smuggling shipments from across our borders are marked "FOR
> DANCE MUSIC LOVERS ONLY!"? This isn't restricted to dance
> music. It's across the board.
>
> Dance music in general took a hit in image because of the
> government's focus on certain party favors over the last
> five years, rooted primarily in underground circles. The
> blind sheep media followed along and ate it up.
>
> In the end, dance music has more issues to resolve than
> this. Drugs haven't stalled other genres of music.
> Woodstock, and rock concerts have name brand, household names stars, like Green Day,foo fighters,or the Off spring, who have devoted fans and still sell millions of CDS,the STARS are the PRIMARY draw. There is NO comparison whatsoever between rock music/ concerts,and the sorry, drug oriented sunk ship which is dance, don't EVEN try!
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by lalumia on 08/04/05 06:42 PM.</FONT></P>
 
People go to rock concerts with the primary goal of seeing a band live. For one thing, people pay substantial amounts of money to see rock bands, unlike what they paid to get into a club. I'd guess very few people pay 100 bucks for Stones tickets with the specific goal of going to smoke a bag of weed. That's not the case in the rave scene. Drugs first, often music second.

The government has nothing to do with the downfall of rave. The downfall of rave has everything to do with what it was about. The scene parallels the disco scene of the 70s to some degree. It was more about fashion, drugs and sex than it was about the music. The music was the filler or the icing on the cake. No one went to a rave to spend 8 hours listening to a constant BPM of 140. Let's be honest man, there isn't alot you can do to make techno sound different than the last techno song you just played.

Ravers have NEVER been able to take responsibility for destroying their own scene. Was the media that wrong about what went on at raves? No, it was not because looking out over the glass, as a straight clear headed guy it was easy to see how many people were wiped outta their effing minds all the time. You had to be maxed out on E to dance 7 solid hours at 140BPM.

When you're part of a culture that the media isn't fond of, it's up to you to speak up and DEMONSTRATE you're a decent regular citizen, not some freek sucking on a soother in diapers wired on chemicals. Yet, ironically, the loudest whiners were often the people that lived the stereotypical raver life.

The only blame we can put on society as a whole is that they can't differentiate between the meaning of "rave" and "dance music". You say dance, people think "techno", as if Milky is techno. But that's neither here nor there because that's out of our control.



> Go to any rock concert or reggae concert and sniff around.
> Literally. Are we to believe that the original Woodstock and
> it's offspring were drug-free parties? That all the
> smuggling shipments from across our borders are marked "FOR
> DANCE MUSIC LOVERS ONLY!"? This isn't restricted to dance
> music. It's across the board.
>
> Dance music in general took a hit in image because of the
> government's focus on certain party favors over the last
> five years, rooted primarily in underground circles. The
> blind sheep media followed along and ate it up.
>
> In the end, dance music has more issues to resolve than
> this. Drugs haven't stalled other genres of music.
>
 
I'll add to that

Rave scene = Deadhead scene (Grateful Dead). As much as they said it was about this and that, it was really all about the drugs.
 
> interesting piece on the dance club circuit, which
> influences what you hear(and more importantly, what you
> DON'T hear) on the radio these days;
> http://www.nyblade.com/2005/7-29/arts/music/marsh.cfm
>

Julian Marsh QUIT because none of the boys want to hear that happy-ass-euro sound he's been trying to shove down our throats for years.
 
Now Now Justin

The man is 41, and 41 is pretty old in the business. There is no retirement package for DJ's. And the guy has a full time job, and it's alot harder to get outta bed with 2 hours sleep when you're 41 (or 36 for that matter). A good friend of mine is 41, started spinning at 19 and feels the same way about it all.

And man, even if you look young, dress young and feel young, you can't help but realize you ARE OLD when surrounded by hundreds of 20 year olds. It starts getting wierd when you're kid is almost old enough to come clubbing where you spin.

Give em a break. And respect the dood. Anyone that lasts 10 years or more in this business is either very good or very dead.


> Julian Marsh QUIT because none of the boys want to hear that
> happy-ass-euro sound he's been trying to shove down our
> throats for years.
>
 
Re: Now Now Justin

> The man is 41, and 41 is pretty old in the business. There
> is no retirement package for DJ's. And the guy has a full
> time job, and it's alot harder to get outta bed with 2 hours
> sleep when you're 41 (or 36 for that matter). A good friend
> of mine is 41, started spinning at 19 and feels the same way
> about it all.
>
> And man, even if you look young, dress young and feel young,
> you can't help but realize you ARE OLD when surrounded by
> hundreds of 20 year olds. It starts getting wierd when
> you're kid is almost old enough to come clubbing where you
> spin.
>
> Give em a break. And respect the dood. Anyone that lasts
> 10 years or more in this business is either very good or
> very dead.
>
>

I never said I didn't respect the guy. As a matter of fact, I own two Julian Marsh Compilations. Unfortunately, he never wanted to EVOLVE. His idea of "peak-hour" was a Shanghai Surprise or Flip 'N' Fill Remix. ;)
 
Re: Now Now Justin

>
> I never said I didn't respect the guy. As a matter of fact,
> I own two Julian Marsh Compilations. Unfortunately, he never
> wanted to EVOLVE. His idea of "peak-hour" was a Shanghai
> Surprise or Flip 'N' Fill Remix. ;)
>

Flip N fill huh? LOL. Those guys are definitely for the most part guilty pleasures in my book, although they've had an astounding amount of success on the Pop charts in the UK. To me they sound a lot like the type of commercial German Trance CJ Stone used to produce (I think he's also part of Voodoo & Serano), but CJ Stone's stuff is MUCH better. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 08/05/05 05:26 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Dont act so innocent

> Rave scene = Deadhead scene (Grateful Dead). As much as
> they said it was about this and that, it was really all
> about the drugs.
>
This is speaking to all who have posted regarding the drugs issue. Dont act so innocent, like you have never done anything in your life. Im really sure, that here on the dance board, no one here has ever done any drugs, never even smoked some weed, or gotten Sh.tfaced Drunk. I am not condoning drugs, and I think they can potentially ruin your life, make you Broke, homeless, in jail, or dead. But I think most Clubbers-Ravers <<--- (their is a difference) fans in their younger years have all done something at least once.
 
Re: Dont act so innocent

Well Midwest...

I've never taken E, Meth, Acid or any other chemical. I did smoke pot, but that was when I was in 11th grade. Now mind you :?), I'll happily admit that I will consume beer tonight *heh*. mmmmmm beer.

Just Say No? No man, just go work in a club as a SOBER person and it doesn't take long to see the effects of living bad.

You also forgot the other drug in spinning. Women. I'm not sure whats worse, Meth or getting involved with women that are fascinated with the "DJ". On that account, I learned the hard way :?).

FYI. The most available women are usually dancing at gay bars. Thats my dirty little secret LOLOLOL
 
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