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A pleasant experience on Friday

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doc9464

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I was stuck in the car on Friday ...so I wasn't able to listen to Randi Rhodes live....so I took a deep breath and switched over to WKOX to suffer through the Ed Shultz show.....turns out it wasn't Ed. Ed had Jay Marvin subbing for him on Friday. I know now after checking that he was on WLS but has moved to Boulder (AM 760). I hope he is having success there.

What a pleasant change of pace from Ed. I have heard very little of Jay Marvin in my career and this was refreshing. Its difficult to impress me but this guy is probably going to become one of my regular listens...if he podcasts. He was (in my opinion) a lot farther to the left than Ed (which is GREAT) but I could see him on my template schedule in bush-loving northern Louisiana...he would have a midwest/southern appeal.....and I could see him on Mornings as well.

I think an host that knows his issues is important..and although Ed is getting the most play, I think he fails to on keeping liberals and democrats informed.....Jay had the issues down pat. I think he cold be appealing in larger doses to the audience Ed has targeted.....a well informed host that seemed warm and welcoming...just right for the midwest and south.

AAR if you have anyone that follows this board.....think Al replacement when he goes for the Senate...he and Katheryn could develop some great chemistry....
 
A pleasant experience for me would be to learn Randi Rhodes had been fired and her whinning nasal NooYawk voice had been silenced. Ed Schultz is a breath of fresh air. You, sir, do not know what you are talking about. But that gives you much in common with Randi. There is a reason most progressive talk stations bump Randi.

> I was stuck in the car on Friday ...so I wasn't able to
> listen to Randi Rhodes live....so I took a deep breath and
> switched over to WKOX to suffer through the Ed Shultz
> show.....turns out it wasn't Ed. Ed had Jay Marvin subbing
> for him on Friday. I know now after checking that he was on
> WLS but has moved to Boulder (AM 760). I hope he is having
> success there.
>
> What a pleasant change of pace from Ed. I have heard very
> little of Jay Marvin in my career and this was refreshing.
> Its difficult to impress me but this guy is probably going
> to become one of my regular listens...if he podcasts. He was
> (in my opinion) a lot farther to the left than Ed (which is
> GREAT) but I could see him on my template schedule in
> bush-loving northern Louisiana...he would have a
> midwest/southern appeal.....and I could see him on Mornings
> as well.
>
> I think an host that knows his issues is important..and
> although Ed is getting the most play, I think he fails to on
> keeping liberals and democrats informed.....Jay had the
> issues down pat. I think he cold be appealing in larger
> doses to the audience Ed has targeted.....a well informed
> host that seemed warm and welcoming...just right for the
> midwest and south.
>
> AAR if you have anyone that follows this board.....think Al
> replacement when he goes for the Senate...he and Katheryn
> could develop some great chemistry....
>
 
Re: A Pleasant exp

> You can download some of his interviews at:
>
> http://www.am760.net/talent/marvin.html
>
> You can also listen to Jay live (from 6 am to 10 am,
> Mountain Time) at:
>
> http://www.am760.net/listen/live.html

Thanks for those 760 links!

The hard working and dedicated folks at the White Rose Society also archive the show...

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Marvin.html

I agree with Doc9464 about Jay Marvin for Air America. Great suggestion.

Jay Diamond of WRKO/Boston also deserves expanded hours either with Entercom or Air America.

Both Diamond and Marvin, in my opinion, could get the South and also the conservative small towns in Rocky Mountain States for Air America...<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 07/24/05 07:02 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> A pleasant experience for me would be to learn Randi Rhodes
> had been fired and her whinning nasal NooYawk voice had been
> silenced. Ed Schultz is a breath of fresh air. You, sir,
> do not know what you are talking about. But that gives you
> much in common with Randi. There is a reason most
> progressive talk stations bump Randi.
>

Its not political ...its the agreement Jones and CC have...so give it a rest on Randi...you certainly are not the defacto expert on radio programming ....dont know why you hate Randi so much but im sure you have more to offer than shes got a voice you dont like

Ed is certainly a breath of something.....maybe the fish he was trying to catch.
Randi is way more knowledgeable than Ed any day of the week.....Ed has been trying to emulate Rush ..which to me is reprehenhsible...and his new puppet masters will probably try to make their host more like Rush....he can deliver a progressive message without imitating the enemy....what I wont do is deny his success and he is making it around the US....but i dont have to get on board with him until he reads and knows what the heck he's talking about for once..then ill get behind him.

besides arent we talking about jay marvin right now.....?
 
> > I have heard very
> > little of Jay Marvin in my career and this was refreshing.
>
> > Its difficult to impress me but this guy is probably going
>
> > to become one of my regular listens...if he podcasts.
>
> You can download some of his interviews at:
>
> http://www.am760.net/talent/marvin.html
>
> You can also listen to Jay live (from 6 am to 10 am,
> Mountain Time) at:
>
> http://www.am760.net/listen/live.html
>

Thanks im sure it will be fun catching up on some of his efforts....
 
I might point out that you are not the defacto programming expert either. I might also ask why you hate Ed Schultz so much. I expressed a personal preference. I don't enjoy her voice, her accent or her style. I don't question her intentions, and based on the HBO documentary, it seems she was treated shabbily by Air America in the beginning. I also consider her on-air shots at Ed Schultz to be rather petty and unprofessional.

You, on the other hand, attack Ed Schultz as not well informed, for trying to emulate Rush (I don't hear it but, again, I'm no expert) and for being a puppet to "puppet masters." You also intimate stations and bump Randi because of some agreement. Do you know about such an agreement or you making it up? And do you know what Schultz' deal is with the show's new syndicators or are you just making it up that what he says and how he says it is under their control, too?

And while we are talking about hating people, why do you hate Rush Limbaugh so much to call him "the enemy?" I mostly don't agree with him but I acknowledge him as a talented broadcaster and a professional who does his job well. Do you hate everyone with whom you disagree?

You are trying to puff Jay Michael. I'm glad there is another talk show host of whom you approve. I've never heard him so I have no opinion about him.

>
> Its not political ...its the agreement Jones and CC
> have...so give it a rest on Randi...you certainly are not
> the defacto expert on radio programming ....dont know why
> you hate Randi so much but im sure you have more to offer
> than shes got a voice you dont like
>
> Ed is certainly a breath of something.....maybe the fish he
> was trying to catch.
> Randi is way more knowledgeable than Ed any day of the
> week.....Ed has been trying to emulate Rush ..which to me is
> reprehenhsible...and his new puppet masters will probably
> try to make their host more like Rush....he can deliver a
> progressive message without imitating the enemy....what I
> wont do is deny his success and he is making it around the
> US....but i dont have to get on board with him until he
> reads and knows what the heck he's talking about for
> once..then ill get behind him.
>
> besides arent we talking about jay marvin right now.....?
>
 
> A pleasant experience for me would be to learn Randi Rhodes
> had been fired and her whinning nasal NooYawk voice had been
> silenced. Ed Schultz is a breath of fresh air. You, sir,
> do not know what you are talking about. But that gives you
> much in common with Randi. There is a reason most
> progressive talk stations bump Randi.

Although I've been more enamored with Stephanie Miller than Randi Rhodes as of late, this doesn't fly. First, Randi has always been a ratings rocket. In fact, she often does better than Franken's show. Second, the only real reason that Schultz is getting the live clearance during Randi's show is that his parent pays a substantial launch bonus and locks most stations in to live clearance. Money talks. Most of the stations that "bump" Randi push her show forward into late drive, early evening. On the west coast, a lot more stations give her live clearance. She's still on the schedule. Schultz will soon be bumped off XM's Air America channel (along with the tool Alan Colmes) and put somewhere else to allow Randi a full four hour show.

Schultz is right out of North Dakota and it sounds it. In addition to having a voice that resembles Rush, Schultz is far more moderate and would fit in just fine on Fox News Radio next to Alan.

Randi's voice does take getting used to, but that's a quick process for most.
 
> I also consider her on-air shots at Ed Schultz to be rather
> petty and unprofessional.

Randi takes shots at her bosses and Al Franken regularly as well. It's mostly good natured. She does not like Schultz because of his hardball over timeslots and he receives Democratic Party money, which she won't take.
 
> Second, the only real reason
> that Schultz is getting the live clearance during Randi's
> show is that his parent pays a substantial launch bonus and
> locks most stations in to live clearance. Money talks.

That's a bold statement...proof please? List all the stations that have been paid to carry Schultz, and how much. <P ID="signature">______________



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> She does not like Schultz
> because of his hardball over timeslots and he receives
> Democratic Party money, which she won't take.
>


Another bold statement. You can't just say these things, state them as fact and leave it be. You MUST back up your statements with proof. I won't believe you until you can post something of substance with sources to back up what you say. Did you read it in an article? What artice? Is there a link? Or did some "insider" that you know tell you these things? If it's some "reliable source that you can't name", then forget it...I'm not buying what you say, because I could say the exact opposite.

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> That's a bold statement...proof please? List all the
> stations that have been paid to carry Schultz, and how much.

Like that's going to happen. I'm not the industry rolodex, and you are perfectly well aware that even if I did have that level of specificity, I wouldn't be posting it here.

It's not a bold statement at all. It's actually quite non-controversial. Democracy Radio, which underwrites the development costs and forms an economic partnership with syndicator and/or stations, talks about it on their own site. It's hardly a big deal. It happens in cable television all the time, and to provide a cash incentive to launch a new show and then agree to provide extra ad slots to affiliates on an ongoing basis isn't either.

They did it with Ed Schultz, then Stephanie Miller, and now Nancy Skinner. I'm not saying this is paid programming (ie. WLIB time buys). I'm saying there are incentives for a station clearing Schultz live, and a contract that then holds the station to that.

Randi Rhodes was offered the same deal before Air America. She went to the meeting where dollars and the business model were discussed. She said she did not want to be beholden to an organization that accepted Democratic Party donor money. She's been extremely public about this. Google is your friend for more info about this.
 
> > She does not like Schultz
> > because of his hardball over timeslots and he receives
> > Democratic Party money, which she won't take.
>
> Another bold statement. You can't just say these things,
> state them as fact and leave it be. You MUST back up your
> statements with proof.

If you are looking for proof that Randi Rhodes has said this, while there may not be a link immediately available, I have also heard Ms. Rhodes say this many times. I'm sure that if I did enough digging in the audio archives, I could provide several clips of her talking about this, especially before or after recounting her experience attending a fundraiser for "Democracy Radio" hosted by Senator Mary Landrieu.

You can find some discussion of this in the Google cache of Randi Rhodes own message board (it may have expired from there, or just been relocated, I haven't gone looking on the message board itself yet) at http://shorterlink.com/?4W5HLR

An excerpt:

Last February, the Air America talker [Rhodes] was quoted by The New Republic sounding surprised as Democrat donors at the Landrieu event pledged staggering sums to bankroll the liberal "Democracy Radio" network.

"I heard people yelling out dollar amounts. I thought it was two hundred and fifty dollars, but it wasn't," she told the magazine. "They were pledging two hundred and fifty thousand dollars."

But Rhodes says TNR omitted a key part of her quote showing she was anything but delighted - and wanted nothing to do with raising money from Democrat contributors.

"I felt like I was getting off the Amistad; like I was on the auction block. I had no idea that fund-raisers were there, but I knew I couldn't work this way."

What about the comments of Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who was also on hand to help line up funding for the liberal radio network?

TNR reported that Graham told potential donors on hand "about the many Democrats who had replaced Republicans in elected office in South Florida since Rhodes went on the air there."

He went on the claim that "no Republican could win wherever Rhodes was heard."

But the Air America talker told NewsMax that Graham's comments were no big deal - and didn't compromise her political independence.

"I simply was acknowledged from my chair by Senator Graham because I was a Florida broadcaster that he knew. I thanked him and told them they'd 'be a minority party for a very long time' if they 'didn't do something about talk radio.'"

Rhodes said she had nothing to do with Democracy Radio either before or after the fund-raiser, which had no connection to Air America.

"No one was contributing to Air America, it didn't exist" at the time, Rhodes said. "I wasn't touting anything except the return of the Fairness Doctrine."

"I don't know what the fund-raisers were told to get them there that day," she said. "But I thought it was just a lunch to discuss conservative talk radio and its effect on voters."


If you are looking for evidence that Schultz has taken Democratic party money, it's available.

For example, there's a transcript of Schultz' appearance on Bill O'Reilly's show on Ed Schultz' web site, at http://www.wegoted.com/EdInTheNews/more.asp?ID=36

An excerpt:

Now, Mr. Schultz, your program is funded by Democracy Radio, which has close ties to the Democratic Party. In fact, our pal, Senator [Mary] Landrieu in Louisiana actually did a fundraiser to raise money for Democracy Radio. Is that a conflict of interest, or anything, that you work for almost a political party arm?

SCHULTZ: Not really, Bill. In fact, it isn't at all. These are all private donations from people next door, so to speak, who want to get involved and change the landscape of political talk radio in America, so it's not tax dollars. These are people who are progressives, liberals, who feel that their message isn't being heard and I signed onto it a year ago when I was convinced that we were going to have an opportunity to make a change and be funded for a couple of years.

O'Reilly: OK. But, if you are - if your organization that's funding you is close to the Democratic Party, aren't you hamstrung then by ...

SCHULTZ: No.

O'Reilly: ... party politics.

SCHULTZ: No. I'm not hamstrung. I had it written in my deal that I wasn't gonna be beholden to anybody. I've got total freedom of editorial content. There have been situations that have come up that I've actually opposed the Democrats on some issues and taken, actually, some middle of the road positions on some things, so it's not tax dollars at all. Never has been, never will be. I would've never signed on to something like that ..


As I understand it, the issue here for Rhodes is not that Schultz is actually beholden to the Democratic Party (I don't think he is, and I don't think she thinks so either), but only the appearance of being beholden.<P ID="signature">______________
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> I'm not saying this is paid programming (ie.
> WLIB time buys). I'm saying there are incentives for a
> station clearing Schultz live, and a contract that then
> holds the station to that.


That clears it up for me. I thought you were saying they "broker" the time on many stations. Thanks for responding!<P ID="signature">______________



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Thanks for the references, that's all I ask for!<P ID="signature">______________



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I've heard Randi say Schultz takes donations. I have not heard her say they are from the Democratic Party. In the quote cited above, Schultz does not say he accepted donations from the Democratic Party. It is not clear that any donations went directly to Ed Scultz. Democracy Radio, on its website, makes it clear that it does accept donations. It would not be unreasonable to expect that at least some of these donations came from individual Democrats as well as political groups which support the Democratic Party. But the point is moot. Democracy Radio no longer produces the show and Ed Schultz has moved into the for-profit private sector.
 
This is not an uncommon practice. I would not be at all surprised if Democracy Radio sweetens the deal to get programs cleared. Aparently, some of the lesser-known conservative hosts get on the same way.

>
> That clears it up for me. I thought you were saying they
> "broker" the time on many stations. Thanks for responding!
>
 
> Another bold statement. You can't just say these things,
> state them as fact and leave it be. You MUST back up your
> statements with proof. I won't believe you until you can
> post something of substance with sources to back up what you
> say. Did you read it in an article? What artice? Is there a
> link? Or did some "insider" that you know tell you these
> things? If it's some "reliable source that you can't name",
> then forget it...I'm not buying what you say, because I
> could say the exact opposite.

Tim Allen, producer of the Randi Rhodes Show, is the source on Randi Rhodes not wanting to work for Democracy Radio (Schultz's show is part of that) because party money was involved. Randi Rhodes herself is the second source.

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/messageboards/index.php?showtopic=21175&hl=schultz
 
> > I'm not saying this is paid programming (ie.
> > WLIB time buys). I'm saying there are incentives for a
> > station clearing Schultz live, and a contract that then
> > holds the station to that.
>
>
> That clears it up for me. I thought you were saying they
> "broker" the time on many stations. Thanks for responding!

I apologize for the confusion. I probably should have been a bit clearer.
 
> If you are looking for proof that Randi Rhodes has said
> this, while there may not be a link immediately available, I
> have also heard Ms. Rhodes say this many times.

Thanks for doing this comprehensive reply. I hadn't had a lot of time to dig today, but you pretty much covered it all for me. :)
 
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