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A little help from the pros....

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ChrisCody

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So here I am, stuck in Connecticut trying to move my radio career ( I use the term "career" very loosely) down south and away from these New England winters...Not sure I want to take it down as far as Florida, so I'm thinking "How about North Carolina?"....One of my prerequisites for any move though, is that there has to be a beach very close by. I LOVE THE BEACH, it's my happy place..Hmmmmmmmmm, North Carolina has beaches, some of the nicest in the country...
Today I see on Allaccess, that there are a couple openings ( well at least they're listed as such) at Thunder Country....So, what can anyone tell me about the radio climate in New Bern? Good radio market? I'm guessing it's a rather small market, so the pay can't be all that good ( but what radio job does pay well these days?)..How about New Bern and the surrounding area?..You got things to do? Just how mild ( if you would use that word) are your winters?...Any input or insight would be appreciated...


Chris Cody
 
New Bern is in a great area of North Carolina. Lots of history and interesting things to see and learn about in the region. You are not far from East Carolina University for a college atmosphere, and just a couple of hours from Raleigh (a good stop on the outdoor concert circuit).

Lots of beaches close by. Great fishing and SCUBA diving not far away. You would be about the middle of the NC coastline and a pretty east drive even to the Outer Banks and beaches to the South.

Climate is mild. Winters will occasionally get into the teens, but not for long periods and seldom does snow. Hurricanes are a bit of a bother, but New Bern is far enough from the ocean to not have the major impact of a storm. Summer can be hot, but that is what the beaches are for.

Good luck!
 
Let's not forget the nasty military towns (Jacksonville, Havelock) Morehead City that hasn't changed since 1993. Atlantic Beach that is so behind the times it's scary. Nothing to do, no where to hang out, and old money that will never die so nothing will ever be built there. Yeah great area if you want to do nothing. Sorry, but last time I was there, nothing had changed. And I doubt it ever will. Close it up, get everyone out and hit it with a category 5 hurricane, and maybe they will re build.
 
What happened? Get bounced out of the market? ENC is beautiful and there's tons to do. I loved walking to football games at ECU when I lived in Greenville, and hitting hte beach every other afternoon when I lived in New Bern.

Then sometimes heading to Beaufort to see the mega million dollar yachts, riding the world's largest speedboat, watching Sinbad's pirate ship fire canons at those million dollar yachts.
 
Nope didn't get kicked out. Just nothing to do there. Sorry, we shall disagree, but that place is a wasteland. And you have to drive through Kinston to get there (on 70) and that my my friend is the scariest part of all.
 
Those who suggest there is nothing to do in eastern NC just hasn't been paying attention! Too bad, Billy7 didn't enjoy the region - but his loss just means more for the rest of us!
 
Gotta agree with billy to some extent. It's certainly not the worst place to live, but it definitely has major drawbacks:

Every bar in town is full of jarheads looking to fight or fornicate. If they can't fornicate with your girl, then they'll fight you because of it.

No professional sports, and the college scene is weak at best. (Sorry, but if you're counting ECU games, you're hurtin' for some college sports.)

Jacksonville, Kinston, New Bern, Atlantic Beach, all tired, drab and depressing. As far as the yachts are concerned, I've just never been that fired up about going to look at something I'm never going to have. If that's what floats your boat (pun intended), then have at it. To say that people who complain about there being nothing to do haven't been paying attention, though, is a bit condescending. The things that you mentioned, while they may be fun to you, aren't necessarily what others consider a rip-roaring good time. Plus, besides the coastal area where folks with money, education, and superior attitudes tend to congregate, the rest of the area is farmland, and includes some prime examples of backwoods livin' at its finest. Places where reliable running water, phone and electrical service, and having sex outside the family are considered luxuries.

Being able to drive to Raleigh-Durham is a huge plus, though. Great music and art scene, great restaurants, lots of big-city amenities, and the ability to further your education at some really fine colleges. Driving to the Outer Banks is a push. Yes, they have beautiful beaches, but three out of the four seasons, you'll be fighting hordes of doofus tourists and dealing with disgruntled locals who can't wait for all the doofus tourists to leave so they can enjoy a little downtime. The Outer Banks are more overrated than possibly any other vacation spot on the East Coast (besides Myrtle Beach).

Fishing, hunting, scuba and surfing are all within minutes, but if you really want to move to Coastal Carolina, drive a little further and go to Wilmington. Still no sports scene, but a little more culture, some decent restaurants, a wee bit o' nightlife, and a little less of the (stereo) typical NC redneck atmosphere, with all the beach fun and hurricanes!

Winters are indeed mild, with occasional snowfall (unless you stray too far from the coast), and, as XTalker mentioned, while you'll get a couple of sub-freezing cold snaps (and the occasional bitter-as-hell nor'easter), you'll generally only have to deal with lows in the 40s through most of the winter. It gets very hot and humid in the summertime, but it does that pretty much everywhere in the continental U.S., so that's not a huge issue. Hurricane season is definitely scary if you're not used to it and get up close and personal with storms, which happens nearly every year in this neck of the woods. They might not hit us directly, but several of them will skirt the coast and trigger heightened watches and possible visits by The Weather Channel (The horror...the horror!).

Sorry to all the New Berners I've insulted, it wasn't my intent. I just think the Wilmington area has a lot more to offer, and I find it a more relaxing, fun place to live than the Pamlico Sound area. Good luck finding a home/career in the Tarheel State!
 
Well, Wilmington population 100,000 does have a bit more to do than New Bern population 20,000. That's a given. However, if you want to make a living, New Bern Market #89 pays quite a bit more than Wilmington Market #166. A big plus that ENC now has over Wilmington radio-wise is that the market pretty much is located in New Bern. Beasley is on Gleburnie dr., Inner Banks is on Glenburnie rd, and Next Media is around the corner just off Neuse. No more long trips to Kinston to go to work.

If you're a beach lover, hardly any beach public access beats the Pine Knoll Shores/Indian Beach Roosevelt reserve just south of Atlantic Beach. Lots of parking, a beautiful walkway, and plenty of space. On holidays, Wilmington beaches are as jammed with rednecks as any. PKS is empty, CLEAN, and wide. I went there July 4th weekend. There were about 20 people within sight.

I'm not sure where the bar rap comes from. Yeah, go to a bar in Jax or Havelock and son of a gun Marines will be there. Go to a bar in G'ville, and son of a gun students will be there with a smattering of guys to old for them.

ECU sports weak? Ask the kids at UNC, NC State and UVA how they feel about being beaten by a weak school. Perhaps John Bunting or Chuck Amato could address that issue from their greeters position at Wal Mart.

I guess I think the drawbacks presented are a little schizophrenic. You want a bar scene that's not full of jar heads but not full of wealthy folks. You want area universities that further the culture bearing of the area but somehow ECU doesn't count. You say it's farmland and yet the largest uncontested areas are nature preserves such as the Croatan or Goose Creek State Park. You want an uncrowded beach but seem to think the sand start and stops at Atlantic Beach. Ever go over to Shackleford to see the wild horses? I find it amazing that in supposed Redneck central ENC hundreds of campers go over every year and treat the pristine land with respect, leaving no litter. I go to a Wilmington beach and find that people believe the sand negates cigarette butts and trash.

I have to agree with X Talker. If you think ENC is a wasteland, you haven't been paying attention.
 
ENC is different from similar-size markets because there is no large central city (Mobile, Toledo) or core metro area (Charleston), but rather a collection of small cities--Greenville & Jacksonville, both at about 67,000--and a slew of small towns and rural counties. I wasn't there 30-some years ago at the beginning, but my recollection is that the radio market was created as a mirror of the television market (Greenville-New Bern-Washington) by the outfits holding big sticks in both radio & TV. WNCT & WITN? Hey, it made them a lot of money in television. Why not radio?

By creating a "Top 100 Market," they opened the floodgates for national & regional business that these stations would never see as separate smaller markets. And that money has filtered down to a higher salary structure than you'd normally see in small-town radio. So it worked. At least for those with Class C sticks.

So if you like small-town life, it's a great place to be. Better beaches than Toledo, for sure. And, putting aside any football/basketball loyalties, ECU has grown into a major university. With enrollment now at about 25,000, it's essentially the size of UNC-CH. In another decade ECU will likely be North Carolina's largest university. For those of us who think universities are a key ingredient to both economic and cultural life, ECU is a big deal.

Yankees spend millions every year to vacation in the market. That's a clue.
 
From what I remeber the New Bern mall (if you can call it that) had a K-Mart as it's big anchor store. Redneck nothing area. Glad I left it.
 
The market is the largest in the nation (land mass) and the pay is some of the worst! Unless you're a GM or sales manager that will be replaced with in a year or two. The talent fees are horrible and the drive time to remotes and events are unreal!!!!!!!! The New Bern, Greenville and Jacksonville market is sooooo bad! But like I've said, if you're a GM or Sales manager, then you can make some money. The jocks in that market are taken advantage of by the sales people at the radio stations and most of the PD's are little bitches who spend most of their time kissing managments asses with no backbone when it comes to programming. All of the companies are run by consultants in other parts of the United States who have no clue about that area.

It's not a place to move if you are between the age of 19-40 years of age, unless you plan on staying for a year to get experince but BEWARE!!!!! You'll be put to work so much, you won't have a chance to find another job....don't get sucked in!

This is from a 15 year survivor of The Eastern Carolina Market! Biggest mistake of my life!
 
I can't say with any authority how the Greenville/New Bern area is radio wise and/or lifestyle wise, since I've only driven through the area coming from or going to Myrtle Beach from the OBX. I just have to take issue with an earlier comment regording the Outer Banks. I don't think it's overrated in the least...maybe overpriced real estate and fewer affordable work force accomodations were factors in a previous post's diatribe, but after living all over (I did spend 30 plus years in radio), I have to say it's a great place with great people. It's growing and so are the opportunities. The radio's getting better, too. My 2 cents.
 
Anyone who thinks OBX is overrated should try hang gliding from Jockey's Ridge! That should change your tune!

The great thing about ECU football is you can get a ticket without having to give large amounts of money to the athletic fund - and get to see some high caliber teams (who occasionally leave the area with their tail between their legs).

I believe New Bern now has a Wal-Mart! Who cares about the Gap!
 
"The New Bern, Greenville and Jacksonville market Archway is sooooo bad! "

Just correcting your statement there.

And who gives a squat about the NB mall? I lived there for six years and maybe went there twice. New Bern is a rare town that has a thriving downtown that actually takes business from the big box chain stores, a trend every other city is trying depserately to copy.

So yeah, if you're a mall rat, then New Bern is not for you. If your idea of fine dining is TGIF's then New Bern is not for you.

I moved to ENC from a slightly larger market and made 10k more a year. After six years there, I stepped up to a top 10 market. Not a bad deal. Although I make here working at a network O&O what I made there. ENC was the most lucrative move I ever made, barely any cost of living, good money, lots to do.
 
The cost of living was GREAT in the mid to late 90's. Is that when you were there? It's like any other city now...possibly more expensive. Gas is higher then any other state...housing in New Bern is worse then Raliegh. 1 bedroom crap hole will cost you 800-1000 bucks a month. Real estate is through the roof and the places you're speaking of to dine at are not really that good. (my opinion)

The clients run the stations, the GM's kiss their ass and everything revolves around the clients.

I'm not sure if you're speaking of New Bern, NC or not????????

I think it would be a great place for someone over 40, with lots of money, who just wants to chill and not do much except enjoy life but I really think it's a HORRIBLE place for anyone who is young or young at heart.

The area will drain your soul if you're looking for something to do except go boating or going out to eat.

The movie theaters suck
The dance clubs suck
The bars suck
The locals are anti-social
The night life makes me want to cry
 
I'll take anywhere in NC over any spot north of the Mason-Dixon line any day of the week!
 
Understandable...It has it's positives. I just happen to want more out of where I live. That part of the world doesn't have much to offer me. :)
 
Gene Vanpatten said:
The clients run the stations, the GM's kiss their ass and everything revolves around the clients.

Really now, is that not just the way radio is everywhere?
 
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