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A NEW Year with lots of changes

The Fall ratings book is about to release but it really doesn't matter. We'll see what 3WS and LTJ did with Christmas and see if KD got an early Winter weather spike in Dec. Beyond that it doesn't matter.

The Winter 2006 ratings survey (Jan. through March) will be very interesting. It will be WRRK's "Jack" minus Bob and Tom for a whole full survey. Howard is gone with an atrocious replacement on a mediocre to bad music station to begin with. There are a lot of "cumes" out their floating around in morning drive.

KD just blew out two very popular and well known hosts and replacements are on their way. Will Romigh and Pintek end up at a competitor very soon? Plus didn't WORD just put on Jerry Boyer?

Rumors about WLTJ are still flying around and WISH is ALWAYS tweaking their old female format. What will become of the Froggy, Froggy, Froggy and Froggy stations? Will they remain or split up and fracture more formats? 3WS was having some bad months before Christmas. Will they bounce back or are they on their way to a second tiered station?

It will be an interesting year...
 
> The Fall ratings book is about to release but it really
> doesn't matter. We'll see what 3WS and LTJ did with
> Christmas and see if KD got an early Winter weather spike in
> Dec. Beyond that it doesn't matter.
>
> The Winter 2006 ratings survey (Jan. through March) will be
> very interesting. It will be WRRK's "Jack" minus Bob and Tom
> for a whole full survey. Howard is gone with an atrocious
> replacement on a mediocre to bad music station to begin
> with. There are a lot of "cumes" out their floating around
> in morning drive.
>
> KD just blew out two very popular and well known hosts and
> replacements are on their way. Will Romigh and Pintek end up
> at a competitor very soon? Plus didn't WORD just put on
> Jerry Boyer?

Yes. Jerry Bowyer (spelled that way, pronounced as you spelled it) is at WORD.

>
> Rumors about WLTJ are still flying around and WISH is ALWAYS
> tweaking their old female format. What will become of the
> Froggy, Froggy, Froggy and Froggy stations? Will they remain
> or split up and fracture more formats?

If I were a betting man, I'd wager on Froggy continuing to be the four-headed creature with a common voice. The only possible adjustment, I would think, could be to somehow link the two FM Pickles in Ellwood City and Uniontown.

> 3WS was having some
> bad months before Christmas. Will they bounce back or are
> they on their way to a second tiered station?

Let's see how Pirate negotiations conclude after KD's last year of Bucco baseball.

>
> It will be an interesting year...
>

Amen.
 
> If I were a betting man, I'd wager on Froggy continuing to
> be the four-headed creature with a common voice. The only
> possible adjustment, I would think, could be to somehow link
> the two FM Pickles in Ellwood City and Uniontown.

They are: Fish (ex-WJPA) is morning man on both (in Uniontown, must be hotlinked to Ellwood City), and then they run the ABC oldies thing off the bird ("Oldies Radio") simultaneously after 9am.
 
I don't agree with calling K-Rock a bad music station. They have hands down the best selection of rock on one station in Pittsburgh. It is the closest thing to an active rock station we have. I have been waiting for something like it since 97 Rock left.

I do agree that Roth is HORRIBLE. They should have went with Adam Corolla nationwide...

> The Fall ratings book is about to release but it really
> doesn't matter. We'll see what 3WS and LTJ did with
> Christmas and see if KD got an early Winter weather spike in
> Dec. Beyond that it doesn't matter.
>
> The Winter 2006 ratings survey (Jan. through March) will be
> very interesting. It will be WRRK's "Jack" minus Bob and Tom
> for a whole full survey. Howard is gone with an atrocious
> replacement on a mediocre to bad music station to begin
> with. There are a lot of "cumes" out their floating around
> in morning drive.
>
> KD just blew out two very popular and well known hosts and
> replacements are on their way. Will Romigh and Pintek end up
> at a competitor very soon? Plus didn't WORD just put on
> Jerry Boyer?
>
> Rumors about WLTJ are still flying around and WISH is ALWAYS
> tweaking their old female format. What will become of the
> Froggy, Froggy, Froggy and Froggy stations? Will they remain
> or split up and fracture more formats? 3WS was having some
> bad months before Christmas. Will they bounce back or are
> they on their way to a second tiered station?
>
> It will be an interesting year...
>
 
> I do agree that Roth is HORRIBLE. They should have went
> with Adam Corolla nationwide...

Adam Corolla won't leave LA. If he was to do a nationwide show from LA that means that he would have to get up at 2:00 in the AM. He's not going to do that either.
 
Anyone think AAR will see the light of Pittsburgh day this year?
Will Romigh land at WPTT, either now or after the switch to 910?
Will Honzberger survive the year at KDKA or will he be allowed to take an early retirement once the first phase of changes is in place?
Will Pintek replace Beck on 104.7?


> The Fall ratings book is about to release but it really
> doesn't matter. We'll see what 3WS and LTJ did with
> Christmas and see if KD got an early Winter weather spike in
> Dec. Beyond that it doesn't matter.
>
> The Winter 2006 ratings survey (Jan. through March) will be
> very interesting. It will be WRRK's "Jack" minus Bob and Tom
> for a whole full survey. Howard is gone with an atrocious
> replacement on a mediocre to bad music station to begin
> with. There are a lot of "cumes" out their floating around
> in morning drive.
>
> KD just blew out two very popular and well known hosts and
> replacements are on their way. Will Romigh and Pintek end up
> at a competitor very soon? Plus didn't WORD just put on
> Jerry Boyer?
>
> Rumors about WLTJ are still flying around and WISH is ALWAYS
> tweaking their old female format. What will become of the
> Froggy, Froggy, Froggy and Froggy stations? Will they remain
> or split up and fracture more formats? 3WS was having some
> bad months before Christmas. Will they bounce back or are
> they on their way to a second tiered station?
>
> It will be an interesting year...
>
 
104.7 and the changes

Here's a thought. I just don't see 104.7 wanting to pick up another station's cast offs. They feel they have momentum and something new.

I could possibly see WPTT picking one of them up- but that's a lot less money for the hosts to take. If you need it you need it but I can't see WPTT GROWING with those guys on- it's already filled with cast-offs.

One station I think has potential and wouldn't be adverse to something like this is 1550 The Edge. Now- granted- it's a small AM and I'm sure that any host would have to bring his own sponsors with him because they don't have the money to pick it up- but they have lots of slots to fill and some decent syndicated programming otherwise. Hiring any one of them would create the buzz- the publicity stunt- The Edge is looking for- and such a host could have a station built around him- which you won't have at WPTT.
 
Re: 104.7 and the changes

> Here's a thought. I just don't see 104.7 wanting to pick up
> another station's cast offs. They feel they have momentum
> and something new.

I agree with you about the cast-offs angle. However, Pintek might be seen not so much as a cast off but as yet another programming mistake made by KDKA. A good case could be made that KDKA made a mistake in keeping Honsberger and firing Pintek. One could argue that Pintek should have been moved to Honsberger's spot and Hosnberger moved to being grist for speculation about ending up somewhere else.

As good as Glenn Beck is for filling the empty slot between Quinn and Rush economically, I think if WPGB put Pintek in that slot, Pintek would do better against whover KDKA puts in that slot that Beck would be. The problem is that if CC waits to see how things develop, Pintek's "loyal" listeners will quickly forget about him. But if CC moves quickly, and announces with great fanfare and hoopla that they're going to capitalize on KDKA's mistake and put Pintek back on the air in (almost) his old time slot, that'll put one more nail in KDKA's coffin.

> I could possibly see WPTT picking one of them up- but that's
> a lot less money for the hosts to take. If you need it you
> need it but I can't see WPTT GROWING with those guys on-
> it's already filled with cast-offs.

You and I might see WPTT as being filled with ex-WTAE cast-offs, but I doubt that many listeners remember far enough back to when Cullen and Hoerth were on WTAE. And, WPTT didn't so much take cast-off talent, they took the victims of cast-off programming. True, they haven't done much with what they had to work with. But I'd blame Renda for that, not the individual hosts.

> One station I think has potential and wouldn't be adverse to
> something like this is 1550 The Edge. Now- granted- it's a
> small AM and I'm sure that any host would have to bring his
> own sponsors with him because they don't have the money to
> pick it up- but they have lots of slots to fill and some
> decent syndicated programming otherwise. Hiring any one of
> them would create the buzz- the publicity stunt- The Edge is
> looking for- and such a host could have a station built
> around him- which you won't have at WPTT.

I can't disagree with you there. There is a lot more potential in the AM band for good spoken word programming of all types if only there were more entrepeneurs willing to take risks in innovative and imaginative programming. Or even a risk at non-innovative, regular old programming that's done extremely well.

Even the old conventional wisdom about the lack of night time signal should be revealed as a myth. The thing is, nowadays the majority of radio listeners tune in when they're commuting to and from work, and when they are at work. So what if a station has a weak or no signal after the listeners get home and are watching television anyway?
 
Re: 104.7 and the changes

> I agree with you about the cast-offs angle. However, Pintek
> might be seen not so much as a cast off but as yet another
> programming mistake made by KDKA. A good case could be made
> that KDKA made a mistake in keeping Honsberger and firing
> Pintek. One could argue that Pintek should have been moved
> to Honsberger's spot and Hosnberger moved to being grist for
> speculation about ending up somewhere else.

>
> As good as Glenn Beck is for filling the empty slot between
> Quinn and Rush economically, I think if WPGB put Pintek in
> that slot, Pintek would do better against whover KDKA puts
> in that slot that Beck would be. The problem is that if CC
> waits to see how things develop, Pintek's "loyal" listeners
> will quickly forget about him. But if CC moves quickly, and
> announces with great fanfare and hoopla that they're going
> to capitalize on KDKA's mistake and put Pintek back on the
> air in (almost) his old time slot, that'll put one more nail
> in KDKA's coffin.
>

The feeling at WPGB has always been that not enough people cared about what KD's hosts were talking about, that KD's hosts were on "Topic A" far too infrequently. Beck is a hipper, more upbeat sound than Pintek, WPGB has no need for Mike.


> > I could possibly see WPTT picking one of them up- but
> that's
> > a lot less money for the hosts to take. If you need it you
>
> > need it but I can't see WPTT GROWING with those guys on-
> > it's already filled with cast-offs.
>
> You and I might see WPTT as being filled with ex-WTAE
> cast-offs, but I doubt that many listeners remember far
> enough back to when Cullen and Hoerth were on WTAE. And,
> WPTT didn't so much take cast-off talent, they took the
> victims of cast-off programming.

I've said before Pintek would be a solid morning show for WPTT.


> True, they haven't donemuch with what they had to work with. But I'd blame Renda
> for that, not the individual hosts.

I'd blame 1360's signal first.


>
> > One station I think has potential and wouldn't be adverse
> to
> > something like this is 1550 The Edge. Now- granted- it's a
>
> > small AM and I'm sure that any host would have to bring
> his
> > own sponsors with him because they don't have the money to
>
> > pick it up- but they have lots of slots to fill and some
> > decent syndicated programming otherwise. Hiring any one of
>
> > them would create the buzz- the publicity stunt- The Edge
> is
> > looking for- and such a host could have a station built
> > around him- which you won't have at WPTT.
>
> I can't disagree with you there. There is a lot more
> potential in the AM band for good spoken word programming of
> all types if only there were more entrepeneurs willing to
> take risks in innovative and imaginative programming. Or
> even a risk at non-innovative, regular old programming
> that's done extremely well.
>
> Even the old conventional wisdom about the lack of night
> time signal should be revealed as a myth. The thing is,
> nowadays the majority of radio listeners tune in when
> they're commuting to and from work, and when they are at
> work. So what if a station has a weak or no signal after the
> listeners get home and are watching television anyway?
>

Actually it's not the lack of a night signal per se; in the winter when sunrise is late and sunset is early you lose half of each drivetime shift with facilities like that. Thus you have a station that's really only viable 8AM-5PM. Even 1080 with 25kW in critical hours and 50kW 9A-3P couldn't compete. (I'm sure even if you're old enough to remember it, you may have forgotten that as Country-formatted WEEP, during the Urban Cowboy days in the 70's it was one of the highest-rated stations in the market, and WDSY was "Daisy" the little sister station.)

Facilities like WURP really can only survive doing religion or other brokered programming as a result.
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Re: 104.7 and the changes

> > As good as Glenn Beck is for filling the empty slot
> between
> > Quinn and Rush economically, I think if WPGB put Pintek in
>
> > that slot, Pintek would do better against whover KDKA puts
>
> > in that slot that Beck would be. The problem is that if CC
>
> > waits to see how things develop, Pintek's "loyal"
> listeners
> > will quickly forget about him. But if CC moves quickly,
> and
> > announces with great fanfare and hoopla that they're going
>
> > to capitalize on KDKA's mistake and put Pintek back on the
>
> > air in (almost) his old time slot, that'll put one more
> nail
> > in KDKA's coffin.
> >
>
> The feeling at WPGB has always been that not enough people
> cared about what KD's hosts were talking about, that KD's
> hosts were on "Topic A" far too infrequently. Beck is a
> hipper, more upbeat sound than Pintek, WPGB has no need for
> Mike.

I don't disagree with that one bit. You are correct about the hosts on KDKA picking the wrong topics to talk about on the air. However, I see hosts picking the wrong topics as akin to disc jockeys playing the wrong records. Even if it was Pintek picking the topics on KDKA, if WPGB would assign him a good producer/call screener, and make it clear when he's hired what sort of topics he needs to select, then WPGB could have a hipper, more upbeat Pintek that's also featuring local talk on local topics. And that is the one thing that WPGB sorely lacks. Aside from sports talk, there is no Pittsburgh talk on the station at all. Surely they could figure out how to make a profit from two hours of Pittsburgh talk topics in the morning.

Even if putting Pintek on the air isn't the greatest idea for CC's bottom line, it would be better for Pittsburgh radio.

Which means that I think that the chances of Pintek being on WPGB are slim and none, but that doesn't mean I don't wish it would so that I could tune it in.

>
>
> > > I could possibly see WPTT picking one of them up- but
> > that's
> > > a lot less money for the hosts to take. If you need it
> you
> >
> > > need it but I can't see WPTT GROWING with those guys on-
>
> > > it's already filled with cast-offs.
> >
> > You and I might see WPTT as being filled with ex-WTAE
> > cast-offs, but I doubt that many listeners remember far
> > enough back to when Cullen and Hoerth were on WTAE. And,
> > WPTT didn't so much take cast-off talent, they took the
> > victims of cast-off programming.
>
> I've said before Pintek would be a solid morning show for
> WPTT.
>
>
> > True, they haven't donemuch with what they had to work
> with. But I'd blame Renda
> > for that, not the individual hosts.
>
> I'd blame 1360's signal first.

It's a chicken and egg toss-up. Solve either problem and the other still remains.

> > Even the old conventional wisdom about the lack of night
> > time signal should be revealed as a myth. The thing is,
> > nowadays the majority of radio listeners tune in when
> > they're commuting to and from work, and when they are at
> > work. So what if a station has a weak or no signal after
> the
> > listeners get home and are watching television anyway?
> >
>
> Actually it's not the lack of a night signal per se; in the
> winter when sunrise is late and sunset is early you lose
> half of each drivetime shift with facilities like that. Thus
> you have a station that's really only viable 8AM-5PM. Even
> 1080 with 25kW in critical hours and 50kW 9A-3P couldn't
> compete. (I'm sure even if you're old enough to remember it,
> you may have forgotten that as Country-formatted WEEP,
> during the Urban Cowboy days in the 70's it was one of the
> highest-rated stations in the market, and WDSY was "Daisy"
> the little sister station.)
>
> Facilities like WURP really can only survive doing religion
> or other brokered programming as a result.

I can't dispute what you say about losing half of drive-time each way in the winter. You're correct about that. I do remember when WEEP was country. I worked in the Fulton Building in those days, on the 12th floor. One of my first radio gigs was on a daytime station.

But even if a daytime station can't compete head-to-head with the full-time stations all day long, they should be able to do a little better than they're doing now during those dayparts when they are head-to-head with other stations. Not a whopping big amount better, but a little better.
 
Hoerth and Cullen and 104.7-

>
> You and I might see WPTT as being filled with ex-WTAE
> cast-offs, but I doubt that many listeners remember far
> enough back to when Cullen and Hoerth were on WTAE. And,
> WPTT didn't so much take cast-off talent, they took the
> victims of cast-off programming. True, they haven't done
> much with what they had to work with. But I'd blame Renda
> for that, not the individual hosts.

Rest assured Realist. The numbers say that WPTT's audience is just as old as KDKA's- and the only people listening to them are those who originally heard them on the old WTAE.

Their entire audience remembers them from WTAE. Who under 60 is possibly going to tune into Doug Hoerth for the first time to listen to him talk about doo-wop records and growing up with the Brooklyn Dodgers?

If KDKA is a train wreck- WPTT is a nuclear holocost. No morning show- has-beens in drive time- a syndicated show from Air America- bad night signal- programming that other stations with better signals have- that 6-10 show they have that talks about consumer affairs is a disaster- boring weekend programming . . .

Rob Pratte looks like Rush Limbaugh compared to anything at WPTT. My God- they had a winner with NASCAR- Pittsburgh gets the third highest NASCAR ratings in the country- and they couldn't sell it.

The only thing going for WPTT is Alan Colmes- and he's on when nobody but people in McKeesport can listen to him and you can hardly sell him in that slot.

The only reason nobody talks about just how dreadful WPTT is because nobody listens, either.

All you need to know is the mindset of "Fired talent goes to WPTT" on these boards.

104.7- though- they look to new things. They could have gone out and hired a Bill DiFabio or someone like that for their weekend sports show- and they went with an up and comer.

Whether you like Rocco DeMaro or not is irrelevant. They went with new talent- not old. Therefore- it's unlikely 104.7 will pick up anyone from KDKA.
 
Re: Hoerth and Cullen and 104.7-

> >
> > You and I might see WPTT as being filled with ex-WTAE
> > cast-offs, but I doubt that many listeners remember far
> > enough back to when Cullen and Hoerth were on WTAE. And,
> > WPTT didn't so much take cast-off talent, they took the
> > victims of cast-off programming. True, they haven't done
> > much with what they had to work with. But I'd blame Renda
> > for that, not the individual hosts.
>
> Rest assured Realist. The numbers say that WPTT's audience
> is just as old as KDKA's- and the only people listening to
> them are those who originally heard them on the old WTAE.
>
> Their entire audience remembers them from WTAE. Who under 60
> is possibly going to tune into Doug Hoerth for the first
> time to listen to him talk about doo-wop records and growing
> up with the Brooklyn Dodgers?
>
> If KDKA is a train wreck- WPTT is a nuclear holocost. No
> morning show- has-beens in drive time- a syndicated show
> from Air America- bad night signal- programming that other
> stations with better signals have- that 6-10 show they have
> that talks about consumer affairs is a disaster- boring
> weekend programming . . .

It is quite disasterous.

> Rob Pratte looks like Rush Limbaugh compared to anything at
> WPTT. My God- they had a winner with NASCAR- Pittsburgh gets
> the third highest NASCAR ratings in the country- and they
> couldn't sell it.
>
> The only thing going for WPTT is Alan Colmes- and he's on
> when nobody but people in McKeesport can listen to him and
> you can hardly sell him in that slot.

I agree. Perhaps they should put him in the morning slot.

>
> The only reason nobody talks about just how dreadful WPTT is
> because nobody listens, either.
>
> All you need to know is the mindset of "Fired talent goes to
> WPTT" on these boards.
>
> 104.7- though- they look to new things. They could have gone
> out and hired a Bill DiFabio or someone like that for their
> weekend sports show- and they went with an up and comer.
>
> Whether you like Rocco DeMaro or not is irrelevant. They
> went with new talent- not old. Therefore- it's unlikely
> 104.7 will pick up anyone from KDKA.

Bill DeFabio would've been good on 104.7. From what I understand, DeMaro was cheaper, and in house.

I seriously doubt anyone from KDKA will be on 104.7. WPGB has always claimed itself to be a leader of sorts of the Newstalk. By taking castoffs, it will take away from this image.
 
Re: 104.7 and the changes

104.7 made its bones by NOT being anything like KDKA. That's how they drew the former KDKA listeners, by offering an alternative.

The LAST thing they're going to do is pick up someone who's just spent 20 years at KDKA.
 
Re: 104.7 and the changes

> 104.7 made its bones by NOT being anything like KDKA. That's
> how they drew the former KDKA listeners, by offering an
> alternative.
>
> The LAST thing they're going to do is pick up someone who's
> just spent 20 years at KDKA.

Listen to who WPGB has on the air from noon to 3:00 PM Weekdays.

I think it comes down to whether or not Pintek has the ability to retain his delivery stle but change his approach to program content. It's like a disc jockey being able to keep his personality from one station while playing records from a different format on the other station. I don't know if Pintek could do it or not.

But, in the post I made on 01/07/06 03:34 PM I already said "I think that the chances of Pintek being on WPGB are slim and none, but that doesn't mean I don't wish it would so that I could tune it in." Which means I already said yesterday that I agreed with point you're trying to make.
 
Re: 104.7 and the changes

>
> Listen to who WPGB has on the air from noon to 3:00 PM
> Weekdays.
>

Because it's the only thing KD had that WOULD bring listeners to 104.7, and more than that (really the primary reason), it would create a hole KD couldn't fill.

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Yeah, Realist, come on!

Rush Limbaugh is the biggest name in the history of the business.

There is a bit of difference between picking up his show and Mike Pintak.
 
Lighten up!

> Rush Limbaugh is the biggest name in the history of the
> business.
>
> There is a bit of difference between picking up his show and
> Mike Pintak.

For crying out loud, am I the only one on this forum forbidden to make a joke?
 
Re: Yeah, Realist, come on!

> Rush Limbaugh is the biggest name in the history of the
> business.
>
> There is a bit of difference between picking up his show and
> Mike Pintak.

Rush Limbaugh is the biggest doofus in the history of the business. If a drug addict pontificating about the so-called immoral behavior of others is the biggest name in the history of radio, what a shame. He started out as a long-haired Rock DJ and morphed into Grendel without the brains. He spawned a host of vitriolic copycats and wannabees and helped convert stations that once were local powerhouses ( KDKA,WRVA,WFLA ) into electronic mouthpieces of a twisted version of conservatism. Barry Goldwater said that you can't legislate morality.Seems the neo-cons who think he was so great didn't actually read his books. Saying Rush is the greatest radio personality ever is like saying Dr.Laura invented modern psychology. Howard Stern compared himself to Lenny Bruce on the Larry King Show. I would hardly call Howard a paragon of liberalism,but government persecution by 'big government" conservatives has appearantly made him one. When you think Howard and Rush are just two sides of the same coin, it comes into focus. Radio today makes Paul Harvey sound like Al Franken. You can take me back to when the strongest voice of dissent on the radio was Frankie Crocker, rest his soul.
>
 
Re: Yeah, Realist, come on!

> > Rush Limbaugh is the biggest name in the history of the
> > business.
> >
> > There is a bit of difference between picking up his show
> and
> > Mike Pintak.
>
> Rush Limbaugh is the biggest doofus in the history of the
> business. If a drug addict pontificating about the so-called
> immoral behavior of others is the biggest name in the
> history of radio, what a shame. He started out as a
> long-haired Rock DJ and morphed into Grendel without the
> brains. He spawned a host of vitriolic copycats and
> wannabees and helped convert stations that once were local
> powerhouses ( KDKA,WRVA,WFLA ) into electronic mouthpieces
> of a twisted version of conservatism. Barry Goldwater said
> that you can't legislate morality.Seems the neo-cons who
> think he was so great didn't actually read his books. Saying
> Rush is the greatest radio personality ever is like saying
> Dr.Laura invented modern psychology. Howard Stern compared
> himself to Lenny Bruce on the Larry King Show. I would
> hardly call Howard a paragon of liberalism,but government
> persecution by 'big government" conservatives has
> appearantly made him one. When you think Howard and Rush are
> just two sides of the same coin, it comes into focus. Radio
> today makes Paul Harvey sound like Al Franken. You can take
> me back to when the strongest voice of dissent on the radio
> was Frankie Crocker, rest his soul.
> >
>

Regardless of all that, we said he was a big name, and he has a lot of listeners who followed him from KD. That doesn't mean we think he's good bad or indifferent.
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