A Little Perspective

[SirRoxalot]

Whew. I check back in after a couple of days of intermittently listening to CBS-FM on-line and find that the flame-throwers are still at it in NYC.

Let's look at a few of the realities of the CBS-FM switch:

1. If they get a 3.0 share 12+, they will outperform Jack's best numbers by a bunch. I find it hard to believe that the new format won't attract 3% of the people listening to the radio at any given time. CBS-FM has unique product because they are playing music unavailable elsewhere, better targeted to 40-49 year-olds than any other NYC station, with an energy unavailable on other stations targeting that age group.

2. They share less music with other stations than Jack did. They will have better TSL than Jack because they don't have as many train-wreck transitions, and the music has a more consistant "feel" than Jack ever did.

3. Songs that haven't been played in two years don't qualify as "burned to a crisp". They qualify as "missed".

4. Playing a lot of '50s on CBS-FM would be analagous to playing The Ames Brothers and/or Benny Goodman on WABC in 1970. There was a significant shift in music in the '60s that began with the Beatles. There are some timeless classics from the '50s - like "Summertime Blues" by Eddie Cochran - that fit in any era. Doo-Wop doesn't meet that criteria. In fact, Doo-Wop is a genre almost separate from '50s Rock 'N Roll that is more closely aligned with The Ames Brothers than "Summertime Blues". Even in the '50s, there was a difference between "pop" and "rock". People who liked Little Richard thought that Pat Boone remakes were pap. A lot of white kids didn't realize that Little Richard existed, and that Pat Boone was a real innovator. Remember, "race music" wasn't available everywhere.

5. "Album Cuts" are not anathema to a hit music station. Look at the surveys from WABC in 1970. Even they listed "album cuts" that were played on their air. A hit is a hit, no matter what the source. A hit is a song that the audience wants to hear, and that fits the "sound" of that radio station. I think that CBS-FM is doing a pretty good job of selecting hits from a broad era of music that appeals to a broader audience than the "old" CBS-FM.

6. Jocks are not "clutter" if they're adding live - and lively - entertainment and/or information to a radio show. Jock who are capable of creating a relationship with listeners will create better TSL, and better results for advertisers.

There are lots of challenges coming up for CBS-FM that could add urine to their punch bowl. When commercials start, the number of units & length of stopsets could annoy listeners. Tightening down the playlist too much, and not taking advantage of 20 years of hits to maintain a variety of music that fits the "sound" of the radio station would be a mistake in my opinion.

On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49, and I think they serve that audience better than any other station in the market. If 10% of that audience agrees with me, they would be a huge winner in NYC.

Whew! That turned into a rant, huh? I'll check back next weekend to see how crispy I am after the flamers get through.

 

[Radknowski]

On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49, and I think they serve that audience better than any other station in the market. If 10% of that audience agrees with me, they would be a huge winner in NYC.

What may be the most rational post on the board since CBS-FM flipped. We should all meet here in six months, after the Summer and Fall books to compare notes. In the meantime, I suspect the bomb-throwing will continue.

It will be interesting to find out with which stations CBS-FM shares audience. What were those stations three years ago? If it's high-cuming WLTW and Classic Rock Q-104, CBS-FM will likely do well. CBS-FM will probably be a second or third stop for WINS, WABC and WCBS-AM listeners as well.

 

[mikerock]

"On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49"

More like 50+, I am 41 and this stuff is before my time. JACK's music however hit my high school years and into my 20s+.

I do not mind old music and done right you can go all the way back to the 50s, 60s and 70s and make this stuff sound new again.
But CBS does not do that it sounds like a nostalgia station. That stuff along with the overall sound of the station now is better off saved for a Sundary morning nostalgia program.

Because they chose this route I do not believe they will last long term. Maybe a bump in numbers in this book because JACK had been improving and the publicity related to the format switch. Next book, likely will be flat and drop below JACK numbers slowly there-after.

 

[OldiesCat]

Whew. I check back in after a couple of days of intermittently listening to CBS-FM on-line and find that the flame-throwers are still at it in NYC.

Let's look at a few of the realities of the CBS-FM switch:

1. If they get a 3.0 share 12+, they will outperform Jack's best numbers by a bunch. I find it hard to believe that the new format won't attract 3% of the people listening to the radio at any given time. CBS-FM has unique product because they are playing music unavailable elsewhere, better targeted to 40-49 year-olds than any other NYC station, with an energy unavailable on other stations targeting that age group.

2. They share less music with other stations than Jack did. They will have better TSL than Jack because they don't have as many train-wreck transitions, and the music has a more consistant "feel" than Jack ever did.

3. Songs that haven't been played in two years don't qualify as "burned to a crisp". They qualify as "missed".

4. Playing a lot of '50s on CBS-FM would be analagous to playing The Ames Brothers and/or Benny Goodman on WABC in 1970. There was a significant shift in music in the '60s that began with the Beatles. There are some timeless classics from the '50s - like "Summertime Blues" by Eddie Cochran - that fit in any era. Doo-Wop doesn't meet that criteria. In fact, Doo-Wop is a genre almost separate from '50s Rock 'N Roll that is more closely aligned with The Ames Brothers than "Summertime Blues". Even in the '50s, there was a difference between "pop" and "rock". People who liked Little Richard thought that Pat Boone remakes were pap. A lot of white kids didn't realize that Little Richard existed, and that Pat Boone was a real innovator. Remember, "race music" wasn't available everywhere.

5. "Album Cuts" are not anathema to a hit music station. Look at the surveys from WABC in 1970. Even they listed "album cuts" that were played on their air. A hit is a hit, no matter what the source. A hit is a song that the audience wants to hear, and that fits the "sound" of that radio station. I think that CBS-FM is doing a pretty good job of selecting hits from a broad era of music that appeals to a broader audience than the "old" CBS-FM.

6. Jocks are not "clutter" if they're adding live - and lively - entertainment and/or information to a radio show. Jock who are capable of creating a relationship with listeners will create better TSL, and better results for advertisers.

There are lots of challenges coming up for CBS-FM that could add urine to their punch bowl. When commercials start, the number of units & length of stopsets could annoy listeners. Tightening down the playlist too much, and not taking advantage of 20 years of hits to maintain a variety of music that fits the "sound" of the radio station would be a mistake in my opinion.

On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49, and I think they serve that audience better than any other station in the market. If 10% of that audience agrees with me, they would be a huge winner in NYC.

Whew! That turned into a rant, huh? I'll check back next weekend to see how crispy I am after the flamers get through.

For the most part, very well stated Rox.

 

[OldiesCat]

"On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49"

More like 50+, I am 41 and this stuff is before my time. JACK's music however hit my high school years and into my 20s+.

I do not mind old music and done right you can go all the way back to the 50s, 60s and 70s and make this stuff sound new again.
But CBS does not do that it sounds like a nostalgia station. That stuff along with the overall sound of the station now is better off saved for a Sundary morning nostalgia program.

Because they chose this route I do not believe they will last long term. Maybe a bump in numbers in this book because JACK had been improving and the publicity related to the format switch. Next book, likely will be flat and drop below JACK numbers slowly there-after.

To whom you belive 50s music could be made to "sound new again"? To a few people who like to hear those songs in movies and TV shows, maybe in a commercial but not to everyday radio users. The amount of regular listening they'd add to a CBS-FM would be negligible and not worth the droves who'd be turned off by "Earth Angel" or "Da Doo Ron Ron" on a regular basis.

CBS-FM did the right thing by evaluating where the format is and is headed, not where it's been. I hate to break this news to many of you, but time cannot be reversed, no matter how much you wish it could be.

 

[mikerock]

"On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49"

More like 50+, I am 41 and this stuff is before my time. JACK's music however hit my high school years and into my 20s+.

I do not mind old music and done right you can go all the way back to the 50s, 60s and 70s and make this stuff sound new again.
But CBS does not do that it sounds like a nostalgia station. That stuff along with the overall sound of the station now is better off saved for a Sundary morning nostalgia program.

Because they chose this route I do not believe they will last long term. Maybe a bump in numbers in this book because JACK had been improving and the publicity related to the format switch. Next book, likely will be flat and drop below JACK numbers slowly there-after.

To whom you belive 50s music could be made to "sound new again"? To a few people who like to hear those songs in movies and TV shows, maybe in a commercial but not to everyday radio users. The amount of regular listening they'd add to a CBS-FM would be negligible and not worth the droves who'd be turned off by "Earth Angel" or "Da Doo Ron Ron" on a regular basis.

CBS-FM did the right thing by evaluating where the format is and is headed, not where it's been. I hate to break this news to many of you, but time cannot be reversed, no matter how much you wish it could be.

Then they should have stayed with JACK and brought in AOR personalities to talk up the music. Take out the rythmic tunes from JACK it would likely have beat Q104.3 in the ratings. The younger 80s, 90s and 00's rock generation is no longer represented in NY with the demise of JACK.

 

[NamJock]

Good post.

 

[adma]

4. Playing a lot of '50s on CBS-FM would be analagous to playing The Ames Brothers and/or Benny Goodman on WABC in 1970. There was a significant shift in music in the '60s that began with the Beatles. There are some timeless classics from the '50s - like "Summertime Blues" by Eddie Cochran - that fit in any era. Doo-Wop doesn't meet that criteria. In fact, Doo-Wop is a genre almost separate from '50s Rock 'N Roll that is more closely aligned with The Ames Brothers than "Summertime Blues". Even in the '50s, there was a difference between "pop" and "rock". People who liked Little Richard thought that Pat Boone remakes were pap. A lot of white kids didn't realize that Little Richard existed, and that Pat Boone was a real innovator. Remember, "race music" wasn't available everywhere.

I don't want to presently argue in futility on behalf of bringing the 50s back to CBS-FM, but, honestly--bundling Doo-Wop up with Pat Boone?!?!? You just earned yourself an F in rock history; back to the books you go.

On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49, and I think they serve that audience better than any other station in the market. If 10% of that audience agrees with me, they would be a huge winner in NYC.

No, they don't "serve that audience better than any other station in the market". Because it's an over-50 former-oldies-radio-square's fantasy of how 39-49 behaves.

As a result, its audience mean will more likely be on the far side than near side of 50; though I guess it's an over-50 that'll feel more hep and with-it with whippersnappers like Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen.

As for the actual impending reality of 39-49 in NYC...

 

[davideduardo]

I don't want to presently argue in futility on behalf of bringing the 50s back to CBS-FM, but, honestly--bundling Doo-Wop up with Pat Boone?!?!? You just earned yourself an F in rock history; back to the books you go.

The point was that, even in a narrow era, not everyone likes the same popular music.

As a result, its audience mean will more likely be on the far side than near side of 50; though I guess it's an over-50 that'll feel more hep and with-it with whippersnappers like Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen.

Given the core of the music, the likely median age of the listeners should be about 46, perfectly in the middle of 35-54, a big part of the sales demos.

 

[neo11]

Whew. I check back in after a couple of days of intermittently listening to CBS-FM on-line and find that the flame-throwers are still at it in NYC.

Let's look at a few of the realities of the CBS-FM switch:

1. If they get a 3.0 share 12+, they will outperform Jack's best numbers by a bunch. I find it hard to believe that the new format won't attract 3% of the people listening to the radio at any given time. CBS-FM has unique product because they are playing music unavailable elsewhere, better targeted to 40-49 year-olds than any other NYC station, with an energy unavailable on other stations targeting that age group.

12+ doesn't matter. How will it do in the demo breakdowns? Jack wasn't setting the world on fire there either but it did crack the top 10 25-54, probably skewing towards the younger end of that group. CBS-FM, even the new, updated version we're hearing now, will likely skew on the older side of the 25-54 scale.

2. They share less music with other stations than Jack did. They will have better TSL than Jack because they don't have as many train-wreck transitions, and the music has a more consistant "feel" than Jack ever did.

Partially true. Jack did have a larger playlist but it also did play many songs that other stations don't regularly play....especially from the 80s. CBS-FM does have a bit of overlap with stations like Lite FM. Not a bad strategy, really, as they are the top dog in NYC, but just setting the facts straight.

3. Songs that haven't been played in two years don't qualify as "burned to a crisp". They qualify as "missed".

The updated CBS-FM is also playing plenty of stuff from the 70s and 80's that's already been burnt to a crisp by the likes of Lite FM, KTU, the former Mix 102.7 and even a little bit by PLJ. Just because CBS-FM wasn't there to play many of those songs for two years doesn't mean no one else did.

4. Playing a lot of '50s on CBS-FM would be analagous to playing The Ames Brothers and/or Benny Goodman on WABC in 1970. There was a significant shift in music in the '60s that began with the Beatles. There are some timeless classics from the '50s - like "Summertime Blues" by Eddie Cochran - that fit in any era. Doo-Wop doesn't meet that criteria. In fact, Doo-Wop is a genre almost separate from '50s Rock 'N Roll that is more closely aligned with The Ames Brothers than "Summertime Blues". Even in the '50s, there was a difference between "pop" and "rock". People who liked Little Richard thought that Pat Boone remakes were pap. A lot of white kids didn't realize that Little Richard existed, and that Pat Boone was a real innovator. Remember, "race music" wasn't available everywhere.

I don't think anything fro the 50s would work in heavy rotation on CBS-FM.

5. "Album Cuts" are not anathema to a hit music station. Look at the surveys from WABC in 1970. Even they listed "album cuts" that were played on their air. A hit is a hit, no matter what the source. A hit is a song that the audience wants to hear, and that fits the "sound" of that radio station. I think that CBS-FM is doing a pretty good job of selecting hits from a broad era of music that appeals to a broader audience than the "old" CBS-FM.

6. Jocks are not "clutter" if they're adding live - and lively - entertainment and/or information to a radio show. Jock who are capable of creating a relationship with listeners will create better TSL, and better results for advertisers.

There are lots of challenges coming up for CBS-FM that could add urine to their punch bowl. When commercials start, the number of units & length of stopsets could annoy listeners. Tightening down the playlist too much, and not taking advantage of 20 years of hits to maintain a variety of music that fits the "sound" of the radio station would be a mistake in my opinion.

You make a lot of good points but you're contradicting yourself a bit regarding taking advantage of 20 years of hits. Not all "hits" fit in to the format on CBS-FM. If so, you get something like Jack FM was, and you described some of the segues as "train wrecks".

On the plus side, CBS-FM has taken dead aim at 39-49, and I think they serve that audience better than any other station in the market. If 10% of that audience agrees with me, they would be a huge winner in NYC.

Not sure about that. Not everyone that is 39-49 or any other arbitrary age group likes the same sort of music. That, and you have other established stations like 106.7 that are quite strong in those demos.

Whew! That turned into a rant, huh? I'll check back next weekend to see how crispy I am after the flamers get through.

 

[SirRoxalot]

History Lesson

I don't want to presently argue in futility on behalf of bringing the 50s back to CBS-FM, but, honestly--bundling Doo-Wop up with Pat Boone?!?!? You just earned yourself an F in rock history; back to the books you go.

An F in Rock history? Howso? Doo-wop and Pat Boone occupied the same era. Perhaps you need to look up a little Doo-Wop history, and familiarize yourself with the history of Pat Boone.

Yes, they were different musical styles, but the charts indicate that they shared significant audience in the 1954-1958 era. And, before you accuse me of it - I am not, and never have been a Pat Boone fan. Doo-Wop was a significant style in music history. Pat Boone and his watered-down version of real Rock & Roll faded faster than bad tie-dye.

As a result, its audience mean will more likely be on the far side than near side of 50; though I guess it's an over-50 that'll feel more hep and with-it with whippersnappers like Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen.

As for the actual impending reality of 39-49 in NYC...

Your NY Magazine article doesn't agree with the music testing or performance of radio stations in NYC. BTW, the "Peter Pan" syndrome is nothing new, and is hardly pervasive. The article is just one author's justification of his own "cooler than thou" lifestyle.

The funny thing is, we have some people complaining about "too much '80s" and "AOR cuts from the '80s" along side the "where's the '50s" crowd. You truly can't please everybody, can you.

It will be interesting to see who's right 6 months from now.

 

[Barry45RPM]

I have to admit, what they have been playing since Friday, has largely been played out and IS burnt, and they are repeating much too much stuff. With 4 decades of music to choose from they certainly have a vast library to choose from without delving into obscure tunes, or repeating so many played out tunes. If they dont begin tweaking the playlist within the next 10 days, maybe this time it will be us who drops them. Familiar Jingles from a great radio past with bad music, aint gonna "get back to the show".

 

[SirRoxalot]

Minor Quibbles

Just a couple of minor points re: your well though-out post.

12+ doesn't matter. How will it do in the demo breakdowns? Jack wasn't setting the world on fire there either but it did crack the top 10 25-54, probably skewing towards the younger end of that group. CBS-FM, even the new, updated version we're hearing now, will likely skew on the older side of the 25-54 scale.

The sweet spot for most buyers is 35-44 - old enough to earn decent money, and have a family that forces you to spend it. If you add 45-54, you get an audience that's more likely to use radio than the iPod generation, and who has more disposable income and 25-34. Either way, you get the 25-54 buys.

5. "Album Cuts" are not anathema to a hit music station. Look at the surveys from WABC in 1970. Even they listed "album cuts" that were played on their air. A hit is a hit, no matter what the source. A hit is a song that the audience wants to hear, and that fits the "sound" of that radio station. I think that CBS-FM is doing a pretty good job of selecting hits from a broad era of music that appeals to a broader audience than the "old" CBS-FM.

You make a lot of good points but you're contradicting yourself a bit regarding taking advantage of 20 years of hits. Not all "hits" fit in to the format on CBS-FM. If so, you get something like Jack FM was, and you described some of the segues as "train wrecks".

Please note that I said "A hit is a song that the audience wants to hear, and that fits the "sound" of that radio station."

The PD and/or MD have to select "hits" that fit the "sound of the radio station", not play all the hits from 1964-1989. That's a major difference that the Jack philosophy doesn't seem to ascribe to.

Whether their playlist is "burnt" or "played out" is a matter of opinion. We'll see if listeners agree over the next six months, and how well CBS-FM adjusts.

 

[davideduardo]

12+ doesn't matter. How will it do in the demo breakdowns? Jack wasn't setting the world on fire there either but it did crack the top 10 25-54, probably skewing towards the younger end of that group.

Jack had an average age of 43, so it was in the "older half" of 25-54.

CBS-FM, even the new, updated version we're hearing now, will likely skew on the older side of the 25-54 scale.

Based on other "classic hits" stations, CBS-FM should average 45 to 47... just a bit older than Jack was. The old CBS-FM had a 51 average age in its last full book.

The updated CBS-FM is also playing plenty of stuff from the 70s and 80's that's already been burnt to a crisp by the likes of Lite FM, KTU, the former Mix 102.7 and even a little bit by PLJ. Just because CBS-FM wasn't there to play many of those songs for two years doesn't mean no one else did.

It is more than a guess that CBS tested before launching. And it is likely that they found that the "brunt out songs" to people on message boards are actually the ones listeners to whatever we call CBS-FM today want to hear a lot.

Every time I hear about played out songs on these boards, I know that those songs are likely to be the biggest testing songs against the real audience.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

And it is likely that they found that the "brunt out songs" to people on message boards are actually the ones listeners to whatever we call CBS-FM today want to hear a lot.

Every time I hear about played out songs on these boards, I know that those songs are likely to be the biggest testing songs against the real audience.

So the real audience wants to hear Brown Eyed Girl again...and again...and again...?

What are we up to now, 8000+ plays? (And that's just in PHX!) ;D

It makes me either punch over to another station or shut it off, although it would be
much more pleasurable to run down to the station, dash over to the racks, yank out
the Audio Vault (hard drive, whatever) and smash it on the floor!

Of course, the jock would just go down to the music library, grab the Gold Disc
with Brown Eyed Girl on it and stuff it into the emergency CD player!

 

[adma]

Re: History Lesson

I don't want to presently argue in futility on behalf of bringing the 50s back to CBS-FM, but, honestly--bundling Doo-Wop up with Pat Boone?!?!? You just earned yourself an F in rock history; back to the books you go.

An F in Rock history? Howso? Doo-wop and Pat Boone occupied the same era. Perhaps you need to look up a little Doo-Wop history, and familiarize yourself with the history of Pat Boone.

Yes, they were different musical styles, but the charts indicate that they shared significant audience in the 1954-1958 era. And, before you accuse me of it - I am not, and never have been a Pat Boone fan. Doo-Wop was a significant style in music history. Pat Boone and his watered-down version of real Rock & Roll faded faster than bad tie-dye.

Well, duh. Of course they were part of the same era. But despite your "significant style" argument, you're bunching Doo-Wop and Pat Boone up in the "dated" pile, and bunching Elvis, Eddie Cochran et al in a "timeless classics" pile, even though *they* shared a lot of that same audience, too.

It doesn't make sense. No reputable rock historian can make sense of that; treating Doo-Wop as so almost-separate as to bunch it up more with Pat Boone than Elvis, even if it shares a "significant styleness" with Elvis.

And incidentally, that Doo-Wop link you offered is incredibly cheesy and amateurish. I can get a far, far, better-written and more authoritative history of the genre through various Rolling Stone-type rock history volumes.
On a count of that link alone, the F grade holds.

As a result, its audience mean will more likely be on the far side than near side of 50; though I guess it's an over-50 that'll feel more hep and with-it with whippersnappers like Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen.

As for the actual impending reality of 39-49 in NYC...

Your NY Magazine article doesn't agree with the music testing or performance of radio stations in NYC. BTW, the "Peter Pan" syndrome is nothing new, and is hardly pervasive. The article is just one author's justification of his own "cooler than thou" lifestyle.

It isn't "cooler than thou", it's better than thou, and it's beyond Peter Pan at this point and a harbinger of the future. And as I've suggested before, these are the people who, transposed back a generation, might have been the ad-buyer-sexy Eagles/Doobies/Mac Target #1 for AC radio. Now they (and those who advertise to them) are off-orbit.

If it "doesn't agree with the music testing or performance of radio stations in NYC"; well, maybe that's a sign of how far radio has fallen, and how inapt (and inept) it is to view everything through a radio-centric prism these days. (Ah well, if you're so blind as to plug a cheeseball 90s-looking doo-wop site...)

 

[davideduardo]

Re: History Lesson

If it "doesn't agree with the music testing or performance of radio stations in NYC"; well, maybe that's a sign of how far radio has fallen,

Why... since you got every fact in your "article" wrong... particularly the data about how music testing is done and what songs are tested... should we believe anything else that you write? Credibility centers on being truthful and not publishing or propagating false data, a thing which you have done.

 

[SirRoxalot]

Making the Grade

Well, duh. Of course they were part of the same era. But despite your "significant style" argument, you're bunching Doo-Wop and Pat Boone up in the "dated" pile, and bunching Elvis, Eddie Cochran et al in a "timeless classics" pile, even though *they* shared a lot of that same audience, too.

It doesn't make sense. No reputable rock historian can make sense of that; treating Doo-Wop as so almost-separate as to bunch it up more with Pat Boone than Elvis, even if it shares a "significant styleness" with Elvis.

"Significant style" arguement? What the Hell is that? As far as "making sense", I'm sure that I'm not alone in trying to make sense of pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook like that.

Please point out where I ever bunched Doo-Wop & Pat Boone as "dated", and put Elvis, Eddie Cochran, et al in a "timeless classics" pile. There's plenty of dreck from Elvis (et al) that doesn't stand the test of time. It's a rare '50s track that works with music from the post-1964 era. "Summertime Blues" by Eddie Cochran is one of them, probably because so many artist in later eras patterned music after that chord structure, instrumentation, and rhythm pattern. A programmer has to select music very carefully to make music from eras as disparate as the '60s and the '80 work together. That's what's known as a station's "sound".

And incidentally, that Doo-Wop link you offered is incredibly cheesy and amateurish. I can get a far, far, better-written and more authoritative history of the genre through various Rolling Stone-type rock history volumes.

You're obviously an expert on "cheesy and amateurish". Don't confuse style and substance. The site may not be slick, but the info is accurate.

On a count of that link alone, the F grade holds.

Oooh. Does that mean that it goes on my "permanent record"? You don't appear to be qualified to be dispensing grades to anybody. Try again when you can write a concise, well-reasoned post that demonstrates that you have mastered basic reading comprehension and you can express yourself understandably.

It isn't "cooler than thou", it's better than thou, and it's beyond Peter Pan at this point and a harbinger of the future.

Oh, thank you Oracle of Delphi, and Arbiter of "Cheeseball". Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.

 

[adma]

Re: History Lesson

If it "doesn't agree with the music testing or performance of radio stations in NYC"; well, maybe that's a sign of how far radio has fallen,

Why... since you got every fact in your "article" wrong... particularly the data about how music testing is done and what songs are tested... should we believe anything else that you write? Credibility centers on being truthful and not publishing or propagating false data, a thing which you have done.

And hasn't "propagating false data" been an accusation typically lobbed at conservative talk radio? Which the the forces of the latter have typically excused off as "entertainment"?

 

[Lando Griffin]

The new WCBS jingles should sing: "W-C-B-S. we have a safer playlist than Jack, thanks to the new suits!"