• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

A few of my thoughts....

T

TheLaffer

Guest
With all the talent firings at Crap Channel and CBS one would think some of these middle managers who are clueless would get their pink slips too. What about 60 year old consultants? Should we shove them out too???? Many of them are out of touch pushing the same tired ideas.

What about this mentality at CC that "Were Different", "Were Bold". "Were Progressive". Bla Bla Bla.....

Hiring inexperienced FEMALES to program a Top 5 is NOT visionary. Let’s call it like it REALLY is Michael Martin; Blow out the experienced high salary people and replace them with 20 something’s. Excuse me????? Experienced people can't have fresh new innovative ideas???? Try hiring some out of work people, and then you people at CC, Cumulus and CBS might uncover fresh new innovative ideas from both young AND older.

Such stupidity and outright arrogance permeates this industry. No wonder it’s in sad shape. Many of you arrogant GM’s, OM’s think people on radio boards are nothing but malcontents? Yes I’m sure there are a few but that doesn’t mean they’re ALL wannabes or burned out malcontents like a lot of you try and portray these people to be to cover up your own stupid mistakes.

Too many good people out of work and when they speak out they’re labeled troublemakers and malcontents.

THAT BS AND YOU KNOW IT!


Yes were angry and outspoken for the way we have been treated, but were just as hard working, dedicated and on the team as anyone else.
 
You know, it always amazes me how certain industry types (such as one specific poster who lurks the boards on Radio Info as well as several people over on the Dentist board) keep defending consultants and research to death, but nobody asks these questions:

-If consultants and research are so useful and accurate, why are more and more listeners abandoning radio?
-If consultants and research are meant to make the stations only appealing to a certain niche demographic, why are so many stations having more and more of a difficult time keeping that demographic? I understand the argument that stations try to "superserve" their target demo, but in this day and age with radio listenership receeding, isn't that a form of slow suicide? You're not attracting new listeners to radio, you're limiting yourself to one demographic which will soon age and go the way of oldies (like it or not), and you're saying you don't even care if anyone outside that demo is listening? I'm sorry, but no matter what anyone says, it doesn't make sense to me.
-What are these so-called consultants doing to bring new listeners into radio? If they are doing anything, it's clearly not working.
-If these consultants are so good at their jobs, how do you explain stations doing abysmally poor in the ratings (and not just 12+ but even in their target demo) such as Free FM, Jack, etc. How do you explain failures like Blink 102.7, like Mix 102.7, like the old FM Talk on 102.7, Jammin Oldies, and so on?

Why must excuses always be made over the way radio is run when it's clear that it isn't being run correctly? Sure, some stations may be benefitting in the short-term, the successful ones like Lite FM and Z-100. But for how much longer? I don't even see many young people listening to a hit music station like Z100 anymore. Yes, I'm just one person, but I think other people would agree that it's reflective of a trend.
 
neo11 said:
-If consultants and research are so useful and accurate, why are more and more listeners abandoning radio?

Very few listeners are abandoning radio in the demos that radio serves:18 to 54. In fact, in this demo the weekly reach of radio is less than 2% below the level it was at 10 years ago.

Radio has lost listening time, but not listeners. In the younger demos, listening time is off not due to satellite, but to gaming (125 million gaming consoles in the US) and all kinds of alternate entertainment sources, ranging from the web to new cable TV channels. In 25-54, listening span erosion is only a few percent, though.

Consultants, programmers, researchers and such can only work within the competitive atmosphere that exists today. In fact, most are ocncerned with getting as big a share of the radio pie as possible, not defending radio against outside entertainment sources (which is the area where corporate management, the NAB, the RAB, etc., go to work). A PD is not enabled, able or day-to-day concerned with total radio share or cume... their job is to make thier radio station perform well vs. all others.

[/quote]
If consultants and research are meant to make the stations only appealing to a certain niche demographic, why are so many stations having more and more of a difficult time keeping that demographic? [/quote]

That is, for the very most part, not true. But since your comment is vague and non-specific, it could mean most anything.

I understand the argument that stations try to "superserve" their target demo, but in this day and age with radio listenership receeding, isn't that a form of slow suicide?

So slow that if the rate of decline is the same as the last 10 years, radio will only be off by 10% in 18-54 cume by about 2020. By that time, the current methods of delivery will be obsolete, and it won't matter. Get off the decline thing... you are wildly exaggerating what is a very slow, gradual slippage and which is confined mostly to demos we can not servd: teens and 55+.

You're not attracting new listeners to radio,

Since over 93% of Americans listen to radio weekly and it has been near that figure forever (it was 94% in 1985) there are no new listeners to attrace. Back in 1970, about 5% of Americans did not listen, either.

you're limiting yourself to one demographic which will soon age and go the way of oldies (like it or not), and you're saying you don't even care if anyone outside that demo is listening?

You misunderstand formats. AC stations drop the older gold, progressively, year by year, and add fresher cuts and new songs. They maintain their appeal on a specific demo by moving with the demeo, not the format. 60's oldies ages as the music is only of appeal to od farts today. On the other hand, r&b renews itself every day with new songs and the played out old schoold gets killed... so it is always 18-34. Or Hot AC... adds newer stuff, slowly drops the older, stays 18-34 female appeal year after year. Only stations that play oldies of one era have an ageing demo. The rest of us move with the taste of the demo, and change all the time.

Generally, out of demo listening is hard to get, as they like other things and other stations. You can not be all things to all people in an 80 station market.


I'm sorry, but no matter what anyone says, it doesn't make sense to me.

Are you in radio? If you were, then you would understand that stations are refreshing all the time to hold the core demo.

-What are these so-called consultants doing to bring new listeners into radio? If they are doing anything, it's clearly not working.

As I said, that is not a consultant's job. A consultant does not work for "RADIO" but for one station in a market and is hired to make it get a bigger share. Period.

-If these consultants are so good at their jobs, how do you explain stations doing abysmally poor in the ratings (and not just 12+ but even in their target demo) such as Free FM, Jack, etc. How do you explain failures like Blink 102.7, like Mix 102.7, like the old FM Talk on 102.7, Jammin Oldies, and so on?

There are lots of competent programmers. Someone wins, someone loses. In some markets, Jacks are the top 25-54 in town, and raking in money. In others, they have not made it as big. Free FM seems to me a mistake in execution, but what do I know about Anglo FM talk aimed at 1|8-34 men? In any case, CBS knows talkers take years to mature, so maybe they are patient.

Everyone starts an MLB season wanting to win the pennant. Only one team does. Some finish in the cellar, but that is not due to alack of trying... they were just beaten by bewtter teams and a bit of luck. Same in radio.

Why must excuses always be made over the way radio is run when it's clear that it isn't being run correctly? Sure, some stations may be benefitting in the short-term, the successful ones like Lite FM and Z-100. But for how much longer? I don't even see many young people listening to a hit music station like Z100 anymore. Yes, I'm just one person, but I think other people would agree that it's reflective of a trend.

Poor Z-100. Only reaches 2.5 million people a week. If this is your basis for saying radio is not being run well, you need to rethink your reasoning because the idea of radio is to make money by attracting listeners. And that is what radio does.
 
OldGringo said:
neo11 said:
-If consultants and research are so useful and accurate, why are more and more listeners abandoning radio?

Very few listeners are abandoning radio in the demos that radio serves:18 to 54. In fact, in this demo the weekly reach of radio is less than 2% below the level it was at 10 years ago.

Radio has lost listening time, but not listeners. In the younger demos, listening time is off not due to satellite, but to gaming (125 million gaming consoles in the US) and all kinds of alternate entertainment sources, ranging from the web to new cable TV channels. In 25-54, listening span erosion is only a few percent, though.

Consultants, programmers, researchers and such can only work within the competitive atmosphere that exists today. In fact, most are ocncerned with getting as big a share of the radio pie as possible, not defending radio against outside entertainment sources (which is the area where corporate management, the NAB, the RAB, etc., go to work). A PD is not enabled, able or day-to-day concerned with total radio share or cume... their job is to make thier radio station perform well vs. all others.
If consultants and research are meant to make the stations only appealing to a certain niche demographic, why are so many stations having more and more of a difficult time keeping that demographic? [/quote]

That is, for the very most part, not true. But since your comment is vague and non-specific, it could mean most anything.

I understand the argument that stations try to "superserve" their target demo, but in this day and age with radio listenership receeding, isn't that a form of slow suicide?

So slow that if the rate of decline is the same as the last 10 years, radio will only be off by 10% in 18-54 cume by about 2020. By that time, the current methods of delivery will be obsolete, and it won't matter. Get off the decline thing... you are wildly exaggerating what is a very slow, gradual slippage and which is confined mostly to demos we can not servd: teens and 55+.

You're not attracting new listeners to radio,

Since over 93% of Americans listen to radio weekly and it has been near that figure forever (it was 94% in 1985) there are no new listeners to attrace. Back in 1970, about 5% of Americans did not listen, either.

you're limiting yourself to one demographic which will soon age and go the way of oldies (like it or not), and you're saying you don't even care if anyone outside that demo is listening?

You misunderstand formats. AC stations drop the older gold, progressively, year by year, and add fresher cuts and new songs. They maintain their appeal on a specific demo by moving with the demeo, not the format. 60's oldies ages as the music is only of appeal to od farts today. On the other hand, r&b renews itself every day with new songs and the played out old schoold gets killed... so it is always 18-34. Or Hot AC... adds newer stuff, slowly drops the older, stays 18-34 female appeal year after year. Only stations that play oldies of one era have an ageing demo. The rest of us move with the taste of the demo, and change all the time.

Generally, out of demo listening is hard to get, as they like other things and other stations. You can not be all things to all people in an 80 station market.


I'm sorry, but no matter what anyone says, it doesn't make sense to me.

Are you in radio? If you were, then you would understand that stations are refreshing all the time to hold the core demo.

-What are these so-called consultants doing to bring new listeners into radio? If they are doing anything, it's clearly not working.

As I said, that is not a consultant's job. A consultant does not work for "RADIO" but for one station in a market and is hired to make it get a bigger share. Period.

-If these consultants are so good at their jobs, how do you explain stations doing abysmally poor in the ratings (and not just 12+ but even in their target demo) such as Free FM, Jack, etc. How do you explain failures like Blink 102.7, like Mix 102.7, like the old FM Talk on 102.7, Jammin Oldies, and so on?

There are lots of competent programmers. Someone wins, someone loses. In some markets, Jacks are the top 25-54 in town, and raking in money. In others, they have not made it as big. Free FM seems to me a mistake in execution, but what do I know about Anglo FM talk aimed at 1|8-34 men? In any case, CBS knows talkers take years to mature, so maybe they are patient.

Everyone starts an MLB season wanting to win the pennant. Only one team does. Some finish in the cellar, but that is not due to alack of trying... they were just beaten by bewtter teams and a bit of luck. Same in radio.

Why must excuses always be made over the way radio is run when it's clear that it isn't being run correctly? Sure, some stations may be benefitting in the short-term, the successful ones like Lite FM and Z-100. But for how much longer? I don't even see many young people listening to a hit music station like Z100 anymore. Yes, I'm just one person, but I think other people would agree that it's reflective of a trend.

Poor Z-100. Only reaches 2.5 million people a week. If this is your basis for saying radio is not being run well, you need to rethink your reasoning because the idea of radio is to make money by attracting listeners. And that is what radio does.
[/quote]

OLD GRINGO-DAVID EDUARDO GLEASON: Spoken like the FRAUD he is. Hey did you forget to make the weekend jock schedule and insert that new research data in?
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom