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A New Beginning

"The Old West Comes Alive On New Mexico Main Street"

This was the headline in newspapers around the country after the first promotion I was involved in, in the fall of 1964.

I had been on the air a month or so, when I was asked to go to the Western wear store at 2nd & Main on Saturday morning, and do a couple of phone call-ins an hour. The first 50 people to show up on horseback got a new, shortsleeve snap pocket, yoke cut western shirt. (Value: $6.95 HA! HA!) Well, when I got there at 8:30 on Saturday morning, there were 150 horses on main street and the headline above followed, with pictures to boot. Aah, the power of Radio. -John-
 
John Mack Flanagan, Its great to hear you are doing well ! I was always listening to you at KFRC ,you had that radio voice and you added alot to the music , more than just playing the record!!! After listening to you on every station you were at ,You really livened up 93.3 KYA in 1990 , when you replaced Jeff Young!! He was burned out,you could tell!! I still have the KYA T- shirt I won from you in 1991!!!As KYA went thru all changes in 92 and 93 it was quite a time for listeners to keep up !!! Who's Where? As KYA93.3 was bought out by KFRC in 1994 ,and went to Young Country I couldnt believe it! Now with KFRC out of the picture, It would be great to have John Mac Flanagan ,Chris Edwards( THE REAL ONE) not the phony one at KYA!! I wish you could have got that KYA stream he has! You are alot more knowledgable than this imposter!! It would be nice to see KYLD 94.9 give up that format!! The Bay Area deserves Quality radio and some oneshould realize the talent thats out there! It would be great to have Celeste Perry, Mucho Morales, and Candi Chamberlin all at a new station !! One other Music Expert from your past J. Parker Antrim!! Back ni 1981 KCBS FM 97.3 had a great format , I was sorry to see KRQR take that over! One more thing in 1976 ,I went to Matthews TV AND Appliance 6400 Mission St. and had a AM-FM Pioneer cassette put in my 1964 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport, so I could also enjoy KFRC FM 106.1 They had a oldies format, not 2 weeks later they changed the format!! Theres nothing etched in stone in life, especially radio!! That 40 watt stereo still sounded great ,on a warm day around the Bay cruising around in My 1964 Chevy Impala Super Sport,Windows down ,volume up and we had you, Rick Shaw, Chuck Buell,and Marvelous Mark McKay!! Those were the days ,the simple 70 s !!! Days I thought would never end!! I hope you get a RADIO OFFER John, and some of your EX KFRC DJ s wind up with you ! Oh one more Legend Big Tom Parker, He went to KYUU 99.7 in 1979 and never heard him again!! thanks for all the Great Radio you provided, Radio is alot different now, Me I prefer 60 s and 70s Radio and the men and women who were on the Radio!! Kenny in Concord
 
Hi XM just an update for you on Big Tom Parker, yes he left KFRC in 1979 to do Mornings on KYUU later being replaced by Don Bleu, KYUU Programming moved Don Bleu from Afternoons to Mornings bumping Parker to Afternoons on KYUU.

In 1982 Mike Phillips who hired Parker at KYUU would take over K101 Programming and replace Bobby Ocean with Tom Parker for Mornings, Jeff Mcneal would join KYUU for afternoons.

In 1984 Mike Phillips jumps from K101 to KFRC replacing Gerry Cagle and brings his K101 buddies with him, Phillips moves Sue Hall to late nights and replaces Sue with Chuck Browning "The Chucker" Sue would soon leave KFRC after this to join Gerry Cagle and Mark Mckay in Kansas City and Big Tom Parker takes on 3pm to 7pm replacing the 'The Slim One" who ends up doing well in LA at KKHR.

During this KFRC stop Big Tom would actually end up filling in for Dr Don for almost a month and half as Dr Don had a accident when he slipped on a Bannna Peel outside the 415 Bush Street Studios and was layed up again in bed and KFRC's Chief Engineer Phil Lerza would again build a studio in Dr Don's home so he could broadcast from his bed similiar to his early 70's Broadcast from his bed while in a body cast.

KFRC is on its last leg at this point and Parker would leave 610 in 1986 just after the 20th Anniversary weekend to move back to Portland, Oregon where his kids lived.

Bobby Ocean would return to KFRC replacing Parker in afternoons under the programming of Dave Sholin.

Once in Portland, Parker joined the top 40 station in Portland when the Zoo things were still a big deal and has been in Portland ever since on several different stations including Morning Talk Radio, Parker had got his feet dirty with TV in the bay area cohosting and filling in for people are Talking, AM San Fransisco, Evening Magazine and other San Franscisco TV projects, since in Portland Tom has been involved with the Portland TV market aswell.
 
It's only my opinion, and I shouldn't even be writing this (why give it away?) but what radio needs is a BIG format. I don't mean K-BIG, I mean BIG SOUND! Ump-pah jingles, Big Voices, Big Tunes, Big commercials, everything BIG. I spoke to Mike Preston about this several years ago. I visited a friend in L.A. who was dying in 2002, and K-EARTH was BIG! "From the Entertainment Capital of America"...(jingle)K-EARTH 101" it's the only way to fight ipods, mp3's, and cd's. Why can't radio do it right? Do you know how much bad radio I've heard since the KOMA "Kissing Tone" (1962-64)? I saw Gary Gears mentioned on a post somewhere, that guy had a huge voice. WLS in the 60's HUGE! When will radio wake-up? Arrogant B-S**T. I'm sick of it. Oh, my ipod is charged up, gotta go. I wanna hear Hank Snow... -John-
 
Well John it's a nice Idea, but the hard truth is this...No one wants to spend the money. The last time it worked well was the 60's. The Big Voices sound like cartoons to the new audience for radio. The Big Jingles cost a fortune...So much easier to just by a package and Insert YOUR CALL LETTERS HERE. And the Music? where the hell are you gonna get that? It seems to be lyric and Idea free lately.

Now don't go saying it can be an oldies station...The Owners and advertisers arent interested in anyone over 50...Oh sure we have most of the money, but you see 28 year olds are making the Media Buys. The big voices like yours and Ocean are only used for liners and sweepers now. Yes we grown up radio pros have become caracatures to the NEW Radio. Too Old, Too Talented (You can't be Controlled) and to expensive. The sadest thing I saw this year was a guy in his late 50's standing in an empty studio rehearsing a liner card. True Story.

Oh and Big Commercials, that ship has sailed too. Now anyone with a mic and an editing program is a Commercial Producer and Voice Over Guy. It is sad that our business has turned into fringe area ShowBiz. The last great bay area radio station
is KGO. Still run by pros, Luckoff and Swanson, but, with thw full knowledge that their new owners will most likely starve it to death. I'm sure the only department
that will expand is the sales dept.

You see JMF, they have stopped respecting the Radio Business, and the people who made it great. The attitude now is Anyone can do radio...When your done typing the letter come over and read this commercial...It's all about the stock holders or the next sale, the next quarter. And I must say that everytime I listen to music radio I am convinced that as long as your willing to work for $15.00 an hour you can be on radio too.

John you have come to the end of memory lane...The sign post up ahead reads
Thanks for the memories...But we don't Need you any more...we found someone cheaper and more flexable...Now that I think of it, they should put that on a liner card.

I'm sure in some glass and steel tower somewhere, a guy in a $3000.00 suit is
telling the Board of Directors "We think we've found a way to do it without People or Ideas... We'll save a fortune ! And We'll make a fortune too...and the listeners? Who care about them?"
 
There's just one thing wrong about what you just said Production Boy: It's not the stations that don't care about the listeners! The listeners don't care about the stations! And its going to get a lot worse for them too! The listeners will be the winners and the station owners will just continue to chase their collective a$$es just as they are already! The listeners have all the music they can shake an
I-Pod, Satellite radio, CD player or computer mouse at and can hear all their favorite music "Old And New" at the touch of a button over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over........Infinity!!!!!

Radio is going to have to reinvent its self sooner rather than later! Got any idea's?

Funny thing about life's big bright spotlight: You have to keep it focused on what your doing to succeed, and radio has forgotten how to do that and now the spotlight is fading getting ever dimmer with each passing year as the choices for us continue to grow more plentiful! And the number of loser stations these mega broadcasters own become a dead weight dragging them down into the abyss!

I hate to say it, (and I thought I never would) but, Radio as we knew it is a "Has-Been" Its time as a major player in life's spotlight is over musicly! Go Figure! I remember friends in radio that only made $3.50 and hour and would have done it for free just for the fun of doing so!
 
Consider that Production Boy is at a spoken word station...and listening to the same spoken word over and over is worthless...it's all issue and current events driven. Great talk hosts with great topics and callers are doing fine, and thus far, the iPod phenom has only acted as a time shifting device on the order of Tivo. Although their listeners skew older, the 20-something media buyers are still throwing millions of dollars at KGO...
 
RadioStarOne said:
There's just one thing wrong about what you just said Production Boy: It's not the stations that don't care about the listeners! The listeners don't care about the stations! And its going to get a lot worse for them too! The listeners will be the winners and the station owners will just continue to chase their collective a$$es just as they are already! The listeners have all the music they can shake an
I-Pod, Satellite radio, CD player or computer mouse at and can hear all their favorite music "Old And New" at the touch of a button over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over........Infinity!!!!!

Radio is going to have to reinvent its self sooner rather than later! Got any idea's?

Funny thing about life's big bright spotlight: You have to keep it focused on what your doing to succeed, and radio has forgotten how to do that and now the spotlight is fading getting ever dimmer with each passing year as the choices for us continue to grow more plentiful! And the number of loser stations these mega broadcasters own become a dead weight dragging them down into the abyss!

I hate to say it, (and I thought I never would) but, Radio as we knew it is a "Has-Been" Its time as a major player in life's spotlight is over musicly! Go Figure! I remember friends in radio that only made $3.50 and hour and would have done it for free just for the fun of doing so!

Radio One you are correct...And can you blame the listener? Ignorant people on the air.
Formats that come out of a box (Movin...Please). If I want music I'm not gonna wade through Spots that tell me they don't Play as many spots, Or DJ that don't know how to pronounce street names...I'll just go to my CD Player or IPod and listen to the Music without the dubious entertainment. I Know John and would listen to him cause he was a great entertainer, the music was good too. Can't say I listen to any music station for
either of those things today. They think that the next gimmic is gonna save radio.
The "NEW COKE" Theory I guess. You don't build a great radio station with a formula
you got out of the trades..You build a Great Radio Station with your Heart and Ears and
that feeling you get in your Gut when you know it's working. It's that same feeling the listeners get when they hear a great station.

I cannot think of one radio station in this town that has any BUZZ...
It's been years since anyone has said to me "Did you hear what (Fill in the Name) said on his show today." And I'm talking about music radio now, not spoken word (talk)

The names I could fill in were John Mack, Don Sherwood, Dr. Don, Tom Parker, Frank Dill, Jim Lange...etc.

Now we got guys in Portland and NY and LA doing generic B'cast that have nothing to do with the Bay Area, and Radio Owners who actually think we are stupid enough not to know the difference.
 
SFStatic said:
Consider that Production Boy is at a spoken word station...and listening to the same spoken word over and over is worthless...it's all issue and current events driven. Great talk hosts with great topics and callers are doing fine, and thus far, the iPod phenom has only acted as a time shifting device on the order of Tivo. Although their listeners skew older, the 20-something media buyers are still throwing millions of dollars at KGO...


Sadly SF Static those 20 somthing media buyers only throw money cause we can't be denied, lots of audience lots of time spent listening...We got numbers. But the buys are for Big Kid Toys...Lexus, BMW Investments, Mortgages, Upscale Homes etc. $$$$ and
the Local Advertising is fighting to get on because they know the audience will respond.

The lower end (age) gets more money (media buys) because Beer, Saturns and Movies, fast food have more of a following...Less expensive Toys... but more people buying them.

Just My Opinion: I don't hear as much local advertising on Music Radio, perhaps because the current trend is to warn listeners that ads are comming and that we play less of them, or at least shorter versions.
Sooooo Why would I want to spend my local dollars on a station that esentially told my potential clients to Tune Away Now, Or that what you are gonna hear is Not Important.

What the hell happened to my business? It used to be fun. I worked my first job for $2.50 an hour. I gave them about 20hrs for free...Cause it was FUN.
 
John Mack Flanagan ,Bay Area Radio Needs Help!!Your A 100% right it needs Help!!Take last year, for example KFRC Switches format on Labor Day weekend, and "Bobby Oceans" voice over is gone!! KFRC made a huge mistake getting rid of him!!! His "Top of the Hour Jingle " was excellent, KFRC and that new Format sent me to XM! The jingle @ The Top Of the hour @XM sixties channel is so "Perfect" Its Sounds like 1260 KYA ( ANOTHER HOUR OF MUSIC,POW ,POW POWER "The Beatles" Channel 2 KTVU got rid of Charlie Van Dyke , he did the "Voice Over" for the 10 O"clock news, probably a cost cutting measure!! Why is it that a Top Rated Radio and Bay Area TV station wants "LOW RATED" talent? I really would like to see someone do a "OLDIES" station here!! I wonder where James Gabbert is? This Guy could do a Radio Station easily, He did TV 20, and that was a great station with "HIGH ENERGY" and All his EX KIOI DJ s working for TV20!! If James Gabbert reads this , Buy 1260 AM ,turn it back to KYA ,and hire John Mack Flanagan!! Get Real Radio back in the Bay Area!! James Gabberts A millionaire he can afford it!! Kenny in Concord
 
Jim Gabbert doesnt need the aggravation. He is doing his thing,playing with his toys and fills in on KGO only when he wants to. He has done his time and is enjoying life the way he wants to.

Cant really blame him.
 
Wow! I never really expected the responses I got to this posting. Of course you're right. There's no market for a BIG format (voice,jingles,music,commercials) or for a Free Form FM format, or a MOR full service format, that's why there aren't any. If you scan the dial, you'll see most stations are chasing the 18-34 demo with tight programming and no interruptions. Of course I'll remind you once again, the only place we heard Elvis, The Everly Brothers, Roy Orbison was KOMA, in my hometown at night. There weren't a lot of stations with the Kissing Tone, and I'm glad. Who wants memories of many stations when that one is locked in your mind? 36 of us in Phoenix played "You're So Vain", Carly Simon. 36! Somewhere, someone has a scrambled mind from all those signals. Well, I have the memories, that's more than most. -John-
 
I find it interesting that "production boy" needed to jump in here and hijack this thread
with his cliches and negatives. There is a reason we pay you guys 40-60k and keep
you in the back of the building, doing your little imaging and tags. The moment the
production guys start calling the shots, is when hell freezes over.
 
If you think Production Boy is pulling down only 40-60 k, you sir are an idiot!
 
Sadly, based on a lot of the market these days, he wouldn't be that far off throwing out $40 to $60K. A lot of people might be amazed at what a top major market powerhouse pays their production folks...nevermind their top-rated talent. A friend of mine imaged for KYUU back in the late 80's and made a lot more than that. He worked 2 hours a day, and quit because he was bored. (And later regretted it.)
 
Martinezguy, what an excellent job on the Big Tom Parker bio! I'd forgotten 60% of that. (Mornings at KIOI?!?) I've got a Big Tom Parker story, but first a couple of things: (or, several things actually...) I reported 36 (!) of us (stations) playing "You're So Vain" by Carly Simon in Phoenix. It was 8. Sorry. I know Buck Owens probably liked the song, but there's no way he'd play it on KNIX! (HA! HA!) I'll be 60 years old in 3 weeks and the mind fails from time to time. I'm proud of being 60. Never thought I'd live to be 40! Former profession (radio disc jockey) at 17, married at 18, drafted into the U.S. Army at 19, Vietnam at 21, my daughter Kelly at 26, well, life as we know it was over when I hit KFRC at age 26! When you download "Who's That Lady" by the Isley brothers, you'll only get parts 1 & 2. That's Ernie Isley on screaming guitar. I saw the Isley Brothers two years ago at the Solano County Fair in Vallejo and Ernie is something! Plays guitar behind his head, with his teeth, he's cool. Very Cool. A co-worker in my current profession (High Rise Security) asked me yesterday:"I thought you were going to quit posting?" Well, you know, it's good for the mind to relive this stuff. Gets it out of you. So, if it's o.k., I'll carry on?

Big Tom Parker story: We're alone in KFRC jock office, Tom is disturbed and distressed. Pacing the floor, very nervous...He finally says, "Don't know if I did the right thing today? I sent a telegram to John Wayne at Cedars-Siani Hospital in L.A." (The Duke was dying of cancer.) "I told him how much he means to me". I said, "Tom, it's a wonderful thing. Not for him, but for you". (grasshopper) -John-
 
KWSS, San Jose really did represent "A New Beginning". I'd lived through four back-to-back Billboard Station of the Year awards at KFRC (1975-78), I was one of 5 finalists for Billboard Disc Jockey of the Year 1978, and 5 1/2 years at KCBS-FM/KRQR (The Rocker). I was back with the hits! "That's What Friends Are For" - Elton, "Take On Me" - A-HA. One day in early 1986, a check arrives with my name on it (that's a good thing) for $1,000. No taxes, just a check for $1,000. I asked, "What's this for?" and was told, being number 1 in my time period in the 18-34 demo. Cool. 3 months later, another check, BANG! Wow, an extra grand cash every three months, I like this! Then nothing for 2 1/2 years ( I forgot about it...) then, BANG! BANG! BANG! What to do with the money? Well the first check I bought gold. Jewlery. A large gold nugget ring, Jesus head nugget necklace, and a pinky ring I wear to this day, on my right little finger. (21 years later). The second check I took my Mom, Wife and Daughter to Hawaii on my Mom's Birthday. My Mom had always spoken of The Islands. It was the greatest time of our life. I started a broadcast school in San Jose with #3, and #4 & #5 went into the Baptist Credit Union. (I'm an American Baptist Deacon). For my 50th Birthday ten years ago November 15th (Yikes!) I wanted something special. Really special. Special, Special. Since I was named after cowboy movie star Johnny Mack Brown (no Johnny, please!) I decided on an autographed picture of another cowboy star: John Wayne. And I see it everyday. There are good things in Radio. I swear there are. I wouldn't trade my time at KWSS for anything. I've been one lucky guy, my friend; one lucky guy. -John-
 
I agree with Mr. 1069KIFR, John. Keep your posts coming. You are providing fascinating radio history, not to mention the thoughts and ideas of one of the Bay Area's best radio personalities (yourself). Personally, I don't mind Production Boy venting - it must be hard to be a professional and see the business change so much. And as a fellow 50+ year old, it's sad to see the formats that played music from our youth slowly disappear. It seems to be happening faster as advertisers continue to ignore anybody over 49. Who do they think are buying those Lexuses, expensive vacations, and prescription drugs??

On the other hand, I like to remember that people have always complained about radio. I still remember my mother - who listened to radio for many hours a day - being upset the day her favorite M-O-R station changed formats to become yet ANOTHER Los Angeles Top 40 station. The station was KHJ, about 1965. In the early 70s, it was fasionable for all of us hippie types to hate Top 40 radio with all those tacky jingles and loud DJs. We wanted back to back songs with less formatting, less commercials, and only mellow DJs who didn't talk so much. Top 40 was so mainstream, we didn't realize how much FUN those stations were. Now we realize it, in hindsight. So maybe the radio industry adapted to our wants, in a way - though we didn't get less commercials, they just started lumping them together into 7 minute blocks.

Now we complain about the huge radio corporations. But back then, I remember radio pros complaining about the miserable rich businessman owner of their station who was always hanging around, meddling in the format, and made his ignorant no-account son the Program Director. I remember a story about a DJ, new at a station who was told by his new PD - "rent, don't buy." ...the implication being that he wouldn't be at the station for very long. Some things don't change.
 
Lkeller said:
We wanted back to back songs with less formatting, less commercials, and only mellow DJs who didn't talk so much. Top 40 was so mainstream, we didn't realize how much FUN those stations were. Now we realize it, in hindsight. So maybe the radio industry adapted to our wants, in a way - though we didn't get less commercials, they just started lumping them together into 7 minute blocks.

Llew:
As usual, you hit it right on the head. The industry has simply responded to what the listeners have been telling them they want...and they've been doing it for a long time.
In 1965, Disc Jockeys with tons of talent and longevity in the market were stopping after every record to play a commercial and talk over no music on KFWB and KRLA. Bill Drake took over your mom's favorite radio station, KHJ, reined in the jock talk, ran two and sometimes three comercials (two :30s and a :10) back-to-back, enabling a few two and three-record sweeps per hour...and was number one in six months...while playing the same songs KFWB and KRLA were...just fewer of them (30 instead of 50 currents).
The sad truth is that, outside of us radio freaks, the average listener doesn't care much about disc jockeys. They're there for the music. The more music, the better. So the single-spot cluster that evolved to a triple-spot 70 second break under Drake became a two-minute cluster in the 70s...so there could be three and four (and five and six) songs in a row.
The audience said "more"....and the clusters went to three, four and more minutes...allowing eight, nine and ten in a row.
And when you promise the audience "Forty minutes of non-stop music"....they believe that means no jingles, no IDs, no sweepers...they hear those as commercials...for the radio station. And the DJ is percieved as an interruption, too.
The truly great jocks (John Mack Flanagan is certainly one of them...Bobby Ocean, Dr. Don Rose and a large number of KFRC alum are others), broke through and are memorable because they made a connection with the segment of the audience that did care about the disc jockey, and surprisingly, with a few who didn't think they did, while the format still allowed it.
But true radio lovers are seriously outnumbered by everyday radio users. And on those rare occasions when they'll hear an old-school 60s or 70s presentation (on an oldies station, or XM, or through friends like you and me who have airchecks on CDs in the car), they'll have their "Oh, wow...that was fun." moment. But it's clearly yesterday. Leave them to their own devices and they'll tune away within the hour. They don't want it as a part of their daily life again any more than they want the haircut or clothes they had then. Now they've got jobs, kids, a cellphone that won't stop ringing and they want traffic every ten minutes on the nines, forty minutes of music (I know...can't have both...but they've been getting their way for 40 years now) and a jock who sounds "friendly" (definition: no lower register and a careless approach to enunciation), but never actually says anything they have to think about or react to. That's what talk radio is for.
God, I miss KFRC and John Mack Flanagan.

---Michael Hagerty
 
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