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A Question about Praise & Worship and CCM Radio
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RDP
Guest
> How often if at all do such stations play P&W by artists
> such as Hillsongs and the Vineyard? Just wondering.
>
On Sundays, I get to hear P&W music on Sirus Satellite Radio (Dish Satellite Channel 6012)
For an hour Monday-Saturday and all day Sunday, P&W music is heard on WDJC 93.7 Birmingham Alabama.
When I was on Direct TV, Music Choice (Channel 843) had two hours of P&W music every Sunday. Far as I know, they still have P&W on there.
RDP <><
P.S. AFR, WLBF in Montgomery Alabama and Moody caters to P&W music, throughout their broadcast day.
> such as Hillsongs and the Vineyard? Just wondering.
>
On Sundays, I get to hear P&W music on Sirus Satellite Radio (Dish Satellite Channel 6012)
For an hour Monday-Saturday and all day Sunday, P&W music is heard on WDJC 93.7 Birmingham Alabama.
When I was on Direct TV, Music Choice (Channel 843) had two hours of P&W music every Sunday. Far as I know, they still have P&W on there.
RDP <><
P.S. AFR, WLBF in Montgomery Alabama and Moody caters to P&W music, throughout their broadcast day.
>I believe P&W music brings "meat" into a Christian music listener's diet. P&W's messages are clear and direct. PLUS they're the songs listeners are most likely hearing and singing to at church. By exposing your unchurched radio listeners to P&W, if and when they do darken the doors of a church, they'll be familiar with some of the music in a worship service, which the Lord can use to make them more comfortable and receptive in a church setting. Psalm 40:3 tells us that such music can cause "many to see and fear and put their trust in the Lord". Shouldn't that be the primary fruitfulness of Christian music radio stations' efforts?
P&W has incorporated itself into regular programming now so
> Darlene Zschech, Hillsong, United, Hillsong London, Lakewood
> Live and "mucho" Vineyard come up frequently in a lot of
> inspo/A/C or CHR formats.
>
P&W has incorporated itself into regular programming now so
> Darlene Zschech, Hillsong, United, Hillsong London, Lakewood
> Live and "mucho" Vineyard come up frequently in a lot of
> inspo/A/C or CHR formats.
>
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rbrucecarter
Guest
> >I believe P&W music brings "meat" into a Christian music
> listener's diet.
I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM station, and you will lose every listener under 40. They will hit the pushbutton to your competition, which is probably secular, and may not be back for half an hour.
I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air in every market for those who like the format. But to try to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and won't work.
Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change the station, I want Radio Disney!"
> listener's diet.
I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM station, and you will lose every listener under 40. They will hit the pushbutton to your competition, which is probably secular, and may not be back for half an hour.
I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air in every market for those who like the format. But to try to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and won't work.
Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change the station, I want Radio Disney!"
I used to go to a church that did about 50% Hillsongs music. I personally would be glad if I never heard any of it again; it actually got to the point where I could tell what was from Hillsongs, even if I never had heard it before!
The other 50% was dominated by Third Day and Delirious songs, and quite frankly, I don't miss those too much either.<P ID="signature">______________
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The other 50% was dominated by Third Day and Delirious songs, and quite frankly, I don't miss those too much either.<P ID="signature">______________
> > >I believe P&W music brings "meat" into a Christian music
> > listener's diet.
>
> I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual
> medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM
> station, and you will lose every listener under 40. They
> will hit the pushbutton to your competition, which is
> probably secular, and may not be back for half an hour.
>
> I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air
> in every market for those who like the format. But to try
> to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and
> won't work.
>
> Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
> slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change
> the station, I want Radio Disney!"
>
Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to both the college and 25-39 set.
> > listener's diet.
>
> I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual
> medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM
> station, and you will lose every listener under 40. They
> will hit the pushbutton to your competition, which is
> probably secular, and may not be back for half an hour.
>
> I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air
> in every market for those who like the format. But to try
> to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and
> won't work.
>
> Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
> slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change
> the station, I want Radio Disney!"
>
Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to both the college and 25-39 set.
> > Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
> > slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas
> change
> > the station, I want Radio Disney!"
> >
>
> Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to
> both the college and 25-39 set.
>
If you're talking about music from David Crowder* Band, Delirious?, etc., then yes, they are geared towards 18-39 year olds. But that's NOT the majority of what's played at on P&W radio, nor is it the majority of P&W music being released by Christian labels. There's been talk for some time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same sound as AC stations.
Speaking of the Radio Disney set, check out Club J-I believe their sophomore album just released. There's also some other children's worship albums that have been recently released as well.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas
> change
> > the station, I want Radio Disney!"
> >
>
> Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to
> both the college and 25-39 set.
>
If you're talking about music from David Crowder* Band, Delirious?, etc., then yes, they are geared towards 18-39 year olds. But that's NOT the majority of what's played at on P&W radio, nor is it the majority of P&W music being released by Christian labels. There's been talk for some time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same sound as AC stations.
Speaking of the Radio Disney set, check out Club J-I believe their sophomore album just released. There's also some other children's worship albums that have been recently released as well.<P ID="signature">______________
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rbrucecarter
Guest
> I used to go to a church that did about 50% Hillsongs music.
> I personally would be glad if I never heard any of it
> again; it actually got to the point where I could tell what
> was from Hillsongs, even if I never had heard it before!
A church worship service setting is entirely different than a radio listening experience. What plays well in one setting might fall completely flat in another, even with the same person. I think it is a horrible mistake to make a radio station try to sound like a Sunday morning worship experience. They are two different things. Even very strong Christians are more in a mood to be entertained when they turn on the radio than when they attend church. Especially the kids who are probably worshipping to entirely different - and more upbeat - music in their classes / services.
> I personally would be glad if I never heard any of it
> again; it actually got to the point where I could tell what
> was from Hillsongs, even if I never had heard it before!
A church worship service setting is entirely different than a radio listening experience. What plays well in one setting might fall completely flat in another, even with the same person. I think it is a horrible mistake to make a radio station try to sound like a Sunday morning worship experience. They are two different things. Even very strong Christians are more in a mood to be entertained when they turn on the radio than when they attend church. Especially the kids who are probably worshipping to entirely different - and more upbeat - music in their classes / services.
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neutral_observer
Guest
> There's been talk for some
> time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate
> radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same
> sound as AC stations.
If I might make a modification...
"There's been talk for some time now that what previously has been classified as 'Inspirational' and what previously has been classified as 'AC' may cease to be separate radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same sound as what previously has been classified as 'AC' stations."
Both will continue to exist, but some will not recognize the AC's as being AC's.
> time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate
> radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same
> sound as AC stations.
If I might make a modification...
"There's been talk for some time now that what previously has been classified as 'Inspirational' and what previously has been classified as 'AC' may cease to be separate radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same sound as what previously has been classified as 'AC' stations."
Both will continue to exist, but some will not recognize the AC's as being AC's.
> > > Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
>
> > > slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas
> > change
> > > the station, I want Radio Disney!"
> > >
> >
> > Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to
> > both the college and 25-39 set.
> >
> If you're talking about music from David Crowder* Band,
> Delirious?, etc., then yes, they are geared towards 18-39
> year olds. But that's NOT the majority of what's played at
> on P&W radio, nor is it the majority of P&W music being
> released by Christian labels. There's been talk for some
> time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate
> radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same
> sound as AC stations.
>
> Speaking of the Radio Disney set, check out Club J-I believe
> their sophomore album just released. There's also some
> other children's worship albums that have been recently
> released as well.
>
I am talking about them and Artists such as the Vineyard and Hillsongs.
>
> > > slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas
> > change
> > > the station, I want Radio Disney!"
> > >
> >
> > Well thats awfully odd that a lot of the P&W is geared to
> > both the college and 25-39 set.
> >
> If you're talking about music from David Crowder* Band,
> Delirious?, etc., then yes, they are geared towards 18-39
> year olds. But that's NOT the majority of what's played at
> on P&W radio, nor is it the majority of P&W music being
> released by Christian labels. There's been talk for some
> time now that Inspirational and AC may cease to be separate
> radio formats because most Inspo stations have the same
> sound as AC stations.
>
> Speaking of the Radio Disney set, check out Club J-I believe
> their sophomore album just released. There's also some
> other children's worship albums that have been recently
> released as well.
>
I am talking about them and Artists such as the Vineyard and Hillsongs.
M
MorningLight
Guest
> Psalm 40:3
> tells us that such music can cause "many to see and fear and
> put their trust in the Lord". Shouldn't that be the primary
> fruitfulness of Christian music radio stations' efforts?
AMEN! You preach it, and I'll turn the pages!
Not just with P&W, either, but well-chosen Inspo and lite AC as well.
Willie...
> tells us that such music can cause "many to see and fear and
> put their trust in the Lord". Shouldn't that be the primary
> fruitfulness of Christian music radio stations' efforts?
AMEN! You preach it, and I'll turn the pages!
Not just with P&W, either, but well-chosen Inspo and lite AC as well.
Willie...
M
MorningLight
Guest
> > >I believe P&W music brings "meat" into a Christian music
> > listener's diet.
>
> I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual
> medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM
There you go again... calling PRAISE and WORSHIP of the LORD "crap". <:O WOW!
Did the "kids" say this, again? Seriously... this is a VERY insulting thing to say. It is also a very ugly stereotype.
I absolutely abhor "Rap" and "Rock" music, but I don't call them "crap".
> station, and you will lose every listener under 40.
Don't be so sure. I have plenty of well-under-30 listeners who call me from time-to-time. I'm playing it, along with oldies, current Inspo, and Lite AC. Listeners, literally from 8 to 80, are regular callers and supporters.
> I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air
> in every market for those who like the format. But to try
> to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and
> won't work.
Don't be so sure. Give SOME credit to MD's and PD's who schedule their music to avoid "train wrecks" on the air. In the right context, you can, very seamlessly and quite powerfully, mix CCM and P&W music together. Been there, done that, still doing it regularly.
> Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
> slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change
> the station, I want Radio Disney!"
I haven't heard a single parent say this to me, yet, and I've been doing this for 18 years, now. They usually tell me that they listen in the car, or around the breakfast table, etc. and that the kids like it, too.
There's something to be said for the POWER of the Holy Spirit.
Willie...
www.mymorninglight.org
> > listener's diet.
>
> I said it in another post - "now let's take our spiritual
> medicine and quit having fun". Put P&W crap on your CCM
There you go again... calling PRAISE and WORSHIP of the LORD "crap". <:O WOW!
Did the "kids" say this, again? Seriously... this is a VERY insulting thing to say. It is also a very ugly stereotype.
I absolutely abhor "Rap" and "Rock" music, but I don't call them "crap".
> station, and you will lose every listener under 40.
Don't be so sure. I have plenty of well-under-30 listeners who call me from time-to-time. I'm playing it, along with oldies, current Inspo, and Lite AC. Listeners, literally from 8 to 80, are regular callers and supporters.
> I think their should be a P&W specialty station on the air
> in every market for those who like the format. But to try
> to foist it on CCM listeners AS CCM is just plain stupid and
> won't work.
Don't be so sure. Give SOME credit to MD's and PD's who schedule their music to avoid "train wrecks" on the air. In the right context, you can, very seamlessly and quite powerfully, mix CCM and P&W music together. Been there, done that, still doing it regularly.
> Remember - kids are in the car with parents, and if that
> slow boring stuff comes on its gonna be "mommy, pleas change
> the station, I want Radio Disney!"
I haven't heard a single parent say this to me, yet, and I've been doing this for 18 years, now. They usually tell me that they listen in the car, or around the breakfast table, etc. and that the kids like it, too.
There's something to be said for the POWER of the Holy Spirit.
Willie...
www.mymorninglight.org
> P&W has incorporated itself into regular programming now so Darlene Zschech, Hillsong, United, Hillsong London, Lakewood Live and "mucho" Vineyard come up frequently in a lot of inspo/A/C or CHR formats.>
The main issues I have with Praise and Worship are:
* Tempo (for the most part...slow, drawn out, repetitive and long)
* Lyrics that aren't used in every day language (Holy, king, bow down, majesty, worship and others)
* Everybody's releasing P & W singles (overload)
* Can a person at work or in the car with arguing kids really engage in worshipping God along with the song?
* In my opinion...P & W is a format, specialty show or a position on a format clock - not just haphazardly "in with the other songs"
As someone pointed out in another post...tempo has been given great consideration recently at many stations. I get frustrated when stations try their best to be a viable option for listeners who share their time with mainstream radio (virtually EVERY Christian radio listener does) when all of the praise and worship songs are in "Christianese." - a language that ONLY the church crowd knows, uses and understands. P & W music, by nature then, naturally excludes listeners from feeling "a part" of your station.
Praise and Worship music will always test well with listeners - who's gonna "vote no" for God? Maybe if stations tested "Let It Be" by The Beatles it would test well too...but that doesn't mean you add it to the playlist. Same thing with P & W - it's over taken our stations and made us less attractive to P2's P3's and so on.
Again...just my feelings here...P & W music must be carefully placed each hour as a position on the clock. If you don't...one hour could have six in a row of P & W while the next has none - the station could sound very inconsistent and actually like a different radio station hour to hour.
A co-worker of mine always asks this question: "Ask a P2 which of these words they can relate to: God, Bow, Faith, King, Hope, Worship." They probably would relate only to God, Faith and Hope.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddohio on 09/23/05 02:56 PM.</FONT></P>
The main issues I have with Praise and Worship are:
* Tempo (for the most part...slow, drawn out, repetitive and long)
* Lyrics that aren't used in every day language (Holy, king, bow down, majesty, worship and others)
* Everybody's releasing P & W singles (overload)
* Can a person at work or in the car with arguing kids really engage in worshipping God along with the song?
* In my opinion...P & W is a format, specialty show or a position on a format clock - not just haphazardly "in with the other songs"
As someone pointed out in another post...tempo has been given great consideration recently at many stations. I get frustrated when stations try their best to be a viable option for listeners who share their time with mainstream radio (virtually EVERY Christian radio listener does) when all of the praise and worship songs are in "Christianese." - a language that ONLY the church crowd knows, uses and understands. P & W music, by nature then, naturally excludes listeners from feeling "a part" of your station.
Praise and Worship music will always test well with listeners - who's gonna "vote no" for God? Maybe if stations tested "Let It Be" by The Beatles it would test well too...but that doesn't mean you add it to the playlist. Same thing with P & W - it's over taken our stations and made us less attractive to P2's P3's and so on.
Again...just my feelings here...P & W music must be carefully placed each hour as a position on the clock. If you don't...one hour could have six in a row of P & W while the next has none - the station could sound very inconsistent and actually like a different radio station hour to hour.
A co-worker of mine always asks this question: "Ask a P2 which of these words they can relate to: God, Bow, Faith, King, Hope, Worship." They probably would relate only to God, Faith and Hope.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddohio on 09/23/05 02:56 PM.</FONT></P>
>
> The main issues I have with Praise and Worship are:
>
> * Tempo (for the most part...slow, drawn out, repetitive and
> long)
> * Lyrics that aren't used in every day language (Holy, king,
> bow down, majesty, worship and others)
> * Everybody's releasing P & W singles (overload)
> * Can a person at work or in the car with arguing kids
> really engage in worshipping God along with the song?
> * In my opinion...P & W is a format, specialty show or a
> position on a format clock - not just haphazardly "in with
> the other songs"
>
>
You obviously are not acquainted with United Live (which rocks), the newer Hillsong music, Lakewood Live, Planetshakers (another rocker), Chris Tomlin and I could list many many more. P&W NOW is not the P&W of 6 years ago.
> The main issues I have with Praise and Worship are:
>
> * Tempo (for the most part...slow, drawn out, repetitive and
> long)
> * Lyrics that aren't used in every day language (Holy, king,
> bow down, majesty, worship and others)
> * Everybody's releasing P & W singles (overload)
> * Can a person at work or in the car with arguing kids
> really engage in worshipping God along with the song?
> * In my opinion...P & W is a format, specialty show or a
> position on a format clock - not just haphazardly "in with
> the other songs"
>
>
You obviously are not acquainted with United Live (which rocks), the newer Hillsong music, Lakewood Live, Planetshakers (another rocker), Chris Tomlin and I could list many many more. P&W NOW is not the P&W of 6 years ago.
> You obviously are not acquainted with United Live (which
> rocks), the newer Hillsong music, Lakewood Live,
> Planetshakers (another rocker), Chris Tomlin and I could
> list many many more. P&W NOW is not the P&W of 6 years ago.>
I hear you on the TEMPO issue - but all of them are still using words that unchurched listeners feel out of the loop with...and it's very repetitive...
Don't get me wrong...I love that kind and style of music...I just think even modern day P & W excludes outsiders which does not allow a radio station to ever deepen a relationship that converts P2s and P3s to P1s.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddohio on 09/23/05 05:00 PM.</FONT></P>
> rocks), the newer Hillsong music, Lakewood Live,
> Planetshakers (another rocker), Chris Tomlin and I could
> list many many more. P&W NOW is not the P&W of 6 years ago.>
I hear you on the TEMPO issue - but all of them are still using words that unchurched listeners feel out of the loop with...and it's very repetitive...
Don't get me wrong...I love that kind and style of music...I just think even modern day P & W excludes outsiders which does not allow a radio station to ever deepen a relationship that converts P2s and P3s to P1s.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by toddohio on 09/23/05 05:00 PM.</FONT></P>
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rbrucecarter
Guest
You want to program that stuff - fine - its your station. Every time I put the station on the CCM station here, everybody is fine with the music. Until the "spiritual medicine" comes on. If its kids in my car, my own kid, even my wife - something plodding comes on, it over to Radio Disney, or the oldies, or Jack FM. Songs that are very meaningful in church on Sunday morning - fall flat as entertainment. You want to live in some alternate version of reality and think that teens will gratefully flock to your station as you play something with 60 beats a minute in "acceptable" 4:4 rhythm, fine. It don't make it so - there are 17 other FM presets on most car radios, and no teen I know will waste the time listening to that stuff.
It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM activists pollute every single station with their musical ideas. Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young professionals to break the secular radio habit. Otherwise, every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual consequences.
I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every market has a PW station for people like you to listen to. Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock and roll - I can't understand or worship to slow boring stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me. So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be much cross listening, and therefore no competition for listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for Christ. Which one is better? Depends entirely on your musical taste, doesn't it? And that has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual maturity as you have implied elsewhere. I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted - whatever measure you want - bring it!
It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM activists pollute every single station with their musical ideas. Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young professionals to break the secular radio habit. Otherwise, every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual consequences.
I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every market has a PW station for people like you to listen to. Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock and roll - I can't understand or worship to slow boring stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me. So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be much cross listening, and therefore no competition for listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for Christ. Which one is better? Depends entirely on your musical taste, doesn't it? And that has absolutely nothing to do with spiritual maturity as you have implied elsewhere. I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted - whatever measure you want - bring it!
M
MorningLight
Guest
> medicine" comes on. If its kids in my car, my own kid, even
> my wife - something plodding comes on, it over to Radio
> Disney, or the oldies, or Jack FM.
"Something plodding" is going to come on, on just about every station, at one time or another.
> You want to live in some alternate version
> of reality and think that teens will gratefully flock to
> your station as you play something with 60 beats a minute in
So now this adversarial mode kicks in... more stereotyping? You're claiming that I live in some kind of alternate reality, simply because I don't fit into YOUR veiw of the world? I don't see how that is even fair to say. <
All I did was explain what I have experienced, firsthand, in my 18 years in radio. Facts. Nothing more.
> "acceptable" 4:4 rhythm, fine. It don't make it so - there
> are 17 other FM presets on most car radios, and no teen I
> know will waste the time listening to that stuff.
I know of one teenager, who's life was literally transformed by that music, right there in front of my eyes. It's a long story, but lets just say that he went from "Barren Cross" to "Silverwind" almost instantly. It was REAL, and it was a move of the Holy Spirit that HE gave me the privilege of witnessing. That young man continues to serve the LORD to this day. GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS!
> It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try
> Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM
> activists pollute every single station with their musical
> ideas.
There you go again with the ugly stereotypes! Just because ***YOU*** don't like (or disagree with) something, it's "pollution", it's "crap" or worse?! Please, sir. Please.
> Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock
> station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young
> professionals to break the secular radio habit.
There are plenty of them out there!!
Give them a compelling station, regardless of music genre, that gives them what they need, and they will listen.
> Otherwise,
> every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to
> secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual
> consequences.
Oh, sure... well, my EIGHTEEN YEARS in this business have proven to me that quite the opposite is true. I'm not saying this to boast, GOD FORBID. It is merely fact. Based on my direct observations, the opposite is true. Maybe you've seen a few examples of this... what does that tell you, though? Does it mean that what these people are rejecting is utterly worthless, deserving of contempt, to be called "crap" and "pollution", and that it deserves to be obliterated? PLEASE!! What about the people who WANT this kind of music? People who send significant amounts of money to support it and keep it on the air? Are they stupid, dumb sheep who like "crap"? Apparently, to YOU, they are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, I'm a little upset, here... I, personally, do not like "Rock" or "Rap" but you don't see me disparaging it, do you? Just because ***I*** don't like it, does NOT mean that GOD automatically rejects and cannot use it, or that souls are going to be damned because of it! Yet you are coming across as though YOUR opinion is GOD's, and if I don't agree, well, I'm in an "alternate relaity" and feeding on "crap"?! Please, sir. Please.
> I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every
> market has a PW station for people like you to listen to.
"People like you..." MAN, that phrase just REEKS of bigotry! <
> Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock
> and roll
I was raised on it, too, and I'm 42. It is BECAUSE I was raised on it, that I find it so abhorrent, now! I want to be as DISTANT from the things that remind me of my sinful past as possible! I want to be immersed in reverent worship and praise. There are also plenty of times when I play uptempo hand-clapping kinds of songs, Contemporary songs, etc. The listeners continue to support it, so there must be SOMETHING here that people want to hear.
> - I can't understand or worship to slow boring
> stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me.
That doesn't make you better or worse than me, but it sure comes across as though anything YOU don't like is useless and contemptible.
> So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be
> much cross listening, and therefore no competition for
> listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for
> Christ.
Well, AMEN! We finally actually AGREE on something!! Hallelujah!!!
> Which one is better?
*****NEITHER!!!!!*******
> Depends entirely on your
> musical taste, doesn't it?
No. It depends on what GOD is doing through EACH ONE. If He is bringing precious souls into His Kingdom through BOTH, then NEITHER is "better". They are just DIFFERENT!
> I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of
> quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted -
> whatever measure you want - bring it!
Oh! Here we go! PRIDE rears up... "I'M BETTER THAN YOU!" so let's have a game of one-upmanship?!?!
NO! THANK YOU.
Maybe in your next quiet time, you should ask HIM about what you've written, here.
All I'm going to say on that matter is that GOD knows the score, GOD ALONE deserves the GLORY, and that's enough for me.
Willie...
> my wife - something plodding comes on, it over to Radio
> Disney, or the oldies, or Jack FM.
"Something plodding" is going to come on, on just about every station, at one time or another.
> You want to live in some alternate version
> of reality and think that teens will gratefully flock to
> your station as you play something with 60 beats a minute in
So now this adversarial mode kicks in... more stereotyping? You're claiming that I live in some kind of alternate reality, simply because I don't fit into YOUR veiw of the world? I don't see how that is even fair to say. <
All I did was explain what I have experienced, firsthand, in my 18 years in radio. Facts. Nothing more.
> "acceptable" 4:4 rhythm, fine. It don't make it so - there
> are 17 other FM presets on most car radios, and no teen I
> know will waste the time listening to that stuff.
I know of one teenager, who's life was literally transformed by that music, right there in front of my eyes. It's a long story, but lets just say that he went from "Barren Cross" to "Silverwind" almost instantly. It was REAL, and it was a move of the Holy Spirit that HE gave me the privilege of witnessing. That young man continues to serve the LORD to this day. GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS!
> It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try
> Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM
> activists pollute every single station with their musical
> ideas.
There you go again with the ugly stereotypes! Just because ***YOU*** don't like (or disagree with) something, it's "pollution", it's "crap" or worse?! Please, sir. Please.
> Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock
> station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young
> professionals to break the secular radio habit.
There are plenty of them out there!!
Give them a compelling station, regardless of music genre, that gives them what they need, and they will listen.
> Otherwise,
> every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to
> secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual
> consequences.
Oh, sure... well, my EIGHTEEN YEARS in this business have proven to me that quite the opposite is true. I'm not saying this to boast, GOD FORBID. It is merely fact. Based on my direct observations, the opposite is true. Maybe you've seen a few examples of this... what does that tell you, though? Does it mean that what these people are rejecting is utterly worthless, deserving of contempt, to be called "crap" and "pollution", and that it deserves to be obliterated? PLEASE!! What about the people who WANT this kind of music? People who send significant amounts of money to support it and keep it on the air? Are they stupid, dumb sheep who like "crap"? Apparently, to YOU, they are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, I'm a little upset, here... I, personally, do not like "Rock" or "Rap" but you don't see me disparaging it, do you? Just because ***I*** don't like it, does NOT mean that GOD automatically rejects and cannot use it, or that souls are going to be damned because of it! Yet you are coming across as though YOUR opinion is GOD's, and if I don't agree, well, I'm in an "alternate relaity" and feeding on "crap"?! Please, sir. Please.
> I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every
> market has a PW station for people like you to listen to.
"People like you..." MAN, that phrase just REEKS of bigotry! <
> Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock
> and roll
I was raised on it, too, and I'm 42. It is BECAUSE I was raised on it, that I find it so abhorrent, now! I want to be as DISTANT from the things that remind me of my sinful past as possible! I want to be immersed in reverent worship and praise. There are also plenty of times when I play uptempo hand-clapping kinds of songs, Contemporary songs, etc. The listeners continue to support it, so there must be SOMETHING here that people want to hear.
> - I can't understand or worship to slow boring
> stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me.
That doesn't make you better or worse than me, but it sure comes across as though anything YOU don't like is useless and contemptible.
> So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be
> much cross listening, and therefore no competition for
> listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for
> Christ.
Well, AMEN! We finally actually AGREE on something!! Hallelujah!!!
> Which one is better?
*****NEITHER!!!!!*******
> Depends entirely on your
> musical taste, doesn't it?
No. It depends on what GOD is doing through EACH ONE. If He is bringing precious souls into His Kingdom through BOTH, then NEITHER is "better". They are just DIFFERENT!
> I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of
> quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted -
> whatever measure you want - bring it!
Oh! Here we go! PRIDE rears up... "I'M BETTER THAN YOU!" so let's have a game of one-upmanship?!?!
NO! THANK YOU.
Maybe in your next quiet time, you should ask HIM about what you've written, here.
All I'm going to say on that matter is that GOD knows the score, GOD ALONE deserves the GLORY, and that's enough for me.
Willie...
R
RDP
Guest
> You want to program that stuff - fine - its your station.
> Every time I put the station on the CCM station here,
> everybody is fine with the music. Until the "spiritual
> medicine" comes on. If its kids in my car, my own kid, even
> my wife - something plodding comes on, it over to Radio
> Disney, or the oldies, or Jack FM. Songs that are very
> meaningful in church on Sunday morning - fall flat as
> entertainment. You want to live in some alternate version
> of reality and think that teens will gratefully flock to
> your station as you play something with 60 beats a minute in
> "acceptable" 4:4 rhythm, fine. It don't make it so - there
> are 17 other FM presets on most car radios, and no teen I
> know will waste the time listening to that stuff.
>
> It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try
> Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM
> activists pollute every single station with their musical
> ideas. Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock
> station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young
> professionals to break the secular radio habit. Otherwise,
> every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to
> secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual
> consequences.
>
> I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every
> market has a PW station for people like you to listen to.
> Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock
> and roll - I can't understand or worship to slow boring
> stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me.
> So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be
> much cross listening, and therefore no competition for
> listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for
> Christ. Which one is better? Depends entirely on your
> musical taste, doesn't it? And that has absolutely nothing
> to do with spiritual maturity as you have implied elsewhere.
> I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of
> quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted -
> whatever measure you want - bring it!
>
I am digusted with most of the P&W stuff that is coming out. It is now rereleasing every P&W song that many other singers that have done in the past.
I am glad that someone other than myself is seeing this current crop of P&W music for what it is.
I had a friend to tell me that P&W music is now just a fad. I now understand where he came from, since he works at a Lifeway Christian Bookstore in the Ackworth/Woodstock area of Atlanta and helps manage this store.
If your radio station feels comfortable supporting this "Fad", Mr. Morning Light, carry on.
Quite frankly, I am disgusted with it and would love to see Christian music clean its act up and get back to Preaching the real Gospel, with no sugar coating or lovely dovely type songs.
RDP <><
P.S. Personally, I would rather listen to radio station that promoted sound doctrine, than to listen to someone that had a lovely dovely type message on it.
> Every time I put the station on the CCM station here,
> everybody is fine with the music. Until the "spiritual
> medicine" comes on. If its kids in my car, my own kid, even
> my wife - something plodding comes on, it over to Radio
> Disney, or the oldies, or Jack FM. Songs that are very
> meaningful in church on Sunday morning - fall flat as
> entertainment. You want to live in some alternate version
> of reality and think that teens will gratefully flock to
> your station as you play something with 60 beats a minute in
> "acceptable" 4:4 rhythm, fine. It don't make it so - there
> are 17 other FM presets on most car radios, and no teen I
> know will waste the time listening to that stuff.
>
> It is darn hard for us youth pastors to get kids to even try
> Christian radio, when the anti-Christian rock, anti-CCM
> activists pollute every single station with their musical
> ideas. Give me a no compromise HOT-AC / Christian rock
> station, and I have a real chance at getting kids and young
> professionals to break the secular radio habit. Otherwise,
> every P&W song that comes on triggers and exodous back to
> secular radio stations, with disasterous spiritual
> consequences.
>
> I said it before and I'll say it again - I really hope every
> market has a PW station for people like you to listen to.
> Its not my cup of tea, I am only 51 and I was raised on rock
> and roll - I can't understand or worship to slow boring
> stuff. It doesn't excite the spirit of true worship in me.
> So you have your station, I'll have mine, there won't be
> much cross listening, and therefore no competition for
> listeners. And both groups of listeners will be reached for
> Christ. Which one is better? Depends entirely on your
> musical taste, doesn't it? And that has absolutely nothing
> to do with spiritual maturity as you have implied elsewhere.
> I'll put my ministry up against yours any day, hours of
> quiet time, scripture memorized, salavations resulted -
> whatever measure you want - bring it!
>
I am digusted with most of the P&W stuff that is coming out. It is now rereleasing every P&W song that many other singers that have done in the past.
I am glad that someone other than myself is seeing this current crop of P&W music for what it is.
I had a friend to tell me that P&W music is now just a fad. I now understand where he came from, since he works at a Lifeway Christian Bookstore in the Ackworth/Woodstock area of Atlanta and helps manage this store.
If your radio station feels comfortable supporting this "Fad", Mr. Morning Light, carry on.
Quite frankly, I am disgusted with it and would love to see Christian music clean its act up and get back to Preaching the real Gospel, with no sugar coating or lovely dovely type songs.
RDP <><
P.S. Personally, I would rather listen to radio station that promoted sound doctrine, than to listen to someone that had a lovely dovely type message on it.
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