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AA re-ups with WLIB

Re: More of a stay than a reprieve

> And you are telling me that left wing talk is ideological
> while right wing talk isn't? And how many liberals are
> spending their time with Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly. Not
> a whole lot.

Exactly my point. Both sides are preaching to the choir. As I said before, AA is the same tripe, different ideology.
 
Re: More Personal Attacks

Talk about personal attacks...

Brian Maloney and various other right-wingers have been touting the AAR-WLIB negotiations as another sign that AAR is doomed and have now taken a fall-back position that even though AAR will not lose its lease on WLIB on April 1st it supposedly will happen in the next few months. Mainelli feeds their hopes and dreams by saying:

Either AA has a grace-period clause or a potential subsequent tenant isn't ready to roll yet. I strongly suspect the latter.

That's hardly a "minor clarification."

A good rule of thumb: believe nothing that you read in the New York Post if it has anything remotely to do with politics or what the Post considers to be liberal media. And of course the Mainelli quotes in question weren't even in the Post, but rather on a message board.

And what "attempts to invade someone's privacy?" If somebody (like mwebster/skyeye/whatever screen names he's using now) uses multiple handles on this board, he deserves to be outed.

> Maybe just once you will reply to what somebody actually
> posts rather than resorting to personal attack and pathetic
> attempts to invade someone's privacy.
>
> What was posted was a report from a radio columnist who said
> that the contract on WLIB was extended for five months. I
> saw no praying for Air America to go off the air. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 03/20/06 02:17 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: More Personal Attacks

But you act like you're under attack and start
> hurling abuse and insults because of a minor clarification.
> You are sick.
>
a couple of jerks basically ruined this board this way, well put, it used to be a good one
 
Re: Wounded Doe Routine Returns

> Maybe just once you will reply to what somebody actually
> posts rather than resorting to personal attack and pathetic
> attempts to invade someone's privacy.

Oh pulllease.... Now first, which handle were you before this Neil Sullivan persona. If that is your real name, will you be keeping it awhile?

You must not have been around when mwebster was doing Google searches on me (and managed to bungle that too). I think that historically was the biggest "invasion of privacy" on here, not that I actually cared. I didn't see you on here during that protesting away.

> What was posted was a report from a radio columnist who said
> that the contract on WLIB was extended for five months.

If we're talking about the Unequalizer, he posted that Air America was going OFF WLIB, not extending a contract for five months. That was what people were calling him on... getting it WRONG AGAIN.

> Here somebody posted that the
> contract between WLIB and Air America Radio has been
> renewed. Apparently that was not true. The contract was
> extended.

Oh brother... so "renewed" and "extended" are now completely different things. Have you seen the contract? Does it say "renewal" or "extended" or is it all speculation?

> But you act like you're under attack and start
> hurling abuse and insults because of a minor clarification.
> You are sick.

The wounded doe routine is back in the News-Talk forum. Complain about personal attacks while making personal attacks. Thorn in your paw?

> I have noticed that attacking posters and trying to convince
> people they are really someone else is a tactic you've had
> tried before. Not only are you intolerant of differing
> opinions, you can't stand any information that fits your how
> you want things to be. I have never seen you reply to
> people's arguements - you just make up lies about people.
> Fortunately, other people on this board are able to let
> posters' assertions rise or fall on the merits of the
> arguements they make.

No, I'd say most of us -are- interested in the fly-by-night handle changes around here because it says something about the poster. The courage of their convictions evidently can't even stand up behind a handle, much less a real name. I know I personally discount credibility points from posts from people who clandestinely change handles and then actually do a freak out when they are exposed. There is something really wrong there. Of course, I use my real name and don't intend on changing it.

> I have stayed off this board for a long time because I did
> not want to put up with petty mean-spirited little ______s
> like you. I am sure you are on this board, because if you
> pulled these stunts with real people in the real world,
> somebody would knock you on your ass.

Well, don't let the door hit you on the way back out. You drop a personal attack cookie in here and then you proceed to engage in more personal attacks than any post I've seen in here in weeks. Spare us.

> I will report any such attacks in response to my posts in
> the future. I urge others to do the same. Let's take back
> this board.

Will you be reporting yourself? I love it. It's time for Online Tattletales.
 
Re: More Personal Attacks

> Either AA has a grace-period clause or a potential
> subsequent tenant isn't ready to roll yet. I strongly
> suspect the latter.
>
> That's hardly a "minor clarification."

The whole thing is total speculation. What happened to Baloney's great sources inside AAR? You'd think they would have been on the hotline to Brian informing him of this "shocking" contract renewal. Now he's reduced to simple guesswork. As I've said all along, that's all it has EVER been.

Sources = made up quotes to fit his personal speculation
Proof = a document dump that he hopes you won't read through to discover the emperor has no clothes.
Analysts = himself

> A good rule of thumb: believe nothing that you read in the
> New York Post if it has anything remotely to do with
> politics or what the Post considers to be liberal media. And
> of course the Mainelli quotes in question weren't even in
> the Post, but rather on a message board.

Which means it couldn't even get by what passes for news sourcing at the NY Post. Let's face it. Half of his column about AAR is just reprints of Baloney's speculations.

> And what "attempts to invade someone's privacy?" If
> somebody (like mwebster/skyeye/whatever screen names he's
> using now) uses multiple handles on this board, he deserves
> to be outed.

What's especially ridiculous is why someone using a handle feels the need to use ANOTHER handle. Is it a credibility reset? The delicious irony here of course is he's the same guy who spent an hour with Google trying to research me, which wasn't too hard considering I use my real name and am not scurrying for cover when the lights flick on around here.
 
> Apparently you have little knowledge of NY radio. Percy
> Sutton has owned WLIB since the 70's. He owns it 100% and
> when they bought the station they were able to come up with
> the cash to buy WLIB FM too. That property is now WBLS and
> is also fully owned.

I'm not interested in having a religious argument, but about 10 minutes worth of googling finds that blackenterprise.com has ICBC revenues at $61 in 2005. Another article says that the Sutton family owns about 65% of ICBC. Assume an operating margin of 30% (Clear Channel's is in the upper 20's), figure that there is approximately $18 million a year for debt service, capital spending and profits.

Wikipedia (usually more right than wrong) shows that ICBC recapitalized (i.e. refinanced) in 2004 about $140 million in preferred stock (which is more like debt than equity). At 7% the interest on the $140 million is about $10 million per year.

I may not know a lot about New York radio but I do understand a little about business.

>
> They are multi millionaires, if not billionaires. The
> Suttons don't need the money.
>

See above. Percy Sutton is a cornerstone of the black business and political community. I doubt he's a billionaire.

I tend to believe in the everything is always for sale theory. For the right price, I'm sure that ICBC would sell WLIB and that Salem would sell WMCA or WWDJ.
 
> > Apparently you have little knowledge of NY radio. Percy
> > Sutton has owned WLIB since the 70's. He owns it 100% and
> > when they bought the station they were able to come up
> with
> > the cash to buy WLIB FM too. That property is now WBLS and
>
> > is also fully owned.
>
> I'm not interested in having a religious argument, but about
> 10 minutes worth of googling finds that blackenterprise.com
> has ICBC revenues at $61 in 2005. Another article says that
> the Sutton family owns about 65% of ICBC. Assume an
> operating margin of 30% (Clear Channel's is in the upper
> 20's), figure that there is approximately $18 million a year
> for debt service, capital spending and profits.


Uhhh, Innercity ownes many more stations nationally than just WLIB & WBLS. The entire institution might hold debt but I'd guess that debt is substantially less than the debt held by CC. The same Wikipedia shows that currently Inner City ownes stations in the following markets; New York, NY; San Francisco, CA; Philadelphia, PA; Pittsburgh, PA; Fort Lauderdale; Columbia, SC; and Jackson, MS.
The other holders of Inner City stock are people like Hal Jackson and David Dinkins, as close friends of the Sutton family. WLIB and Air America have signed an extension and are close to signing a contract to continue thier association. Sorry but all those reports of WLIB and AA parting ways were BOGUS.



>
> "I tend to believe in the everything is always for sale
> theory. For the right price, I'm sure that ICBC would sell
> WLIB and that Salem would sell WMCA or WWDJ."

Of course everything is for sale but the price that Sutton would charge for WLIB would far exceed what anyone would be willing to pay for it. Sutton is a long time Democrat activist and Inner City with people like Dinkins on it's board will never do anything to undercut Air America if they can help it.
>
 
Now what's BOGUS?

> WLIB and Air America have signed an extension and
> are close to signing a contract to continue thier
> association. Sorry but all those reports of WLIB and AA
> parting ways were BOGUS.
>

How do you know (1) they "are close to signing a contract to continue thier (sic) association" and (2) that "all those reports of WLIB and AA parting ways were BOGUS?"

IRONY MODE ON
Oh, wait. AAR put out a press release. Press releases always tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. All serious journalists know this to be so.
IRONY MODE OFF

You have set up a straw man to argue against. The reports said the LMA was ending and other parties were interested in the station.

When a contract is up for renewal, parting ways is a possibility - actually in radio parting ways is ALWAYS a possibility whether a contract is up for renewal or not. And there appear to be other parties interested in an "association" with WLIB. It's called "Let's Make A Deal."
 
Facts on AAR: AAR Itself or The Unequalizer

> IRONY MODE ON
> Oh, wait. AAR put out a press release. Press releases
> always tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
> truth. All serious journalists know this to be so.
> IRONY MODE OFF

You missed the irony though. You'd rather have us accept the word of a failed right wing talk show host with a blog about Air America Radio instead of Air America Radio itself. Considering the history of Unequalizer's accusations and what later turned out to be true, the AAR press release easily wins this contest hands down.

> You have set up a straw man to argue against. The reports
> said the LMA was ending and other parties were interested in
> the station.

You have changed the subject. The original discussion here had to do with Baloney's claims that AAR's days were numbered on WLIB thanks to his secret squirrel "sources." He went on The Factor to claim AAR was just days from disappearing in NYC. And once again, he was absolutely wrong. Now it's shiny keys distraction time as he attempts to frost over just how wrong he managed to get another story. And by his changing the subject, so have you.
 
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