A Suggestion to the Dance Music fanatics...

[MarcR]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

 

[nd2023]

I can only hope that Energy 92.7 doesn't flip formats. The current owners overpaid for 92.7. It has a signal roughly the same strength as WNYZ.

I am a dance music fanatic and proud of it! I am not afraid to go on the Philly board and say that filly needz a dans stayshun

 

[d21ofnj]

We've seen many stations come and go, most of them yes, due to financial reasons, and some of them just had to do with the politics in the back. We've lost Energy in Chicago and Arizona, and we lost Party in Miami, and yes even San Francisco. We lost groove in LA, as well as Hot 106.3 in South Jersey. However, we've got TWO stations that have been playing dance for MORE THAN A DECADE, and that is C 89.5 and Party 105. We still got Energy San Fran at the moment, as well as WMPH, Z88.9, DanceFactory Chicago, and most recently last year, we launched Pulse and The Vibe. Hell, it has gotten to the point where dance pirates such as "Universe FM' in Miami and "Out 97" in Binghamton, NY made attraction. Not to mention several HD Dance channels like B96 Dance, Party 93.1 HD2, and numerous Internet streams. It's simple for me, you lose one, and then you gain one. If Energy shall RIP, then surely another dance outlet will rise.

 

[oaktree]

WMPH is a good dance station.

It is, however, a limited power high school radio station (Mt. Pleasant High) in Wilmington, DE  Not exactly New York. Or Philly. Or SF. And it's non-commercial, so, it doesn't have to financial difficulties nor the expenses of a signal in New York.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WMPH&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

100 watts and a non-comm.

Good thing you can hear them on the Internet. Better that you can hear Pulse there, too. Now, figure how to monetize it into the biggest dance station in the world. People are listening online. You should be, too ... and bring the sponsors with you.

Good luck.

 

[instigator]

out of all the failed dance stations I'm still surprised Party in Miami didn't make it with their scene and latino population...very surprised

 

[oaktree]

You're right. Absolutely.

 

[TheBigA]

Gorman is a grumpy old man who takes pleasure in dumping cold water on people.

But the fact is that dance is a format that has an audience, but can't attract advertisers. You need both to succeed. They had the same problem in LA with Indie 103. Great station, passionate audience, but not enough listeners to pay the bills.

There is no shortage of musical formats out there. And for every format, there's an audience. But the only formats that can expect to survive are the ones who can attract the money it takes to pay for itself.

All these community groups lining up for LPFMs and donated AMs better make sure they have their finances straight. Because just getting a frequency and an audience doesn't mean you're gonna survive.

 

[nd2023]

Party in Miami was neglected and jockless. Its playlist was not updated for months and played little mainstream music. If it had been the style of Pulse 87, live and local 15 hours a day, new music weekly, it would thrive.

 

[oaktree]

Nick, so, why didn't they hire you to program the place?

Ownership and management can be dumb, but they all aren't stupid. You think they just went in there and said, "No jocks, no mainstream, no sales, no nothing" and expected to win? I think it was a lot deeper than just "format". It came back, again, to money ... and not enough of it. And, unfortunately, not enough audience to merit it.

 

[TonySantiago]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

You hating to throw cold water at our face? NEVER!

Did you read my response on the other board?

 

[TonySantiago]

out of all the failed dance stations I'm still surprised Party in Miami didn't make it with their scene and latino population...very surprised

The reason why Party 93.1 split, from what I remember, is because a rock station had flipped format and Cox wanted to take advantage of that and flipped Party 93.1 to a rock station. Party had the people and decent ratings.

 

[MarcR]

Gorman is a grumpy old man who takes pleasure in dumping cold water on people.

He comes across as eminently sensible to me, unlike the industry sycophants that post on message boards like this.

 

[MarcR]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

You hating to throw cold water at our face? NEVER!

Did you read my response on the other board?

I did read the sentence where you claimed that Pulse would land in the top 5 on a full market signal. If that's so, than why did 'KTU drop current dance from its playlist??!! And why didn't Now-FM flip to a current dance format?? The biggest problem with fanaticism of any kind is that it precludes the ability to think objectively!

 

[nd2023]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

You hating to throw cold water at our face? NEVER!

Did you read my response on the other board?

I did read the sentence where you claimed that Pulse would land in the top 5 on a full market signal. If that's so, than why did 'KTU drop current dance from its playlist??!! And why didn't Now-FM flip to a current dance format?? The biggest problem with fanaticism of any kind is that it precludes the ability to think objectively!

Because the consultants told them that current dance won't work. Mega Media can't afford consultants that would tell them that dance won't work. And dance is working!

 

[davideduardo]

I did read the sentence where you claimed that Pulse would land in the top 5 on a full market signal. If that's so, than why did 'KTU drop current dance from its playlist??!! And why didn't Now-FM flip to a current dance format?? The biggest problem with fanaticism of any kind is that it precludes the ability to think objectively!

Because the consultants told them that current dance won't work. Mega Media can't afford consultants that would tell them that dance won't work. And dance is working!

Consultants don't make that kind of statement. Consultants help stations to research market needs and how well existing stations are filling those needs.

If New York needed a full signaled dance station, it would have one because one of the format searches one of the companies that have stations there would have revealed the void.

It's funny that the research in Chicago and LA and Pnoenix and Dallas and Atlanta and New Orleans and everywhere else reveals the same lack of need.

 

[TheBigA]

It's funny that the research in Chicago and LA and Pnoenix and Dallas and Atlanta and New Orleans and everywhere else reveals the same lack of need.

The bigger issue, as evidenced by this station, is that the format, even when and where popular, doesn't attract enough advertisers to keep it on the air. And that's the bottom line. It's not just about the ratings. Ratings alone doesn't attract advertisers.

 

[davideduardo]

The reason why Party 93.1 split, from what I remember, is because a rock station had flipped format and Cox wanted to take advantage of that and flipped Party 93.1 to a rock station. Party had the people and decent ratings.

Party had rather dreadful ratings, and did nowhere near well enough in 18-34, a demo not bought deeply, to be a success.

In the last year prior to flipping in February of 2005, they were around 20th in 12+ and 9th or 10th in 18-34. In the all important 25-54 numbers, they were 19th. Revenue fell each year, ending up in 2004 below the figure for 2008, which was a recession year.

 

[TonySantiago]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

You hating to throw cold water at our face? NEVER!

Did you read my response on the other board?

I did read the sentence where you claimed that Pulse would land in the top 5 on a full market signal. If that's so, than why did 'KTU drop current dance from its playlist??!! And why didn't Now-FM flip to a current dance format?? The biggest problem with fanaticism of any kind is that it precludes the ability to think objectively!

Dude, get off the "e". Seriously.

All you can do is attack on "fanaticism". I gave you answers as fairly as possible. In fact, I ALWAYS give you an answer every time you pose a question to us "fanatics" but you have NEVER made a reply back until now...and even that you are trying to attack about "objectivity" instead of the real issue. Whenever I post something, I actually DO look at every angle. And if there was something that a person said, if it came off on a "negative" but has a valid point to it and feel that it is true, I would agree.

I can answer your two other questions, but why waste my time? You'll just go on a "fanatic" rampage. In that sense, you won't see objectively. But do I call you a name here? Nope, I think I'm better than that.

Since you're always asking ME the questions, let me throw one on you! Can you at LEAST admit that based on what happened with Pulse, regardless of what you may personally feel about the dance music format, that the dance music community here is actually that strong?

Or perhaps you'll say that 750,000+ people are fanatics too.

And if you don't answer...then to me it just shows that you have a personal agenda here. And I'm sure not going to let you knock down 750,000+ people in the process. Trust me on that pal.

 

[d21ofnj]

I hate to throw cold water in your faces, but you guys should read the latest entry of John Gorman's blog (at www.gormanmediablog.blogspot.com) about the recent fire sale of Energy 92.7 in San Francisco.

You hating to throw cold water at our face? NEVER!

Did you read my response on the other board?

I did read the sentence where you claimed that Pulse would land in the top 5 on a full market signal. If that's so, than why did 'KTU drop current dance from its playlist??!! And why didn't Now-FM flip to a current dance format?? The biggest problem with fanaticism of any kind is that it precludes the ability to think objectively!

Now you gotta remember something, when KTU was heavy on dance, it was back at the time when hip-hop was heavily shoved down our throats, therefore, no one wanted to try something new, until raggaeton came along, and now look what we have served on the dial. At this point, even if KTU DID go heavy on dance,

1. No way in hell would CC let Lite FM or Z100 fall in the numbers.

2. They wanted them "soccer mom" demos, therefore that's what KTU is targeting.

3. The politics don't dare to be different. It doesn't just happen in radio, it happens in general. Why do they have to make radio stations often duplicated, but claim they are often imitated. You have seen some dumb decisions in radio. The biggest that happen in NYC was to flip CBS-FM to JACK. Don't you think that for just one second that these people in the back have to realize that the only reason they are getting their ads and revenue is based on the PEOPLE? Ever occur to you that half the population basically have NO CHOICE but to listen to what's available?

4. The reason why KTU is sticking to their Rhythmic/Disco format is because Jammin 105 and Mix 102.7 is no longer on to compete with them.

Now on to 92.3

1. Do you really think CBS can even make a station to the Top 5? Bad enough their focusing on 101.1 to get back their love from the fans that they really screwed up with JACK.

2. Look how they handled K-Rock.

3. Look at No's 1 & 2.

It would be nice to have Now-FM go all dance, but they can barely handle a CHR. Say if they do go all dance and have the same numbers like Now does, do you realize how much satisfaction all the "haters" are gonna take advantage of the situation. If they were something like Amp Radio in LA, and had a decent amount of dance without repeating the same song WITHIN the hour, then we can expect 92.3 to be on the top.

Let's put it this way, to terms that YOU can understand. Pulse has proved you wrong! From day one, we heard that Pulse is going to die. It does have its bumps, but it is still standing, and these haters know it is still standing. Now tell me why, MarcR, that why Pulse should die, or any dance station is going to die and should never be on terrestrial radio? Is it because that it's TRUE to it's listeners, that it's serving the right crowd on a limited coverage, or is it that you rather see a format that you like to see back, that "has been" on the air since the 90's, but is slowly dying?

 

[JustinCase]

Just out of curosity, how many of you who talk about KTU ever listen to it? I sit here and flip back and forth between a bunch of stations when I'm not on the air and I really don't hear this old tired KTU... reading this board you'd think it was a disco station. I don't hear that and the playlist doesn't show that... It's almost like some of you have bought the Pulse liners "hook LINE and sinker"... I was like may be I'm missing it, so I checked yes.com... Most of it's old stuff is 90's and usually throws back only two or three times an hour... everything else is either current or recurrent... Here's a few sample hours from this week...

8AM
Cascada - What Hurts The Most
Kelly Clarkson - My Life Would Suck Without You
Aaliyah - Try Again
Akon - I Wanna (w/ Snoop Dogg)
Black Eyed Peas - I Got A Feeling
The Cover Girls - Because Of You
Britney Spears - If U Seek Amy
Kevin Lyttle - Turn Me On
David Guetta - When Love Takes Over (w/ Kelly Rowland)
Kanye West - Gold Digger (w/ Jamie Foxx)
Shannon - Let The Music Play
Nicola Fasano vs. Pat Rich - 75 Brazil Street

Noon
Lunchtime Mega Mix w/ Jenny Costa
Kevin Rudolf - Let It Rock (w/ Lil Wayne)
Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam With Full Force - Can You Feel The Beat
September - Cry For You
Rihanna - Disturbia
Livin' Joy - Don't Stop Movin'
Pink - Please Don't Leave Me
Young M.C. - Bust A Move
Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow
Beyonce - Irreplaceable
Usher - Caught Up
Britney Spears - If U Seek Amy

5PM
Chris Brown - Run It!
Pink - Please Don't Leave Me
Kanye West - Heartless
Rihanna - Umbrella (w/ Jay-Z)
Michael Jackson - Rock With You
Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow
Kardinal Offishall - Dangerous (w/ Akon)
Destiny's Child - Lose My Breath
Shakira - Loba
The Pussycat Dolls - Don't Cha

8PM
Katy Perry - Hot N Cold
Kim Sozzi - Feel Your Love
Rihanna - SOS (Rescue Me)
Pink - Who Knew
Nelly - Ride Wit Me (w/ City Spud)
David Guetta - When Love Takes Over (w/ Kelly Rowland)
Britney Spears - If U Seek Amy
Michael Jackson - Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
Flo-Rida - Right Round (w/ Kesha)
Cascada - What Hurts The Most
C&C Music Factory - Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
Guru Josh Project - Infinity
Jennifer Lopez - Let's Get Loud