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A new low for Rush Limbaugh (if that's not redundant)...
- Thread starter Holland Cooke
- Start date
There has been frequent usage of the whole government-as-a-car metaphor lately.
Wow, these media tweaks work.
RE "Wow, these media tweaks work."
Affiliates note: It's not just the media Limbaugh's "tweaking."
Rep. Clyburn's daughter is AN FCC COMMISSIONER:
http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/clyburn/
Affiliates note: It's not just the media Limbaugh's "tweaking."
Rep. Clyburn's daughter is AN FCC COMMISSIONER:
http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/clyburn/
I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC was used to go after political enemies in this day and age. Hope not since I was the closest one to the dump button when said tweak happened.
Having said that, when looked at in context, not only is this not offensive, it's 100% right. Clyburn is getting the shaft by his own party. It brings up a larger issue of groups being taken advantage of by political parties.
Having said that, when looked at in context, not only is this not offensive, it's 100% right. Clyburn is getting the shaft by his own party. It brings up a larger issue of groups being taken advantage of by political parties.
Somebody posts a link to his own article. Sounds like a way to build hits to article.
It might also help if the poster said what he finds "a new low" and why. A little full disclosure would help, too. Is Rush in competition with any of his clients? What is his relationship with the Daily Kos, a leading liberal political website, or any other liberal groups or broadcasters?
Sorry but this all smacks of ax grinding, not that there's anything wrong with that.
It might also help if the poster said what he finds "a new low" and why. A little full disclosure would help, too. Is Rush in competition with any of his clients? What is his relationship with the Daily Kos, a leading liberal political website, or any other liberal groups or broadcasters?
Sorry but this all smacks of ax grinding, not that there's anything wrong with that.
We did NOT rehearse this, right?
AND to invite those-of-us-here, inside-the-radio-box, to join-the-conversation outside-the-box. There IS an outside-the-box y'know, right?
Beyond how self-evidently hateful what-Limbaugh-has-done-is is how consistent it is with the roiling hate speech AND EXPLOITATION THEREOF that Limbaugh and Glenn Beck make millions on.
Perhaps you heard hypocrite Beck on Friday. In his mock-shocked delivery, he couldn't even bring himself to play-the-audio-of the-video-he-promoted-as-available-for-viewing-on-his-web-site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnm_cSgPzmM
I'm thinkin' you're new here, because I've posted the following SO many times that many readers here can recite this aloud. So here goes...
At work, I'm agnostic.
I'm working for the client station.
That doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.
In fact, I have two:
If, in any given market, my client is the Limbaugh station, he's the biggest star on radio.
If, in any given market, my client competes with Rush, he's the biggest buffoon on radio.
Remember in "The Fugitive?"
Harrison Ford hollers, "I didn't kill my wife!"
Tommy Lee Jones hollers back, "I don't care!"
Same as yours, post there if you have something to inject-into-the-conversation.
Here's one from the archives that REALLY threatened the Rush wanna-be's:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/17/783621/-Will-Talk-Radios-Dog-Whistle-Spark-New-Violence
Business is business, but conscience is personal.
WHY CAN'T WE AMERICANS be more-like those Chileans during the mining disaster-turned-rescue? They all sang their national anthem together. A far cry from what-you'll-see/hear-in-that-video.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
www.SurvivalSpeech.com
MattParker said:
AND to invite those-of-us-here, inside-the-radio-box, to join-the-conversation outside-the-box. There IS an outside-the-box y'know, right?
MattParker said:
Beyond how self-evidently hateful what-Limbaugh-has-done-is is how consistent it is with the roiling hate speech AND EXPLOITATION THEREOF that Limbaugh and Glenn Beck make millions on.
Perhaps you heard hypocrite Beck on Friday. In his mock-shocked delivery, he couldn't even bring himself to play-the-audio-of the-video-he-promoted-as-available-for-viewing-on-his-web-site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnm_cSgPzmM
MattParker said:
I'm thinkin' you're new here, because I've posted the following SO many times that many readers here can recite this aloud. So here goes...
At work, I'm agnostic.
I'm working for the client station.
That doesn't mean I don't have an opinion.
In fact, I have two:
If, in any given market, my client is the Limbaugh station, he's the biggest star on radio.
If, in any given market, my client competes with Rush, he's the biggest buffoon on radio.
Remember in "The Fugitive?"
Harrison Ford hollers, "I didn't kill my wife!"
Tommy Lee Jones hollers back, "I don't care!"
MattParker said:
Same as yours, post there if you have something to inject-into-the-conversation.
Here's one from the archives that REALLY threatened the Rush wanna-be's:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/17/783621/-Will-Talk-Radios-Dog-Whistle-Spark-New-Violence
Business is business, but conscience is personal.
WHY CAN'T WE AMERICANS be more-like those Chileans during the mining disaster-turned-rescue? They all sang their national anthem together. A far cry from what-you'll-see/hear-in-that-video.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
www.SurvivalSpeech.com
I guess all the available spots on the radio stations were sold out?Talk_Dude said:
How is this "hateful"? A prominent black congressman is being screwed over by his own party's leadership, who happen to be white. If there is anything "racist" or "hateful" being done here, it's in Washington. Not on the radio.
Swap the names Jim Boehner and Eric Cantor for Nancy Pelosi and Stenny Hoyer, and this would be the lead story on every newscast for the next month. Ed Schultz would be screaming out violent threats like he did to Dick Cheney.
Anyone who is "offended" by this is letting their agenda get in the way of reason.
Swap the names Jim Boehner and Eric Cantor for Nancy Pelosi and Stenny Hoyer, and this would be the lead story on every newscast for the next month. Ed Schultz would be screaming out violent threats like he did to Dick Cheney.
Anyone who is "offended" by this is letting their agenda get in the way of reason.
RE How is this "hateful"?
Clearly, you and I were raised differently.
And it's obvious that you never had Mrs. Krause for junior high English, or you would've put the question mark INSIDE the quotation mark close.
And I suspect you mean "John Boehner," who's dang-near of-color.
This malarkey about "it's in Washington. Not on the radio" is what we heard from Limbaugh apologists apropos "Barack The Magic Negro." "RUSH didn't come up with that," they recited. Someone wrote it in a newspaper somewhere, we were told. As though someone-at-a-newspaper recorded a parody song and played it 600 times on 600 stations. Please.
And as for sinister, beady-eyed Cheney:
http://www.fairgame-movie.com/
Clearly, you and I were raised differently.
And it's obvious that you never had Mrs. Krause for junior high English, or you would've put the question mark INSIDE the quotation mark close.
And I suspect you mean "John Boehner," who's dang-near of-color.
This malarkey about "it's in Washington. Not on the radio" is what we heard from Limbaugh apologists apropos "Barack The Magic Negro." "RUSH didn't come up with that," they recited. Someone wrote it in a newspaper somewhere, we were told. As though someone-at-a-newspaper recorded a parody song and played it 600 times on 600 stations. Please.
And as for sinister, beady-eyed Cheney:
http://www.fairgame-movie.com/
I agree with Don C. I'm not a fan of Rush, but I didn't take his comments as being racist, or even over the top (there's been plenty of times where Limbaugh has gone over the top in my opinion, but this wasn't one of those). Frankly I thought he was making a good point and that comment of driving Miss Nancy added some humor and made his point quite well.
It's gotten to the point in our nation that any comment made by a white person that somehow involves a black person, if at all negative automatically gets tarred and feathered as being a racist comment. Because some people don't agree with Obamacare has nothing to do with race, it has to do with not agreeing with this medical plan, but any negative comments about the Presidents agenda automatically gets that person labeled as a racist, which is not reasonable. Obama could not win the election without a majority of white people voting for him as the minority communities do not have enough votes alone to win a general election without significant white support.
This sort of thing has a lot to do with why our public schools are failing our students. How much more difficult is it for a white teacher to teach and correct a black student than a white student? Assuming both white and black student need some sort of correction by the teacher, the black parents more often will claim some sort of prejudice by the white teacher. In our politically correct society, that white teacher is guilty until proven innocent meaning his/her career is over. So rather than have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson protesting outside the school doors, getting negative national attention, and probably the school being sued, etc, many of those white teachers just ignore that misbehavior, or lack of doing the work, etc, of the black students and just pass them on to the next grade so they won't have that student the following year. Then people wonder why the black students are not catching up with the white and Asian kids?? Allow any teacher, be they white, black, brown, yellow, or red to do the job of teaching without the fear of being tarred a racist, because that teacher dared to correct or discipline a black student . If a child is not doing the work, or is misbehaving then they do deserve to be corrected and possibly some form of punishment (nothing physical for any child black or white) without having to worry that they are going to be called racists for trying to help that kid make something of themselves.
My point is, until we can, as a society, get past this racial thing where the whites are walking on eggs trying to not offend blacks, then it might serve those black students better to have black teachers who can make them tow the line and actually learn something, because those kids are getting short changed now, all due to political correctness. So maybe that means going back to separate, but hopefully equal schools, where black kids can have black teachers thus ending the teacher is a racist charge.
Getting this back to radio, this uproar over what Rush said is just a symptom of the bigger problem we have in this nation. It sure appears that the black leadership (think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) wants to keep their community as victims, as the oppressed. If this were 1950, there would not be a black President, or anyone in Congress that was black. In some places blacks weren't allowed to vote, there were lynchings, KKK non-sense, separate but NOT equal schools for blacks, blacks couldn't go to the same stores, movies, restaurants, bathrooms, water fountains, etc, etc, as whites. The blacks had to live on their side of town, etc. Thankfully those days are in our past. Is there still some discrimination? Possibly, but it tends to be a more covert form rather than the overt public-ally accepted form. Today, the fastest growing class of folks IS the Black Middle Class, those college educated people who have good jobs, live in excellent suburban neighborhoods, send their kids to private schools, etc. All of those reforms came about, because some whites decided to make a change in our society was treating blacks, since the whites had the power to actually make the change. But rather than it making a more peaceful society, it's become where you white people better walk on eggs mentality, because according to Al Sharpton the blacks are still victims, and at any opportunity, we're going to charge you with being a racist. That's not reasonable either. So when a real racist act occurs, no one really takes it seriously, like yelling wolf far too often. So it's no surprise to me that Rush is being attacked for his comments.
So no, as I happened to be listening to Limbaugh that day, and heard the comments myself, and even though I'm not a fan of elRushbo, he did not say anything racist or over the top, in my opinion. I hate having to defend Limbaugh.
It's gotten to the point in our nation that any comment made by a white person that somehow involves a black person, if at all negative automatically gets tarred and feathered as being a racist comment. Because some people don't agree with Obamacare has nothing to do with race, it has to do with not agreeing with this medical plan, but any negative comments about the Presidents agenda automatically gets that person labeled as a racist, which is not reasonable. Obama could not win the election without a majority of white people voting for him as the minority communities do not have enough votes alone to win a general election without significant white support.
This sort of thing has a lot to do with why our public schools are failing our students. How much more difficult is it for a white teacher to teach and correct a black student than a white student? Assuming both white and black student need some sort of correction by the teacher, the black parents more often will claim some sort of prejudice by the white teacher. In our politically correct society, that white teacher is guilty until proven innocent meaning his/her career is over. So rather than have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson protesting outside the school doors, getting negative national attention, and probably the school being sued, etc, many of those white teachers just ignore that misbehavior, or lack of doing the work, etc, of the black students and just pass them on to the next grade so they won't have that student the following year. Then people wonder why the black students are not catching up with the white and Asian kids?? Allow any teacher, be they white, black, brown, yellow, or red to do the job of teaching without the fear of being tarred a racist, because that teacher dared to correct or discipline a black student . If a child is not doing the work, or is misbehaving then they do deserve to be corrected and possibly some form of punishment (nothing physical for any child black or white) without having to worry that they are going to be called racists for trying to help that kid make something of themselves.
My point is, until we can, as a society, get past this racial thing where the whites are walking on eggs trying to not offend blacks, then it might serve those black students better to have black teachers who can make them tow the line and actually learn something, because those kids are getting short changed now, all due to political correctness. So maybe that means going back to separate, but hopefully equal schools, where black kids can have black teachers thus ending the teacher is a racist charge.
Getting this back to radio, this uproar over what Rush said is just a symptom of the bigger problem we have in this nation. It sure appears that the black leadership (think Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) wants to keep their community as victims, as the oppressed. If this were 1950, there would not be a black President, or anyone in Congress that was black. In some places blacks weren't allowed to vote, there were lynchings, KKK non-sense, separate but NOT equal schools for blacks, blacks couldn't go to the same stores, movies, restaurants, bathrooms, water fountains, etc, etc, as whites. The blacks had to live on their side of town, etc. Thankfully those days are in our past. Is there still some discrimination? Possibly, but it tends to be a more covert form rather than the overt public-ally accepted form. Today, the fastest growing class of folks IS the Black Middle Class, those college educated people who have good jobs, live in excellent suburban neighborhoods, send their kids to private schools, etc. All of those reforms came about, because some whites decided to make a change in our society was treating blacks, since the whites had the power to actually make the change. But rather than it making a more peaceful society, it's become where you white people better walk on eggs mentality, because according to Al Sharpton the blacks are still victims, and at any opportunity, we're going to charge you with being a racist. That's not reasonable either. So when a real racist act occurs, no one really takes it seriously, like yelling wolf far too often. So it's no surprise to me that Rush is being attacked for his comments.
So no, as I happened to be listening to Limbaugh that day, and heard the comments myself, and even though I'm not a fan of elRushbo, he did not say anything racist or over the top, in my opinion. I hate having to defend Limbaugh.
Re: "I hate having to defend Limbaugh."
I take it you're white.
Me too.
So you can I can only imagine the hurt.
I take it you're white.
Me too.
So you can I can only imagine the hurt.
Yes, Holland I am white. I can imagine the hurt, but the hurt should be from what his own party is doing to him, which was the point Rush was making.
I probably should have said, one of the fastest growing demos in our nation is the black middle class. The black community has far more spending money than ever, and the media ad folks have noted it as far more ads than ever are targeting the black community, but landtuna's point is correct in terms of the Hispanic community. Thanks for the upgrade.
I probably should have said, one of the fastest growing demos in our nation is the black middle class. The black community has far more spending money than ever, and the media ad folks have noted it as far more ads than ever are targeting the black community, but landtuna's point is correct in terms of the Hispanic community. Thanks for the upgrade.
As Jim Carrey said in "Ace Ventura:" "Allll-RIGHTY then..."
What-his-own-party-is-doing-to-him is HAVING A VOTE, not invoking a cruel stereotype put-down...which Limbaugh injected-into-the-issue.
Having grown up white, I'm REAL uncomfortable dismissing-the-hurt-that-must-cause so casually. So I'll pass on any further thumb-wrestling here about that, and we can agree to disagree on what's civil and decent...and I think our-needing-to-do-so is a sobering measure of the garbage-mouth that passes for on-air programming now. And I continue to fear that something bad will happen as a result of this dog whistle being blown over and over again.
As I wrote earlier, conscience is personal.
MikefromDelaware said:
What-his-own-party-is-doing-to-him is HAVING A VOTE, not invoking a cruel stereotype put-down...which Limbaugh injected-into-the-issue.
Having grown up white, I'm REAL uncomfortable dismissing-the-hurt-that-must-cause so casually. So I'll pass on any further thumb-wrestling here about that, and we can agree to disagree on what's civil and decent...and I think our-needing-to-do-so is a sobering measure of the garbage-mouth that passes for on-air programming now. And I continue to fear that something bad will happen as a result of this dog whistle being blown over and over again.
As I wrote earlier, conscience is personal.
OK, I will come and walk on egg shells now because I know we are all a hair's breadth away from getting this thread kicked over to Take It Outside.
For the record, Holland, I'm Irish-American and yes I can "imagine the hurt." But all I can do is imagine, I didn't experience the hurt (although my people did). In the same way, no African American now living experienced slavery and most did not experience Jim Crow.
Mike From Delaware raises some valid points: When do people stop playing the "hurt" card? When does what happened generations before stop being an excuse or justification for failings or disappointments in one's own life today?
Rush is a talented broadcaster and one of the few true radio personalities left. I used to like his show, although seldom agreeing with him. I'm sorry he sold out and became a shill for the Republican National Committee. He was already making a ton of money. But he tossed away his integrity for the illusion of political influence.
For the record, Holland, I'm Irish-American and yes I can "imagine the hurt." But all I can do is imagine, I didn't experience the hurt (although my people did). In the same way, no African American now living experienced slavery and most did not experience Jim Crow.
Mike From Delaware raises some valid points: When do people stop playing the "hurt" card? When does what happened generations before stop being an excuse or justification for failings or disappointments in one's own life today?
Rush is a talented broadcaster and one of the few true radio personalities left. I used to like his show, although seldom agreeing with him. I'm sorry he sold out and became a shill for the Republican National Committee. He was already making a ton of money. But he tossed away his integrity for the illusion of political influence.
And I continue to fear that something bad will happen as a result of this dog whistle being blown over and over again.
Holland, I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by the above statement.
By the way, my family is of Italian decent. It hasn't been that many years ago, where in some circles in America, Italians weren't consider white. There were also various forms of stereotypes and discriminations acted out against Italian-Americans back then as were dished out towards the Irish and other groups too. I didn't experience this, but parents, and grandparents, did. I heard their stories. The difference between the Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, and the African-Americans is those two European groups moved on and allowed the past to remain in the past; whereas the African-American continue to dredge up the past as they continue to see themselves as victims in spite of all the opportunities that smart alert blacks have taken advantage of and have moved from the hood (aka the ghetto) to the middle and upper classes of America. Remember, America now has a black President. As of today, the US has never had an Italian-American President. The "lower class" of blacks even bashed Bill Cosby because he said the problem lies within the black community. These blacks conveniently seem to forget that many white Americans gave their lives in the Civil War, etc, to stop the evil of slavery and to bring America out of that dark period to a time of enlightenment where all Americans today have the opportunity to get an education and to live the American dream, IF they are willing to work hard for it. It doesn't seem to matter that my family wasn't here during slavery times in America, because today Italian-Americans are considered to be white, we're now somehow to blame too. None of us living today, even those who's families go back to Plymouth Rock, have family members living today who were involved.
Getting this back to radio, this topic is such a delicate walk on eggs topic, that it is one topic that really can't be honestly discussed on a radio talk show, because the whites on the show would have to walk on eggs so as to NOT offend the blacks on the show or any black listeners. Yet, the blacks have the freedom and are in fact encouraged to say whatever they want and even when whites are being bashed, we're not to take offense.
Interestingly, none of us here at RI have used any racially offensive language or derogatory language in this discussion, but yet all of us are walking on eggs trying not to offend while trying to express ourselves, which is a 1st Amendment right of free speech. Maybe IF we could have an honest and open discussion on talk radio about this issue, from both white and black viewpoints, where both sides would be allowed to express how they feel and believe without the fear of being called a racist, just maybe we as a society can finally get the rest of the bad blood out and the real healing can begin. Until we as Americans can have that HONEST discussion, the wound will continue to fester and never heal. Until we as a nation truly believe that all of us as Americans be we white, black, brown, red, and yellow are all in the same boat and that it is in our best interests to row in the same direction for if we don't start rowing in the same direction, eventually we're going to sink this boat aka the United States of America.
Who will be the first national radio talk show, be they lib or conservative, etc, to start THAT discussion?? Will they be threatened with law suits, etc, from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? Will they lose their sponsors? Will they lose their listeners? Will they lose affiliates? For those reasons, we'll probably not hear of such a program on national talk radio. Too much of a gamble in today's politically correct society where walking on eggs by whites is considered to be the correct behavior.
Matt Parker expressed my intentions quite well.
Holland, I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by the above statement.
By the way, my family is of Italian decent. It hasn't been that many years ago, where in some circles in America, Italians weren't consider white. There were also various forms of stereotypes and discriminations acted out against Italian-Americans back then as were dished out towards the Irish and other groups too. I didn't experience this, but parents, and grandparents, did. I heard their stories. The difference between the Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, and the African-Americans is those two European groups moved on and allowed the past to remain in the past; whereas the African-American continue to dredge up the past as they continue to see themselves as victims in spite of all the opportunities that smart alert blacks have taken advantage of and have moved from the hood (aka the ghetto) to the middle and upper classes of America. Remember, America now has a black President. As of today, the US has never had an Italian-American President. The "lower class" of blacks even bashed Bill Cosby because he said the problem lies within the black community. These blacks conveniently seem to forget that many white Americans gave their lives in the Civil War, etc, to stop the evil of slavery and to bring America out of that dark period to a time of enlightenment where all Americans today have the opportunity to get an education and to live the American dream, IF they are willing to work hard for it. It doesn't seem to matter that my family wasn't here during slavery times in America, because today Italian-Americans are considered to be white, we're now somehow to blame too. None of us living today, even those who's families go back to Plymouth Rock, have family members living today who were involved.
Getting this back to radio, this topic is such a delicate walk on eggs topic, that it is one topic that really can't be honestly discussed on a radio talk show, because the whites on the show would have to walk on eggs so as to NOT offend the blacks on the show or any black listeners. Yet, the blacks have the freedom and are in fact encouraged to say whatever they want and even when whites are being bashed, we're not to take offense.
Interestingly, none of us here at RI have used any racially offensive language or derogatory language in this discussion, but yet all of us are walking on eggs trying not to offend while trying to express ourselves, which is a 1st Amendment right of free speech. Maybe IF we could have an honest and open discussion on talk radio about this issue, from both white and black viewpoints, where both sides would be allowed to express how they feel and believe without the fear of being called a racist, just maybe we as a society can finally get the rest of the bad blood out and the real healing can begin. Until we as Americans can have that HONEST discussion, the wound will continue to fester and never heal. Until we as a nation truly believe that all of us as Americans be we white, black, brown, red, and yellow are all in the same boat and that it is in our best interests to row in the same direction for if we don't start rowing in the same direction, eventually we're going to sink this boat aka the United States of America.
Who will be the first national radio talk show, be they lib or conservative, etc, to start THAT discussion?? Will they be threatened with law suits, etc, from Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? Will they lose their sponsors? Will they lose their listeners? Will they lose affiliates? For those reasons, we'll probably not hear of such a program on national talk radio. Too much of a gamble in today's politically correct society where walking on eggs by whites is considered to be the correct behavior.
Matt Parker expressed my intentions quite well.
Re: RE How is this "hateful"?
Orange people are the most discriminated against group of people! Look at the poor Oompa-Loompas. Practically slaves in that chocolate factory!
Holland Cooke said:
Orange people are the most discriminated against group of people! Look at the poor Oompa-Loompas. Practically slaves in that chocolate factory!
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