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A station for each VHF channel

Never heard of such a thing, of course I lived in Texas all of my life. Plus I had cable since 1983. Warner-Amex in Alief and Storer in Mo. City, Rogers in San Antonio. Didn't have a cable box until 1985 in San Antonio. My grandparents had a cable box until 1990 for each TV, and all the channels until January of 1989 including Viewers Choice.

So my question is has anyone in Texas able to receive VHF stations on all VHF channels 2-13?
 
I can't vouch for this, but if the conditions were perfect, such a feat may have been pulled off (albeit rarely) here in parts of the Springfield, IL area from about 1983-2009 depending on weather, tropo and the strength of your outdoor antenna:

2--KTVI St. Louis (with tropo and possibly even WTWO Terre Haute underneath)
3--WCIA Champaign
4--KMOV St. Louis
5--KSDK St. Louis
6--a rare catch of KWQC Davenport/Quad Cities (whose audio I have even received here on rare occasions) or even WPSD Paducah
7--usually KHQA Hannibal/Quincy if anything (but I caught the audio of WTVW Evansville, IN on one occasion)
8--analog translator of WSEC-14 (PBS) since late 2001, but before then WQAD Moline/Quad Cities has made appearances occasionally, or WSIU Carbondale, IL
9--KETC St. Louis (formerly on Springfield's cable)
10--WGEM Quincy (with WTHI Terre Haute appearing on occasion)
11--KPLR St. Louis
12--WILL Urbana
13--WCEE/WPXS Mt. Vernon, IL (since 1983--perhaps a rare appearance from KRCG Jefferson City, MO or WTHR Indy before then)
 
With one exception, it was a pretty easy feat from higher elevations in the East Bay part of the San Francisco market, even with rabbit-ears:

2 - KTVU Oakland
3 - KCRA Sacramento
4 - KRON SF
5 - KPIX SF
6 - KVIE Sacramento
7 - KGO SF
8 - KSBW Salinas
9 - KQED SF
10 - KXTV Sacramento
11 - KNTV San Jose
12 -
13 - KOVR Stockton

8 was easiest during the period when KSBW had moved its transmitter northward to try to reach into San Jose; for its last few years in analog (and now in digital), it moved south again and became a somewhat harder catch. And 12 would presumably have been KFRE-TV from Fresno up until 1960, when it was "deintermixed" and moved up to channel 30...so there was at least a brief window in 1959-1960 after KTVU and KVIE had signed on, and before KFRE-TV moved, in which all 12 channels lit up for at least some lucky Bay Area viewers.
 
Scott Fybush said:
...12 would presumably have been KFRE-TV from Fresno up until 1960, when it was "deintermixed" and moved up to channel 30...so there was at least a brief window in 1959-1960 after KTVU and KVIE had signed on, and before KFRE-TV moved, in which all 12 channels lit up for at least some lucky Bay Area viewers.

KML-224 said:
I think the closest channel 12 broadcaster near there would have been KHSL-TV (CBS) from Chico, CA.

As would KCOY in Santa Barbara, also a CBS affiliate.
 
willdav713 said:
So my question is has anyone in Texas able to receive VHF stations on all VHF channels 2-13?

I can only think of one place in Texas where this MIGHT have been possible on a regular basis. That's if you were somehwere between Houston and San Antonio where you could receive those cities AND Austin. Even then you would have had to do a lot of rotating.

2 KPRC NBC Houston
3 KBTX CBS/ABC Bryan
4 WOAI/KMOL NBC San Antonio
5 KENS CBS San Antonio
6 KCEN NBC/ABC Temple-Waco
7 KLBJ/KTBC CBS Austin
8 KUHT PBS Houston
9 KLRN PBS (Austin) San Antonio
10 KWTX CBS/ABC Waco
11 KHOU CBS Houston
12 KSAT ABC San Antonio
13 KTRK ABC Houston
 
azumanga said:
Scott Fybush said:
...12 would presumably have been KFRE-TV from Fresno up until 1960, when it was "deintermixed" and moved up to channel 30...so there was at least a brief window in 1959-1960 after KTVU and KVIE had signed on, and before KFRE-TV moved, in which all 12 channels lit up for at least some lucky Bay Area viewers.

KML-224 said:
I think the closest channel 12 broadcaster near there would have been KHSL-TV (CBS) from Chico, CA.

As would KCOY in Santa Barbara, also a CBS affiliate.

There's serious, serious terrain blockage between Santa Maria and points north. If KCOY has ever been seen in the Bay Area, it's an extremely rare event. KHSL is a little more likely, terrain-wise, but there's still a lot of distance to be covered between Chico and, say, the Oakland hills.
 
Scott Fybush said:
azumanga said:
Scott Fybush said:
...12 would presumably have been KFRE-TV from Fresno up until 1960, when it was "deintermixed" and moved up to channel 30...so there was at least a brief window in 1959-1960 after KTVU and KVIE had signed on, and before KFRE-TV moved, in which all 12 channels lit up for at least some lucky Bay Area viewers.

KML-224 said:
I think the closest channel 12 broadcaster near there would have been KHSL-TV (CBS) from Chico, CA.

As would KCOY in Santa Barbara, also a CBS affiliate.

There's serious, serious terrain blockage between Santa Maria and points north. If KCOY has ever been seen in the Bay Area, it's an extremely rare event. KHSL is a little more likely, terrain-wise, but there's still a lot of distance to be covered between Chico and, say, the Oakland hills.

And because of this distance, I figure that KHSL is too far to receive from the Bay Area, especially considering that the Chico / Redding market has their own channels 7 and 9 (KRCR and KIXE, respectively). And the main reason why there's no local channel 12 in the Bay Area or Sacramento is because it's too close to KOVR ch.13 and KNTV ch.11.
 
At our lake house in North Central MN it was doable with the right conditions ;)

2 KTCA PBS Minneapolis
3 KDLH CBS Duluth
4 WCCO CBS Mpls
5 KSTP ABC Mpls
6 KBJR NBC Duluth
7 KCCO CBS Alexandria (satellite station of WCCO...doable but you needed good conditions)
8 WDSE PBS Duluth
9 KMSP FOX Mpls
10 WDIO ABC Duluth
11 KARE NBC Mpls
12 KCCW CBS Walker (satellite station of WCCO and the "closest" of the stations)
13 WIRT ABC Hibbing (satellite of WDIO....able to be picked up but you needed really good conditions)

ironically 3,6 and 10 had translators about 20 miles away on 33,35 and 27 so you didnt need to try and get Duluth which was 90 miles away
 
Scott Fybush said:
There's serious, serious terrain blockage between Santa Maria and points north. If KCOY has ever been seen in the Bay Area, it's an extremely rare event. KHSL is a little more likely, terrain-wise, but there's still a lot of distance to be covered between Chico and, say, the Oakland hills.

What an interesting thread to stumble across :)

And it begs the question, was/is there some mid point in California where, under the right conditions, one could receive both San Fran and LA stations.

Such a location, if it existed at all, would be around 170 miles from each city, so reception would have been very dependent on atmospheric conditions.
 
Such a feat would have been rare and remarkable, BMR, due not only to the distance between San Francisco and LA but also the terrain. The LA TV transmitters on Mount Wilson, while at a significant altitude (5700' above sea level), sit beneath even higher mountain ranges in the San Gabriel mountains. Those mountains effectively block direct reception of LA TV signals at most points due north or northeast. (Nearly the entire population base of the LA market is located south and west of Mount Wilson.) Along the coast heading northwest (San Francisco is not only north but considerably west of LA, the rugged Coast Range also serves to limit the reach of the LA signals.

The San Francisco stations are at much lower altitude - if memory serves, Mount Sutro is only 900 feet or so above sea level - and they, too, are somewhat blocked to the south and especially to the east by taller mountains.

In the analog days, if one could have set up a sensitive receiving station somewhere way up high in the Sierras east of Fresno, it might have been possible on occasion to catch signals from both LA and San Francisco (at distances more like 200 miles in each case), but that reception would have been inconsistent at best, and the physical challenges of getting a proper antenna (say, a huge rhombic for channels 2, 4 and 5) up to a site 12,000 feet or more would have been daunting.

What all those mountains did make possible was a network of microwave relays that brought LA and San Francisco TV stations to viewers in smaller communities in between via cable and translators. The LA TV market extends up the east side of the Sierras into the Owens Valley, more than 200 miles north of LA, thanks to microwave relays that existed as far back as the 1950s.
 
There was a DXer who lived in Monterrey, Mexico, 5900 feet up the eastern side of a mountain. He moved to Guadalajara in a job promotion, IIRC.

I did not know if he could bag stations from VHF 2-13 daily, but from Monterrey, he was the undisputed king of Tropo TV DX (mainly UHF)....he had a top-of-the-line UHF parabolic that he bought in San Antonio. And it was not uncommon for him to catch translators---yes, UHF translators---located in the Florida Keys! So if you added UHF in this thread, he could possibly do it!

(Of course, stations to his west were out-of-bounds, due to the set-up.)

His tropo TV DX photo page survives:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz4/tropotvdx/PHSS.html

cd
 
Under the right conditions, the Seattle and Portland VHFs could all be intercepted (with varying degrees of clarity, but still there nonetheless) in Olympia around the mid 1990s, since Olympia's situated roughly mid-way between the two cities.
Code:
2 KATU PDX sometimes with slight interference from CBUT during skip time
3      not used in SEA or PDX
4 KOMO SEA
5 KING SEA
6 KOIN PDX
7 KIRO SEA
8 KGW PDX
9 KCST SEA
10 KOAP PDX
11 KSTW SEA
12 KPDX PDX
13 KCPQ SEA
I think it also helped that my folks had a motorised outdoor aerial at that house. Now you also know why the Portland VHFs were on the even-numbered channels and the Seattle ones (mostly) had odd numbers.
 
In Pacifica, CA in the 80's

2 KTVU SF
3 KCRA Sac - Only after KRON signs off for the night
4 KRON SF
5 KPIX SF
7 KGO
8 nothing
9 KQED SF
10 Bleed from KQED
11 KNTV SJ
12 nothing
13 KOVR Sac Weak
 
I can't wait for someone to invent the flux capacitor so I can go back and play all these set ups. :D

I'm saving for a transatlantic trip, but obviously it won't be the same with digital (and most hotels on cable anyway)


British TV is the same everywhere- sooooo boring for anoraks :D
 
From Lodi, CA with a 40' channel master and a rotor. ;D

2 - KTVU Oakland
3 - KCRA Sacramento
4 - KRON SF
5 - KPIX SF
6 - KVIE Sacramento
7 - KGO SF/KRCR Redding
8 - KOLO Reno
9 - KQED SF
10 - KXTV Sacramento
11 - KNTV San Jose
12 - KHSL Chico
13 - KOVR Stockton

The antenna was usually pointed WNW for Sacramento stations and WSW for Bay Area stations
 
Around the hills of Mt. Seymore in Vancouver before the DTV sign-on. This was back in June 2005 with my Casino Pocket TV.

2 - CBUT (CBC) Vancouver
3- Nothing
4 - KOMO (ABC) Seattle
5- KING (NBC) Seattle
6 - CHEK (CH) Victoria
7 - KIRO (CBS) Seattle
8 - CHAN (Global) Vancouver
9 - KCTS (PBS) Seattle
10 - CKVU (Citytv) Vancouver
11 - KSTW (UPN) Tacoma
12 - KVOS (IND) Bellingham
13 - KCPQ (FOX) Tacoma

(UHF Stations)
16 - KONG (IND) Everett/Seatle
17 - CIVI-TV1 (NewNet) Vancouver
20 - KTBW (TBN) Tacoma
22 - KSWB (WB) Seattle
24 - KBCB (Ind/Ethnic) Bellingham
26 - CBUFT (SRC) Vancouver
28 - KBTC (PBS) Tacoma
32 - CIVT (CTV) Vancouver
33 - KWPX (PAX) Bellevue
42 - CHNM (IND ETHNIC) Vancouver
45 - KHCV (IND Shop at Home ) Seattle
51 - KWOG (IND Shop NBC) Bellevue
56 - KWDK (Daystar) Tacoma
62 - K62FS (Repeater of KSTW) Port Townsend
66 - CHNU (IND Religious) Fraser Valley
 
newsmark said:
I can only think of one place in Texas where this MIGHT have been possible on a regular basis. That's if you were somehwere between Houston and San Antonio where you could receive those cities AND Austin. Even then you would have had to do a lot of rotating.

2 KPRC NBC Houston
3 KBTX CBS/ABC Bryan
4 WOAI/KMOL NBC San Antonio
5 KENS CBS San Antonio
6 KCEN NBC/ABC Temple-Waco
7 KLBJ/KTBC CBS Austin
8 KUHT PBS Houston
9 KLRN PBS (Austin) San Antonio
10 KWTX CBS/ABC Waco
11 KHOU CBS Houston
12 KSAT ABC San Antonio
13 KTRK ABC Houston

I am thinking somewhere around Bryan may have been able to receive all of these stations with a large directional antenna and rotator. I was thinking about an area in central Texas closer to DFW, maybe south of Corsicana, but there is a hole for channel 12. Any channel 12 LPTV's in that area?

2 KDTN DFW
3 KBTX B/CS
4 KDFW DFW
5 KXAS DFW
6 KCEN Waco-Temple
7 KLTV Tyler
8 WFAA DFW
9 KTRE Lufkin
10 KTWX Waco-Temple
11 KTVT DFW
12 ??? Sherman, Shreveport, San Antonio all too far
13 KERA DFW

Or, how about in and around Victoria:

2 KPRC Houston
3 KIII Corpus Christi
4 KMOL SA
5 KENS SA
6 KRIS Corpus Christi
7 KTBC Austin
8 KUHT Houston
9 KLRN SA
10 KZTV Corpus Christi
11 KHOU Houston
12 KSAT SA
13 KTRK Houston
 
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