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Well sort of. Tweeter, ABC Warehouse, and Crutchfield announce they'll carry HD Radios and promote them more heavily.

Story available at

www.ibiquity.com


My thoughts: It's a nice start, but to really make HD Radio a mass appeal item, you need Wal Mart, Target, K-Mart, Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy, and Amazon.com in on the deal too.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Well sort of. Tweeter, ABC Warehouse, and Crutchfield
> announce they'll carry HD Radios and promote them more
> heavily.
>
> Story available at
>
> www.ibiquity.com
>
>
> My thoughts: It's a nice start, but to really make HD Radio
> a mass appeal item, you need Wal Mart, Target, K-Mart,
> Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy, and Amazon.com in on the deal
> too.
>

From my understanding the Best Buys of the world are being worked on. Amazon does carry a number of HD Radios already.
 
> From my understanding the Best Buys of the world are being
> worked on. Amazon does carry a number of HD Radios already.
>


I think more FM's need to light up IBOC! Here in Columbus where I live, there are only two stations doing IBOC on FM currently to my knowledge (105.7 The Fox and 89.7 WOSU ) and neither are doing "HD2" channels to my knowledge. I love the idea of this techology but I would love to see more stations come on line with it.

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> My thoughts: It's a nice start, but to really make HD Radio
> a mass appeal item, you need Wal Mart, Target, K-Mart,
> Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy, and Amazon.com in on the deal
> too.

Best Buy sells the original Boston Acoustics Recepter, along with a $500 Boston analog clock radio which resembles the discontinued Cambridge Soundworks 88 (and in a way the Bose Wave). Why aren't they selling the Recepter HD? Do they need the blessing of iBiquity as well?

As far as Target and Wal-Mart, you won't be seeing the Boston HD at any of these chains any time soon. We'll have to wait until the larger electronics manufacurers (Sony, Philips, etc.) or the so-called "low end" brands like Audiovox or GPX get in the game before that happens (and for the latter, that won't be until the overall manufacturing costs go down).
 
> My thoughts: It's a nice start, but to really make HD Radio
> a mass appeal item, you need Wal Mart, Target, K-Mart,
> Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy, and Amazon.com in on the deal
> too.

C'mon guys, I know any negative notions about "HD" are treated as blasphemy, but please!!! If Wal-mart and Target put these radios on display they still won't sell. (Which may be why they are NOT selling them!) NO ONE IS REALLY INTERESTED! NO ONE WILL PAY FOR THE SAME LOUSY CONTENT THEY NOW GET FOR FREE. Even if it sounds better! (Which it won't, at least not at the moment.) iBiquity "IBOC" is a collossal waste of time, money and bandwidth....and you all know it!
 
my twisted take on it....

FWIW...I really think that there has to a portable version before this "technology" takes off, in any form and as I understand it, this is not feasable at this time. I am not an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the imagination but as much money as Ibiquity has soaked into this, there is no way another digital delivery is going to be accepted. Period. Now with that said, that doesn't mean it is going to be a "standard" anytime soon...
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! NO ONE WILL PAY FOR THE SAME LOUSY CONTENT THEY
> NOW GET FOR FREE. Even if it sounds better! (Which it won't,
> at least not at the moment.) iBiquity "IBOC" is a collossal
> waste of time, money and bandwidth....and you all know it!
>

The content on the HD 2 & 3 channels is different. I have had a Receptor HD for 2 months and love mine. It sounds great is sensitive with a decent antenna and the programming is much better than what is available on the current FM band.
 
Re: my twisted take on it....

> FWIW...I really think that there has to a portable version
> before this "technology" takes off, in any form and as I
> understand it, this is not feasable at this time.

I paid 700 dollars for my first CD player. This technology is in it's infancy. Give it time. IBOC equiped radio is much better than standard AM & FM. I have one and love it.

I am not
> an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the imagination but as
> much money as Ibiquity has soaked into this, there is no way
> another digital delivery is going to be accepted.

We finally are getting a break from the multiple platform issues that caused the downfall of other technologies. Look what happened with stereo AM.
 
> > My thoughts: It's a nice start, but to really make HD
> Radio
> > a mass appeal item, you need Wal Mart, Target, K-Mart,
> > Sears, Circuit City, Best Buy, and Amazon.com in on the
> deal
> > too.
>
> C'mon guys, I know any negative notions about "HD" are
> treated as blasphemy, but please!!! If Wal-mart and Target
> put these radios on display they still won't sell. (Which
> may be why they are NOT selling them!) NO ONE IS REALLY
> INTERESTED! NO ONE WILL PAY FOR THE SAME LOUSY CONTENT THEY
> NOW GET FOR FREE. Even if it sounds better! (Which it won't,
> at least not at the moment.) iBiquity "IBOC" is a collossal
> waste of time, money and bandwidth....and you all know it!
>

Thanks for telling me what I know, Jim. I guess everything I've said has been a lie, right?

I am also very impressed that you know what the entire US population will and won't buy.

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> C'mon guys, I know any negative notions about "HD" are
> treated as blasphemy, but please!!! If Wal-mart and Target
> put these radios on display they still won't sell. (Which
> may be why they are NOT selling them!)

And you know this how? Have you done the market research?

> NO ONE IS REALLY INTERESTED!

No, YOU don't like the technology so you've convinced yourself of this.

> NO ONE WILL PAY FOR THE SAME LOUSY CONTENT THEY
> NOW GET FOR FREE.

That doesn't make any sense. They are paying for a new radio. You want to listen to "lousy" analog radio, you still have to pay for it, right?

> Even if it sounds better! (Which it won't,
> at least not at the moment.)

Ah, so you're one of those people who just slam HD radio because you can't DX your favorite stations anymore. You've never actually heard a real HD radio signal I'll venture to guess. FM and AM HD radio sounds 10 times better than analog. Bar NONE.

> iBiquity "IBOC" is a collossal
> waste of time, money and bandwidth....and you all know it!

That post was a collossal waste of time, money and bandwidth. IBOC isn't.
 
Re: my twisted take on it....

> > FWIW...I really think that there has to a portable version before
> > this "technology" takes off, in any form and as I understand it,
> > this is not feasible at this time.
>
> I paid 700 dollars for my first CD player. This technology is in
> it's infancy. Give it time. IBOC equiped radio is much better than
> standard AM & FM.

It depends on how you define "better".

> I have one and love it.

I have one of those Boston Acoustics receivers and I think that it works
far below the level of quality I would expect for what this technology
is purporting itself to be.

> > I am not an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the imagination but as
> > much money as Ibiquity has soaked into this, there is no way another
> > digital delivery is going to be accepted.
>
> We finally are getting a break from the multiple platform issues that
> caused the downfall of other technologies. Look what happened with
> stereo AM.

Which just goes to show us all, throw enough money at something and you
can convince people of anything.

Cal
 
Re: my twisted take on it....

"I have one of those Boston Acoustics receivers and I think that it works
far below the level of quality I would expect for what this technology
is purporting itself to be."

Could you elaberate? It it a sensitivity issue with you or maybe not enough HD choices? I also have the B.A. HD radio and I love mine. It's my bedside radio. I live in the NY market and we have 3 AM HD's and about 12 HD's on FM, many of whome are running 2nd channel audio, with WPLJ running three channels of HD. I have no trouble recieving them all cleanly and I am 25 miles from Midtown Manhattan.


"I am not an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the imagination but as
> > much money as Ibiquity has soaked into this, there is no way another
> > digital delivery is going to be accepted."

I work for one of the major networks and am an engineer. IBOC is one method established broadcasters are using to provide more choices for the avilable audience. What makes you think IBOC won't be accepted? Give it time. Let's talk next year and see where we are. The money the powers behind IBOC have put into this system is dwarfed by the debt load of XM & Sirrius.


>
> We finally are getting a break from the multiple platform issues that
> caused the downfall of other technologies. Look what happened with
> stereo AM.

"Which just goes to show us all, throw enough money at something and you
can convince people of anything."

Let's see, It works for me, I get new formats otherwise not available in my market, no monthly charge, excellent audio quality on the FM 2 channels. Yep, I feel ripped off.
 
WOW! I hit a nerve....please don't take my critique personally boys...

If you believe IBOC is the answer to all of the problems with radio today then so be it. However, as engineers, you should be well versed on the technical drawbacks of this system as well. Perhaps you should investigate beyond what you read in Radio World and what iBiquity is telling you. The big corporate owners are backing IBOC because they have already spent a pile of money on equipment. But, the bottom line is whether Americans will be willing to junk their analog radios and shell out a considerable sum of money for the same content and a marginal sound quality difference. I, for one, highly doubt that will ever happen.

BTW: My guess is that AM IBOC will never be implemented........
 
> WOW! I hit a nerve....please don't take my critique
> personally boys...
>
> If you believe IBOC is the answer to all of the problems
> with radio today then so be it. However, as engineers, you
> should be well versed on the technical drawbacks of this
> system as well. Perhaps you should investigate beyond what
> you read in Radio World and what iBiquity is telling you.
> The big corporate owners are backing IBOC because they have
> already spent a pile of money on equipment. But, the bottom
> line is whether Americans will be willing to junk their
> analog radios and shell out a considerable sum of money for
> the same content and a marginal sound quality difference. I,
> for one, highly doubt that will ever happen.
>
> BTW: My guess is that AM IBOC will never be
> implemented........
>


Bit of a leap here, no?

No one ever said this would solve all of radios troubles. And no one is asking for people to junk their radios.

I can buy an HD car stereo for $279. Not too far out of line for a decent car stereo.
 
Re: my twisted take on it....

> > "I have one of those Boston Acoustics receivers and I think
> > that it works far below the level of quality I would expect
> > for what this technology is purporting itself to be."
>
> Could you elaberate? It it a sensitivity issue with you or
> maybe not enough HD choices?

Yes, I can elaborate. It is a sensitivity issue. The number of
HD choices is immaterial.

> I also have the B.A. HD radio and I love mine. It's my bedside
> radio. I live in the NY market and we have 3 AM HD's and about
> 12 HD's on FM, many of whome are running 2nd channel audio,
> with WPLJ running three channels of HD. I have no trouble
> recieving them all cleanly and I am 25 miles from Midtown
> Manhattan.

If you were located in midtown Manhattan you would have different
results, particularly on the AM broadcast band. One of these BA
receivers was given to me as a gift. I am located in midtown
Manhattan with a good shot to the west across the Hudson river.
I have tried using outside AM antennas. Even so, i cannot always
lock onto WOR's HD channel, even when WOR's main signal sounds
and displays as being appropriately strong.

> > > "I am not an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the
> > > imagination but as much money as Ibiquity has soaked
> > > into this, there is no way another digital delivery
> > > is going to be accepted."
>
> I work for one of the major networks and am an engineer.
> IBOC is one method established broadcasters are using to
> provide more choices for the avilable audience.

My perception is that IBOC is the only method which established
broadcasters are using to provide more choices for the available
audience. I personally do not care for this technology,
particularly for AM which I consider to be inferior to what
could have been developed in this country but which was not
specifically because of Ibiquity's complete control over its
development and implementation and its subsequent suppression
of competing yet superior technologies.

> What makes you think IBOC won't be accepted? Give it time.
> Let's talk next year and see where we are.

You have a appointment! :)

> The money the powers behind IBOC have put into this system
> is dwarfed by the debt load of XM & Sirrius.

There is no doubt XM and Sirius have a higher debt load than
does Ibuiquity. You will get no argument from me there.

> > > We finally are getting a break from the multiple platform
> > > issues that caused the downfall of other technologies. Look
> > > what happened with stereo AM.
> >
> > "Which just goes to show us all, throw enough money at
> > something and you can convince people of anything."
>
> Let's see, It works for me, I get new formats otherwise not
> available in my market, no monthly charge, excellent audio
> quality on the FM 2 channels. Yep, I feel ripped off.

My primary objections to HD technology are as it is completely
controlled by a single entity (Ibiquity) and how it is
implemented in the AM broadcast band. I am sorry but I do
feel ripped off in these regards. Thank goodness I did not
actually pay for this radio, otherwise I would be considerably
more annoyed than I am now. :)

Cal
 
I didn't say that

> "I have one of those Boston Acoustics receivers and I think
> that it works
> far below the level of quality I would expect for what this
> technology
> is purporting itself to be."
>
> Could you elaberate? It it a sensitivity issue with you or
> maybe not enough HD choices? I also have the B.A. HD radio
> and I love mine. It's my bedside radio. I live in the NY
> market and we have 3 AM HD's and about 12 HD's on FM, many
> of whome are running 2nd channel audio, with WPLJ running
> three channels of HD. I have no trouble recieving them all
> cleanly and I am 25 miles from Midtown Manhattan.
>
>
> "I am not an IBOC proponent by any stretch of the
> imagination but as
> > > much money as Ibiquity has soaked into this, there is no
> way another
> > > digital delivery is going to be accepted."
>
> I work for one of the major networks and am an engineer.
> IBOC is one method established broadcasters are using to
> provide more choices for the avilable audience. What makes
> you think IBOC won't be accepted? Give it time. Let's talk
> next year and see where we are. The money the powers behind
> IBOC have put into this system is dwarfed by the debt load
> of XM & Sirrius.
>

I didn't say that IBOC wouldn't be accepted. I said that there is no way another digital delivery method is going to be accepted at this time, ie., DRE, EUreka 147 etc. because of the strong hold Ibiquity has on the market. Comparing Sat. radio to terretrial radio is ludacris, same when people try to compare High Def. TV to HD radio...no comparison can be done. TV is TV and radio is radio.
As loing as the creek don't rise I plan to be here next year and we can continue to discuss this subject but unfortunately, I may have the same opinion and that is, IBOC is the answer to the question nobody asked. Or the best solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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